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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:28 PM
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Murdoch Says Fox Would Have Been 'Crucified' for CBS Mistake
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000639628

NEW YORK -- Rupert Murdoch makes no bones about what he thinks of the CBS Rathergate fallout, hinting that his Fox News network would have gotten slammed worse. "If it had been us, we would have been crucified," he told E&P during Tuesday night's party at New York's Four Seasons restaurant celebrating the return of Parade magazine in Murdoch's New York Post. "All of the traditional media is against us."

Murdoch went on to differentiate his news empire, which includes the Fox News Channel and dozens of other media outlets, with most U.S. news organizations. "The traditional media in this country is in tune with the elite, not the people," he said while holding court at the gathering. "That is why we're not liked by the traditional media. That's not us."

The collective media muscle in the room, however, was thick enough to choke an FCC chairman, with both Murdoch and his son, Post publisher Lachlan Murdoch, hosting, along with Donald and S.I. Newhouse (the braintrust of Advance Publications, owners of Parade) and a laundry list of major newspaper and magazine properties. Although President Bush was staying at the nearby Waldorf-Astoria Hotel, some speculated that this location held more real power to influence America.

Many who attended the high-profile gathering in a private room decorated with enlarged covers of Parade and the Post aimed criticism at Dan Rather. In between bites of shrimp and pate, and open-bar libations, they weighed in on Rather's most public of journalistic offenses, with some decidedly opposing viewpoints.

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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:29 PM
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1. Oh please...
They were all over the Kerry/intern story and I doubt they ever apologized.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:29 PM
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4. And I cannot count how many times
They said WMDs were found in Iraq.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 06:13 AM
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24. FOX reported Clinton had a baby with a prostitute while he was president.
And they never apologized for it and noone was fired.

Besides, Rupie, the facts contained in those documents were STILL true and the Bushies have yet to come up with the missing documents from that time.
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LisaLynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:29 PM
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Take off the tinfoil hat, Rupert. nt
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 09:43 AM
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34. LOL! Can you imagine the parents that named him Rupert?
Hey Ma, let's call the little bugger Rupert!

:eyes:
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:29 PM
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2. Shut the fuck up...RUPERT.
Your organizations lies on a daily basis. Every day you're in business is another day that America falls just a little.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:29 PM
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3. Crucifying Murdoch---an idea whose time has come!
I've got nails if anybody's got wood!
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randr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:30 PM
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5. They are essentially getting away with the same
shit everyday they fail to acknowledge the Nigerian forgeries and let * get away with equating Sadam with 9/11.
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:30 PM
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6. Fox should be crudified for just being a band of dumbasses!!
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:31 PM
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9. Oops! The word is crucified, not crudified!!
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LisaLynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:33 PM
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11. I like crudified!
They do that to themselves every day. :)
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:31 PM
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7. Rupert is on drugs - yeah, slammed but nobody would care because
Edited on Thu Sep-23-04 11:32 PM by Mr_Spock
Fox is Faux news. Everybody knows there is no real news reported on that channel so ultimately they would be slammed by liberals and it would amount to nothing as the entertainment seeking Republican child-like morons would enjoy the story and move-on.
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:31 PM
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8. Notice how Rupert says he's not elite
While eating pate at the Four Seasons.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:33 PM
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10. Was he drunk throughout the entire last decade?
And when he says "elite" he means bi-peds with any sense of history.
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Liberal Gramma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:42 PM
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12. Oh, puleeeze, Rupert!
Fox has never apologized. That is not to say it has never reported a false story. The difference is that CBS is a respectable network.
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GettysbergII Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:43 PM
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13. #11 in the Top 25 Censored News Stories is........(drum roll)...i
http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2005/11.html

(#11) The Media Can Legally Lie


CMW REPORT, Spring 2003
Title: “Court Ruled That Media Can Legally Lie”
Author: Liane Casten

ORGANIC CONSUMER ASSOCIATION, March 7, 2004
Title: "Florida Appeals Court Orders Akre-Wilson Must Pay Trial Costs for $24.3 Billion Fox Television; Couple Warns Journalists of Danger to Free Speech, Whistle Blower Protection"
Author Not Listed

Faculty Evaluator: Liz Burch, Ph.D.
Student Researcher: Sara Brunner


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

In February 2003, a Florida Court of Appeals unanimously agreed with an assertion by FOX News that there is no rule against distorting or falsifying the news in the United States.

