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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 11:03 AM
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What is a Democrat?
The party that I grew up in stood up to social injustices, protected a womans right to choose, was against unjust wars, just to name a few.

I am sorry to say I don't see this this in todays Democrat.

I just want to take my ball and go home, but unfortunately todays Democrat has stolen my ball and given it to the Repukes.

DAMN IT I WANT MY PARTY BACK!

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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 11:15 AM
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1. The party I grew up with has never been all that liberal.
The Dems I grew up with have been more centrists then liberals. Bill Clinton was the first President I legally could vote for.
The party shifted further to the center and right to win in 1992. I think it stayed there and has not changed much since then.
In fact, it has gotten worse.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 01:17 PM
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21. That would be the OP's point.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 11:16 AM
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2. A member of a very dysfunctional political party.
Will Rogers was correct.

:D
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 11:19 AM
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4. I have missed you.
:hug: :hi:
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 11:20 AM
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5. Hi!!!!
Hugs for you too.

:hug:
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 11:18 AM
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3. Here you go...
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 11:20 AM
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6. Apparently, it's this:
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 11:27 AM
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7. Silicone breast implants? .....Oh....I get it. Nevermind.
Edited on Tue Nov-10-09 11:27 AM by Armstead
Just kidding. I knew they were jellyfish.....
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Kdillard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 11:36 AM
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8. No President or party that I can think of has ever been perfect.
They are going to cause you disappointment. I also think you are engaging in melodramatic hperbole.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 11:40 AM
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9. The Party now is best described as Republican Lite.
At one time the Party did a better job of protecting
the Working Class and Poor.

Not to flame, but if we are honest the DLC and Blue Dogs
have changed the face of the party. Now they look out
for Corporate and Business Interests.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 11:51 AM
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12. We can thank former DLC Chair/Golden Boy Bill Clinton for the rise of the corporate DLC in the party
Edited on Tue Nov-10-09 12:01 PM by ClarkUSA
He passed DADT, DOMA, NAFTA, cheered on Bush's Iraq war from the sidelines early on (and then lied about it), deregulated the media/Wall Street, fucked up Somalia, missed getting bin Laden when there was a clear shot and "reformed" welfare to GOP satisfaction. He is the DLC's biggest success and biggest fundraiser and put to death a retarded man so he could say he was "tough on crime".

Yeah, Bubba has been a real hero to the masses in his time.


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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 11:57 AM
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14. +1
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 01:43 PM
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25. Thank the gods that things are so much better now!
General Clark saved us all.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 11:41 AM
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10. Dems throw crumbs to pigeons in the park when they feel like it. Repubs shoot the birds. nt
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 12:11 PM
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19. Not quite accurate. Republicans shoot the birds; Democrats shoot the birds and then
Edited on Tue Nov-10-09 12:11 PM by salguine
tell them they would have been much worse off if a Republican had shot them.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 11:43 AM
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11. I remember a party which included a faction opposed to civil rights legislation...
Edited on Tue Nov-10-09 11:44 AM by Clio the Leo
.... well, I dont REMEMBER that, but I am infinitely familiar with that time.

The party has never been united and never will be, we're Democrats, argue is what we do. :)
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 11:52 AM
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13. I felt the same way after the IWR vote when many craven Dems caved to political expediency. nt
Edited on Tue Nov-10-09 11:56 AM by ClarkUSA
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 11:59 AM
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15. "Was against unjust wars."
Edited on Tue Nov-10-09 12:00 PM by geek tragedy
I take it you were born after the LBJ administration.

FDR created racist concentration camps, and the Democrats were the party of segregation until Truman.

They didn't even bother to care about GLBT Americans until the Clinton administration.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 01:25 PM
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23. Nice try, but FDR was a savior to the poor.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 01:56 PM
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26. He also did nothing to end Jim Crow and created racist concentration camps.
The two, sadly, are not mutually exclusive.
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 12:02 PM
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16. Either we gain control of the party are begin to build a progressive third party
from the bottom up starting with local elections, like school superintendant, city council, and mayor. From their work up to county controller, country superintendant. From there work up to state legislator, state senate, and governor, From there go into U.S. congress and U.S senate. From there President. This could take 10-20 years, but it will be worth it.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 12:05 PM
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17. "against unjust wars" Truman...Korea. LBJ...Vietnam
Edited on Tue Nov-10-09 12:08 PM by SemiCharmedQuark
So you must have grown up with Roosevelt. He stood up to social injustice, providing you weren't Japanese. So prior to Roosevelt was Wilson-A white supremacist. And if you're older than that...well...I guess there's Grover Cleveland.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 01:23 PM
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22. The Korean conflict was first approved by the UN against the aggression of N. Korea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War

As for VietNam: At least LBJ had the character not to run for re-election in 1968. The Nixon Administration owns the major escalation (Cf. "Cambodia, Illegal Invasion of") and extension of this Conflict.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 12:07 PM
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18. DK is a Democrat.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 12:16 PM
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20. The party is not yours to "have back."
Furthermore, the party you grew up in backed Vietnam and Korea and continued both. The party you grew up in took nearly 150 years to support women's rights. The party you grew up in took about 100 years to afford rights to african americans after slavery ended. I don't think you grew up in the party you think you did.
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JohnnyBoots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 01:36 PM
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24. Extinct.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 02:20 PM
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27. A doormat by choice.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 02:26 PM
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28. These days it's a corporate party that embraces religious fanatics...
It's either time to take back the party - or start a new progressive party that actually cares about civil rights, peace and saving the planet.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 02:38 PM
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29. It's amazing there is no rec on this subject
are we becoming less irrelevant as Democrats on this board? :wow:
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