Someone needs to define Kerry's position on Iraq...

[Dawgs]

Because if we can't agree amongst ourselves then how are the undecideds and swing voters going to agree.

Here are my thoughts. I am sure someone can come up with something better.

On "World is safer without Saddam"
Kerry initially said that the world was safer without Saddam. He still agrees with this statement, just not at the cost of Bush's war(200 billion, 1000's of lives, no WMDS, no Al-Qaeda connection). He stated this in his speech at NYU earlier this week.

On Kerry's flip-flopping positions. Said "he would voted for it, before voting against it"
Kerry NEVER voted for the war. Kerry initially trusted Bush and voted for the effort to disarm Saddam peacefully. He voted to only use power as a last resort. Bush ignored Kerry and others and took us to war as a first resort. Bush then screwed it up so bad that now many believe Kerry has changed his position.

Please let me know what you think.

[AIJ Alom]

1. Would it have hurted to have waited ?

19 Months after the start of the Iraq War, we are still there.

Would it have hurt to have waited to fully arm all our troops with the body armor and armored humvees they needed ? Would it have hurt to have waited to let the United Nations Arms inspectors finish their work ? Would it have hurt to have waited to bring more allies to our side ? Would it have hurt to have waited to plan for the occupation of Iraq ?

[Festivito]

6. Are we better off without Saddam WITH THIS WAR?

It's like we tried to remove a corn with an unplanned random stabbing of our own foot.

Israel is better off without Saddam, IF IT WAS NOT FOR THIS WAR. Will the next Iraq regime love Israel, or be even less against it than Saddam? Maybe. More likely, fanaticism will rule Iraq if we cannot conquer Iraq by election time.

Fine, Saddam is in jail. But the cost has been worse than if Saddam had lived in power until he was over 200 years old.

What if you hired a company to remove a bee hive from inside your house and did $50,000 in damages killing two of your family members. Are you better off without the bees?

[The_Counsel]

2. Um... KERRY Is "Defining Kerry's Position on Iraq..."

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[bookman]

3. Kerry on Iraq

Here you’ll find the truth about John Kerry's consistent position on the Iraq war. John Kerry hasn't been flip-flopping.



George Bush just hasn't been listening.







http://www.kerryoniraqwar.com/

[goodhue]

4. see here

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0920.html

and here

http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/kerry_leads_bush_follows.pdf

and here

http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/plan_to_win_the_peace_in_iraq.pdf

[Dawgs]

5. You guys really need to read posts before repsonding...

My point is that everyday I see DU'rs saying that Kerry supported the war and the ousting of Saddam. I don't believe that to be true.

[sonicx]

7. he supports the war because we have to finish it

but he doesn't support the way it happened(skipping UN and weapons inspections)

and he's said about saddam that we're better off without him, but the mess in iraq is what we get in exchange. and that weaponless saddam could have been handled in other ways besides putting thousands of troops' lives on the line.

[mzmolly]

8. Good replies.

:hi:

On question #1. I always toss in "we'd be safer with Osama Bin Laden in custody."

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[ClassWarrior]

9. On the $87 billion...

Senator Kerry: "The $87 billion for the troops was never in question. Of course we were going to give them what they need.

"The question was how to pay for it. I wanted to pay for it by making a loan to Iraq and by repealing Mr. Bush*'s tax cut for the ultra wealthy. That’s the bill I voted FOR. Mr. Bush* wanted to pay for that $87 billion with the hard-earned tax dollars of average Americans. That’s the bill I voted AGAINST.

"But the real question is why did George W. Bush* send our brave troops into a war without body armor in the first place??! And why hasn’t he given it to them yet?!?"

23.

[sandnsea]

15. Why doesn't the media report it?

Annoys the piss out of me. And people on this board know full well what he's said and for whatever twisted reason, prefer to ignore it to further their own political agenda.

[ClassWarrior]

10. kick

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

11. He needs to take a firm stand against the war and the occupation.

His vote for the IWR is still biting him in the ass. He needs to renounce it and take it off the table. The "I would still vote for it" rhetoric is killing him.

He needs to come up with a realistic plan to get out of Iraq instead of making idiotic statements about "winning" an unwinnable war.

The war in Iraq is the issue where Bush is most vulnerable and Kerry is getting trumped at every turn because he's still trying to defend his vote and appear "strong on defense".

[sandnsea]

14. Only to total idiots

I can't believe how many there are. I can't believe how many who are supposed to be fighting Bush and hate the media lies, turn around and repeat media lies. He didn't say he'd vote for the war, he said he'd vote to give Bush the authority to deal with Saddam because Saddam needed to be dealt with. That doesn't mean a unilateral rush to war, which he has said so many times I imagine he's getting sick of saying it. We can't get out of Iraq and let the country become a terrorist haven, it is just not an option. The only hope is changing the atmosphere by engaging the region and the world in the outcome in Iraq. Kerry would do that, Bush won't because he wants to turn it into a US base in the middle east.

You can think whatever you want about the war. But don't put words in Kerry's mouth to futher your own agenda.

[WiseMen]

12. JK: Undecideds Operate at a 5th grade level, esp. those in the Media

So make it simpler, and repeat over and over the same thing.

Put up charts and posters.

Repeat the difference between your:

1. Support for Authorization of Force to get U.N.
WMD inspections

AND

2. Opposition to the preemptive and premature INVASION before
inspections were completed and without U.N. approval.

Repeat that Osama bin Laden and 9-11 had nothing to do with Sadaam Hussein and Iraq.

Repeat that there were ways of getting rid of Sadaam other
that sacrificing 1000 U.S. lives and ten's of thousands of
Iraqi lives.

[knowbody0]

13. kerry's position on iraq

the major problem with a position on iraq is that the position IN iraq is whatever occurs between now and then. bush exploits the lives of the puppies on the ground which stirs the heart. kerry must think first of his brothers in arms. it is most difficult and catch 22. however, it is not difficult to point out the misinformation of this administration and its lack of support for kids on the ground

[n2mark]

16. Kerry and Iraq

Are you living in Neverland? I have no problem with Kerry's position with Iraq? You either can't hear, read or see! His position is clear to me.