Back in December of 1996, Jane Akre and her husband, Steve Wilson, were hired by FOX as a part of the Fox “Investigators” team at WTVT in Tampa Bay, Florida. In 1997 the team began work on a story about bovine growth hormone (BGH), a controversial substance manufactured by Monsanto Corporation. The couple produced a four-part series revealing that there were many health risks related to BGH and that Florida supermarket chains did little to avoid selling milk from cows treated with the hormone, despite assuring customers otherwise.

According to Akre and Wilson, the station was initially very excited about the series. But within a week, Fox executives and their attorneys wanted the reporters to use statements from Monsanto representatives that the reporters knew were false and to make other revisions to the story that were in direct conflict with the facts. Fox editors then tried to force Akre and Wilson to continue to produce the distorted story. When they refused and threatened to report Fox's actions to the FCC, they were both fired.(Project Censored #12 1997)

Akre and Wilson sued the Fox station and on August 18, 2000, a Florida jury unanimously decided that Akre was wrongfully fired by Fox Television when she refused to broadcast (in the jury's words) “a false, distorted or slanted story” about the widespread use of BGH in dairy cows. They further maintained that she deserved protection under Florida's whistle blower law. Akre was awarded a $425,000 settlement. Inexplicably, however, the court decided that Steve Wilson, her partner in the case, was ruled not wronged by the same actions taken by FOX.

FOX appealed the case, and on February 14, 2003 the Florida Second District Court of Appeals unanimously overturned the settlement awarded to Akre. The Court held that Akre’s threat to report the station’s actions to the FCC did not deserve protection under Florida’s whistle blower statute, because Florida’s whistle blower law states that an employer must violate an adopted “law, rule, or regulation." In a stunningly narrow interpretation of FCC rules, the Florida Appeals court claimed that the FCC policy against falsification of the news does not rise to the level of a "law, rule, or regulation," it was simply a "policy." Therefore, it is up to the station whether or not it wants to report honestly.

During their appeal, FOX asserted that there are no written rules against distorting news in the media. They argued that, under the First Amendment, broadcasters have the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on public airwaves. Fox attorneys did not dispute Akre’s claim that they pressured her to broadcast a false story, they simply maintained that it was their right to do so. After the appeal verdict WTVT general manager Bob Linger commented, “It’s vindication for WTVT, and we’re very pleased… It’s the case we’ve been making for two years. She never had a legal claim.”

UPDATE BY LIANE CASTEN: If we needed any more proof that we now live in an upside down world, the saga of Jane Akre, along with her husband, Steve Wilson, could not be more compelling.

Akre and Wilson won the first legal round. Akre was awarded $425,000 in a jury trial with well-crafted arguments for their wrongful termination as whistleblowers. And in the process, they also won the prestigious “Goldman Environmental” prize for their outstanding efforts. However, FOX turned around and appealed the verdict. This time, FOX won; the original verdict was overturned in the Appellate Court of Florida’s Second District. The court implied there was no restriction against distorting the truth. Technically, there was no violation of the news distortion because the FCC’s policy of news distortion does not have the weight of the law. Thus, said the court, Akre-Wilson never qualified as whistleblowers.

What is more appalling are the five major media outlets that filed briefs of Amici Curiae- or friend of FOX – to support FOX’s position: Belo Corporation, Cox Television, Inc., Gannett Co., Inc., Media General Operations, Inc., and Post-Newsweek Stations, Inc. These are major media players! Their statement, “The station argued that it simply wanted to ensure that a news story about a scientific controversy regarding a commercial product was present with fairness and balance, and to ensure that it had a sound defense to any potential defamation claim.”

“Fairness and balance?” Monsanto hardly demonstrated “fairness and balance” when it threatened a lawsuit and demanded the elimination of important, verifiable information!

