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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 11:11 AM
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KARL ROVE polled GOP Caucus on DRAFT! GOP said they would REINSTATE
Edited on Mon Sep-27-04 11:20 AM by Dems Will Win
if Bush asked them to.

From Family Circle July 13
COULD YOUR CHILD BE DRAFTED?

http://www.gjusa.com/news/pressReleaseDetails.jsp?id=4141

-snip-

According to retired U.S. Army Colonel David Hackworth, a military analyst and one of the most decorated officers in the army, the U.S. military is now so shorthanded that a whopping 40 percent of the 135,000 troops being rotated into Iraq are National Guard members and reservists.

-snip-

Both the Pentagon and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld deny that a draft is in the works, yet there are signs to the contrary. For example, last fall, Presidential advisor Karl Rove polled Republican members of Congress on how they felt about he draft. They said they’d support the president. Also, last fall, the Defense Department’s website posted an ad for local Selective Service System board members, and according to the Selective Service Annual Performance Plan for 2004, before next March 31 draft boards must be potentially operational within two and a half months of a return to conscription. Increasingly, members of Congress, including Senator Chuck Hagel (R-NE), are calling for a draft.

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BUSH '04 = DRAFT '05

KERRY '04 = PNAC OUT THE DOOR?

http://blatanttruth.org/draft.php



PRINT THE PDF AND HANG EVERYWHERE: http://somnamblst.tripod.com/draftalert.pdf


Edit - corrected link



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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 11:21 AM
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1. It's funny you just posted this
We just returned from grocery shopping and pinned this very flyer to the message board where everyone walks in.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 11:25 AM
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3. Go AmerDem!
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 11:23 AM
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2. "2 weekends a month my ass"
sign seen on an army truck in Iraq.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 11:26 AM
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4. I have been posting Draft Alert flyers on campus and in African American
Edited on Mon Sep-27-04 11:26 AM by rosebud57
neighborhoods.

The black kids get it. Only some of the white kids do. Drop them off at black barber shops, they are the heart of the community.

To get this AND other really good flyers to post go to

http://somnamblst.tripod.com
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 11:37 AM
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5. Thank you Rosebud57!
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demon67 Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 11:39 AM
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6. Check out Snopes on this one
It suggests it is probably bogus.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 11:49 AM
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7. WRONG!!!! Snopes debunks the RANGEL PROTEST DRAFT BILL
Edited on Mon Sep-27-04 12:26 PM by Dems Will Win
and the Adam Stutz e-mail, which is inaccurate.

I, demon67, am DEMS WILL WIN. I am accurate!

THIS IS NEW!!!!!!!!!!!!

See below:

Don't be confused by the Rangel DRAFT PROTEST BILL and the new BUSH SKILLS AND COMBAT DRAFT ACTIVITY that I've been reporting on. It's easy to get mixed up because both would draft women and both would expand the age up to 34 from 25. BUT Rangel's bill is a protest bill and hasn't a PRAYER of passing because it DRAFTS WOMEN for COMBAT.

The GOP hates that idea. Rangel proposed it because he knew it wouldn't pass but it would make it

The NEW BUSH SKILLS DRAFT would only DRAFT women for NON-COMBAT skills job.

They are two different animals.

The SSS secret Issue Paper which was an agenda for a 2003 top-level meeting between the head of the SSS and Deputy Undersecretary Abell in charge of Personnel and Readiness of the DoD, see: http://www.blatanttruth.org/selective_service091304.pdf

It's important that we not mix these up.

Here are the differences between the RANGEL PROTEST BILL and the secretive behind-the-scenes activity at the SSS and the DoD to ready not only a BUSH COMBAT DRAFT in 2005 but also a BUSH SKILLS DRAFT and BUSH MEDICAL DRAFT in 2006 or sooner.

RANGEL PROTEST BILL


  1. Would replace current draft legislation drafting only men for combat, retaining current exemptions such a high school and Conscientious Objector status

  2. Drafts Women for combat as well as men, ages 18-34

  3. Does not draft for skills, combat draft only



ACTUAL BUSH SSS ACTIVITY TOWARD A 2005 DRAFT


  1. Could draft MEN ONLY for combat, 18-25 (Current law)

  2. "Groundwork being laid" (SSS Spokesman Amon) for a NON-COMBAT SKILLS DRAFT, men and women age 18-34. 2-year process to gear up SKILLS DRAFT started nearly 2 YEARS AGO in Feb. 2003, meaning a skills draft would be ready in 2005. (a new law wuold be passed if Bush gets back in)

  3. The MEDICAL DRAFT registration data collection is also going to be readied for operational use in 2005 by using the SKILLS DRAFT work they've done and make the reg card you'd fill out at the Post Office contain all the listed medical skills. This means the Medical draft would be ready in 2005, men and women age 20-44. (This draft like the current combat draft for men 18-25, is already the law of the land)

  4. The secret http://www.blatanttruth.org/selective_service091304.pdf>Issue Paper actually proposes being able to call a SKILLS and MEDICAL DRAFT WITHOUT calling a combat draft.


The biggest difference of course is that the RANGEL PROTEST BILL will NEVER happen and the NEW BUSH DRAFT has already begun gearing up for 2005.