The Amici position was “If upheld by this court, the decision would convert personnel actions arising from disagreements over editorial policy into litigation battles in which state courts would interpret and apply federal policies that raise significant and delicate constitutional and statutory issues.” After all, Amici argued, 40 states now have Whistleblower laws, imagine what would happen if employees in those 40 states followed the same course of action?

The position implies that First Amendment rights belong to the employers – in this case the five power media groups. And when convenient, the First Amendment becomes a broad shield to hide behind. Let’s not forget, however; the airwaves belong to the people. Is there no public interest left—while these media giants make their private fortunes using the public airwaves? Can corporations have the power to influence the media reporting, even at the expense of the truth? Apparently so.

In addition, the five “friends” referred to FCC policies. The five admit they are “vitally interested in the outcome of this appeal, which will determine the extent to which state whistleblower laws may incorporate federal policies that touch on sensitive questions of editorial judgment.”

Anyone concerned with media must hear the alarm bells. The Bush FCC, under Michael Powell’s leadership, has shown repeatedly that greater media consolidation is encouraged, that liars like Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter are perfectly acceptable, that to refer to the FCC interpretation of “editorial judgment” is to potentially throw out any pretense at editorial accuracy if the “accuracy” harms a large corporation and its bottom line. This is our “Brave New Media”, the corporate media that protects its friends and now lies, unchallenged if need be.

The next assault: the Fox station then filed a series of motions in a Tampa Circuit Court seeking more than $1.7 million in trial fees and costs from both Akre and Wilson. The motions were filed on March 30 and April 16 by Fox attorney, William McDaniels—who bills his client at $525 to $550 an hour. The costs are to cover legal fees and trial costs incurred by FOX in defending itself at the first trial. The issue may be heard by the original trial judge, Ralph Steinberg—a logical step in the whole process. However, Judge Steinberg must come out of retirement if he is to hear this, so the hearing, set for June 1, may go to a new judge, Judge Maye.

Akre and her husband feel the stress. “There is no justification for the five stations not to support us,” she said. “Attaching legal fees to whistleblowers is unprecedented, absurd. The ‘business’ of broadcasting trumps it all. These news organizations must ensure they are worthy of the public trust while they use OUR airwaves, free of charge. Public trust is alarmingly absent here.”

Indeed. This is what our corporate media, led by such as Rupert Murdoch, have come to. How low we have fallen.

Jane Akre and be reached at: jakre@bellsouth.net.

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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 09:06 AM
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28. Hi GettysbergII!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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mairceridwen Donating Member (596 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:48 PM
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14. actually...
Edited on Thu Sep-23-04 11:49 PM by mairceridwen
he and FOX would have been royally beaten into a pulp had they pulled *that* stunt

because they would have dared to step out of their RW box

so he's kind of right

fucker.
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cyr330 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:56 PM
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15. gimme a fucking break
Fox News lies every day, and they KNOW they're lying. CBS made one mistake, and let's not forget that the documents were true IN CONTENT. Fox never gets called down for their lies, and I'm so fucking sick of their hypocrisy. Of course they're no different from Congressional Repukes.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 12:19 AM
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16. Umm = do the Swift Boat Liars ring a bell you fucking criminal?
Unbelieveable!
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JSJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 12:23 AM
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17. fuck you, ruprick nt
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A_Possum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 12:25 AM
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18. Waa waaa waaa
What a baby.

Dan Rather is ten times the man and has ten times the honor that anybody related to faux could ever have.

You're not liked by anyone who doesn't like you, silly Murdoch. And that's a lot of people. Ewwww.
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 12:55 AM
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19. He makes a mistake like that 100 times a day
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 05:18 AM
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20. He forgets that 70% of people who have misconceptions
about Iraq, such as WMD's already being found, Al Qaida ties, etc. use Fox as their primary news source.

So of the people who think Saddam was directly involved in 9/11, 70% of them use Fox as their primary news source. That means they're spraying more fertilizer than a rancher during planting season.