SKILLS DRAFT AND NEW COMBAT DRAFT TIMELINE

Feb. 11 2003 - Top-level meeting between the head of the SSS and Deputy Undersecretary Abell in charge of Personnel and Readiness of the DoD on the SKILLS DRAFT. This is the meeting of the secret Issue Paper, revealed by the Freedom of Information Act in May. The SSS goes back encouraged enough to do some more planning.

Summer 2003 - Drive to start filling DRAFT BOARD vacancies by asking current board members to find new ones.

Fall 2003 - Republicans in Congress tell Rove in SECRET POLL they would reinstate DRAFT if Bush asks them to. DoD announces critical skills shortages in linguists, computer experts and engineers. SSS Director Brodsky orders the designing of the SKILLS DRAFT procedures, the reg card and the massive database needed to track every young American under 35 and their skills. Brodsky, who "plays" JE McNeil and other anti-draft leaders by calling them regularly and shmoozing them, lies to McNeil telling her that in February of 2003 the SSS had to "justify their existence" before a hostile committee--when in reality the SSS and DOD were having the SKILLS DRAFT meeting and he himself had just started designing the new system and making it his top priority.

Sept 2003 - Draft board recruitment ad goes up on Web.

November 2003 - Draft board ad scrubbed!

Dec. 2003 - Brodsky announces the SKILLS DRAFT to be the "top priority' of the SSS in newsletter and tells of rapid progress to come.

March 13, 2004 - Word of SKILLS DRAFT leaks out in a SF Chronicle story and the SSS admits it and tells reporters it’s just a planning contingency. In an attempt to throw the press off, the SSS also says it would take 2 years to gear up and work out the kinks for the SKILLS DRAFT and that there is no funding for it. Eric Rosenberg, the reporter on the story, finds out about the Feb. 11 meeting Issue Paper and files a Freedom of Information Act request to get it.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/03/13/MNG905K1BC1.DTL


May 1, 2004 – Article on SKILLS DRAFT leaves out key points of how skills conscription would be expanded to fill labor shortages throughout Dept of Homeland Security, 1/3 of government, how the SKILLS DRAFT can be called without a combat draft, how SKILLS INDUCTEES will be inducted within a mere 90 days of reauthorization, that the SSS wanted to “promptly” change the very MISSION of the SSS and so on. The article does, however, reveal many major point of sweeping plan. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/171522_draft01.html

Sept 13, 2004 – Issue Paper agenda memo of key Feb 2003 meeting posted on the Web at http://www.blatanttruth.org/selective_service091304.pdf sample:
"while a conventional draft may never be needed, a draft of men and women possessing these critical skills may be warranted in a future crisis if too few volunteer."

2004 – MOCK DRAFT LOTTERY HELD, SAMPLE MEDICAL EXAM REPORT ORDERS ISSUED TO MAIL LIST. Alternative Service geared up for first time in 31 years! Papers to place Conscientious Objectors with employers actually drawn up. SSS brought up to 95% operational capability, full Medical draft capability set for 2005, all DRAFT BOARD vacancies filled by Spring 2005! On March 31, 2005, the SSS Director must report to the Congress that the entire system is primed and ready to open 2,000 draft board offices and start inducting within 75 days, or June 15, 2005.

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demon67 Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 11:57 AM
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8. Thanks for clarifying
Question - does any kind of draft require congressional approval?
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 12:24 PM
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9. Yes, that's why Rove was polling the GOP members of Congress
Edited on Mon Sep-27-04 12:26 PM by Dems Will Win
on the DRAFT. Just checking to make sure they are all in line.

The new Skills Draft would require a new law, but the Combat Draft for 18-25 year old men merely needs a "trigger resolution", a 1 pager, to reinstate. The Medical Draft for 20-44, m/f, would be automatically activated with the combat draft trigger resolution.
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cheshire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 09:12 PM
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14. So president don't just go willy nilly and act like dictators. OH to late.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 01:04 PM
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10. Did they poll them to see if they wanted their kids to go?
November 11, 2003
Veterans Day facts and figures


Number of veterans in the Untied States and Puerto Rico: 26,403,703

Percentage of veterans living in poverty: 5.6 percent (1.48 million)

Percentage of veterans that are disabled: 29.1 percent (7.68 million)

Percentage of all Americans that are disabled: 19.3 percent

Number of homeless veterans on any given night: 299,321

Number of veterans who are homeless at any point during a year: 500,000 3


The Veterans Administration

Backlog for a veteran waiting to make his or her first appointment at a Department of Veterans Affairs facility: six months

Number of veterans waiting: 200,000

How the VA plans to handle that problem: Limit enrollment


Gulf War veterans

Number of Gulf War veterans: 3,467,648

Number of Gulf War veterans on medical disability: 221,000

Number of Gulf War veterans seeking medical disability status from the VA: 51,000

Number of Gulf War veterans with Gulf War Syndrome: 250,000

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Congress and the use of force in Iraq

Number of U.S. Congressmen and Senators: 535

Number of U.S. Congressmen and Senators with children in the military: 1

Number of U.S. Congressmen and Senators voting in favor of authorizing the President to use military force against Iraq: 373
(snip)
http://www.zacheverson.com/Op-Ed/National/veterans_day_facts_figures.ht
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Borgnine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 01:06 PM
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11. Hah.
I just got done distributing the flier at the local college campus and shopping mall.
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 01:08 PM
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12. Dems will win! contact me please. thanks
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 09:04 PM
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13. KICK
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