I'd have to do some searching to find that report again, but the vast majority of people that believe outright LIES are Fox viewers.
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billybob537 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 09:45 AM
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36. That report is at Outfoxed.com
where you can by the dvd/video.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 05:33 AM
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21. Uhh.... don't they lie daily?
So, I fail to see how they would have been crucified.

If Faux got caught reporting on forged documents, two things would happen:

The right would defend Faux News to the death, saying how they are the only fair voice in the liberal media.

and

The left would yawn. I mean, big deal, Faux News is biased. Also, the sun will rise today. No suprises here.
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phish420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 05:40 AM
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22. No, they SHOULD have been crucified for...
attacking Clinton when Clinton was trying to protect us from terrorism
Defending the Swift Boat Vets for Lies
Day in Day out lies and distortions
Their unapologetic bias
but most of all, they should be crucified for BILL OLIELLY
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TheWebHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 05:46 AM
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23. not only Faux
but this is the same guy that controls News of the World, The London Sun, and The New York Post... I seem to remember no heads rolling for the Post's front page Kerry picks Gephardt for VP story - when Murdoch himself was the alleged source.
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Clinton Crusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 06:39 AM
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25. he should be crucified for crimes against humanity and LIVING nt
:kick:
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 06:43 AM
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26. Why? Faux is never crucified for the OTHER lies they tell...(n/t)
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Shopaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 07:46 AM
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27. I want some of whatever ole' Rupie is smoking--
but here's the thing about Murdoch and the right-wing media--they very successfully cast themselves as the outcast--the outsiders when in fact, they are the frigging establishment. Just as they cast themselves as being in the minority when they RULE the news industry in this country today. It's mystifying to me how they manage to dupe the average American but then again, they've been drinking the * kool-aid for the past four years and believe what he's been selling them.
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 09:08 AM
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29. Someone should throw Murdick on the "barby"
Watch the fascist fuck sizzle away!
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 09:08 AM
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30. They are just pissed becuase other "NEWS" networks
are selling fiction as fact.
They have the rights to that because they created it.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 09:13 AM
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31. Fox does it all the time
Remember Chandra Levy 24/7? Condit the murderer?
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mbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 09:36 AM
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32. Indirectly they will be when pro-Dan Rather people start cancelling
their cable subscriptions. It's time to put our money muscle to good use for our country!
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sherilocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 09:42 AM
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33. Robert Murdoch whining into his pate, shrimp and booze.
What a sight.
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 09:43 AM
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35. Uh huh
Edited on Fri Sep-24-04 09:49 AM by RatTerrier
I was flipping past FAUX last night, and who do I see? Ms. Responsible Journalist herself Ann KKKoulter. And they were spinning a bunch of polls that showed Bush in some ridiculous leads (12 points in Nevada???).

Don't forget all the Clinton stuff, or the Kerry intern thing that couldn't be proven. Or the weeks and weeks of Swift Liars.

AND... a war in Iraq started due to (drum roll please) forged documents.

The whole CBS controversy is a crock of shit. Granted, CBS should have either waited on the story or gone ahead without the questionable documents (until properly verified). But the networks that are criticizing CBS get away with far more ridiculous stuff. They report vague rumors straight off Drudge, fer cyin' out loud! BUt the other networks are only criticizing CBS because of rivalry issues. Quite an opportunity to jab at a rival, right?

CBS and Dan Rather have long been the epitomy of TV news quality in this country. And the fact that they take many chances heighten the possiblity of an occasional gaffe. Woodward and Bernstein from the Washington Post did a lot of the same stuff that Rather and the folks at CBS did. Actually, they did it on a grander scale, with anonymous sources and a little bit of guessing. Thing is, they got it right.

I salute a network that actually takes chances and goes out to actually investigate news rather than read straight off RNC faxes and hold sway with a bunch of talking head pundits. That isn't news, that's infotainment! And FOX is the biggest fraud of a news outfit there is.
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sherilocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 10:00 AM
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37. speaking of KKKoulter
I heard a great song on the radio called "Anne Coulter is a Slut", but I can't find it anywhere to download, not that I'm any good at the song stuff yet. But if anyone has a link????
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