Nancy Pelois consulted with a Catholic cardinal in Rome on anti-abortion amendment!

[Better Believe It]

So we need Rome's approval for any health care legislation we might pass?




For healthcare bill, Pelosi had to leave Left Coast behind
The House speaker built a majority one compromise at a time, yielding on liberal touchstones including abortion
By Faye Fiore and Richard Simon
November 9, 2009

Excerpt:

Earlier, Democrats -- who had included what they considered a strict ban in their original proposals -- thought they could work out a modest compromise. But when that effort failed, Pelosi gave way.

She summoned antiabortion Democrats to her ornate Capitol office. She conferred with the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops to be sure the new restrictions were acceptable. She even consulted by telephone with a cardinal in Rome.

Then, Pelosi convened the most wrenching meeting of all: to inform the Pro-Choice Caucus, her longtime liberal colleagues, of the deal she had struck.

Pausing only to order in cheeseburgers all around, she revealed that she would allow a floor vote on restrictions that many liberals believed went beyond present law -- which applies mostly to Medicaid recipients and to workers who receive health benefits through the federal government.

http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-na-pelosi9-2009nov09,0,3266717,full.story

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[Kurt_and_Hunter]

2. Funny that we didn't defer to the Council of Bishops on the Iraq War

IIRC, they were against it

[jesus_of_suburbia]

12. They were.

And they were right.


edit: about the war.. they were right about the war. not this.

[Sebastian Doyle]

25. So was JP

I remember him calling out the Chimp on the Iraq invasion.

Don't remember if Benny the Rat made any statements one way or the other, but given his Hitler youth background, I wouldn't expect too much from him.

[drdtroit]

3. I thought there was a separation of church & state in the US, my bad! n/t

[roguevalley]

20. ah, profiles in courage. I loathe her with all my heart.

[Heidi]

4. Covering her ass? (nt)

[JPZenger]

5. They want the Catholic Church to endorse the plan

It is not as bad as it sounds. On NPR this morning, they described how the Catholic Church has officially been on record for years in favor of universal health insurance. Abortion was the one sticking point. They have AARP and AMA on board with an endorsement, and they'd like to add the Catholic Church - which is the second largest member organization in the US. The largest is AARP.

[Lars39]

6. We can thank Reagan for this....

he's the one that established formal diplomatic ties with the Vatican. :grr:

[Better Believe It]

8. Pope has more political power in the United States than in Italy on abortions!

In Italy abortions are legal and performed free-of-charge in public hospitals!

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Abortion in Italy became legal in May 1978, when Italian women were granted the right to terminate a pregnancy on demand during the first 90 days. Although a proposal to repeal the law was considered in a 1981 national referendum, it was rejected by nearly 68% of voters. Italian women are eligible to request an abortion for health, economic or social reasons, including the circumstances under which conception occurred. Abortions are performed free-of-charge in public hospitals or in private structures authorized by the regional health authorities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Italy

[charlie and algernon]

11. The Vatican IS an established nation

To be clear, I don't think a US Speaker of the House should be consulting with a Cardinal in Rome on US law. However, Vatican City is an internationally recognized nation.

[KansDem]

7. So, let me see if I understand this...

We need to check with Rome to see about a right guaranteed by the US Constitution?

Why are US troops today dying in Iraq and Afghanistan?

[HereSince1628]

9. Today the Taliban, tomorrow the Holy See its just a matter of time

and place. The people who believe in magical thinking never seem to lose their influence. They are always out there holding back progress.

[radhika]

10. Fear was that JFK would 'take orders from the Pope'

I was a kid in Catholic School when he was running for Pres. Lots of mutterings on his allegiances - the Constitution or the Pope. In those days, separation of church and state was valued. So,JFK clarified that his allegiance was to the Constitution. Now 60 years later of Christo-fascist (tax exempt) penetration of the commonweal, there is a different answer: The Pope.

[Better Believe It]

15. JFK was right. Nancy Pelosi is wrong.

Can you imagine what would have happened if President Kennedy has consulted with the Vatican on any domestic legislative matter?

There would have been calls for his impeachment!

[dflprincess]

23. And Pelosi should be impeached for this

or censured and removed as Speaker.

This is just wrong.

[golddigger]

13. Well, after I finish my cheeseburger I need to call the Vatican so they can...

tell me who to vote for in the next elections.

I don't want to vote until I have their approval.

[asjr]

14. There is, of course, a place in this

country for religion, but it is not in the House of Representatives, Senate or Supreme Court!

[madfloridian]

16. Kick

This is important to know.

[IndianaGreen]

17. Did she consult the Vatican about the pedophile priesthood as well?

If this story is true, then Pelosi is as bad as Reid and we got ourselves to blame for electing these assholes to office.

[pundaint]

18. no you can fuck a boy all day and not get him pregnant, besides,

his body is already controlled.

[dflprincess]

22. Actually there were a good many girls molested as well

but molesting boys makes for better headlines. And, if you saw "Deliver Us From Evil" the church didn't see the molestation of girls as being as serious as that of boys - they wouldn't even bother to move the priest to another parish as quickly or get him to one of their "counseling" centers when the victim was a girl.

[Fresh_Start]

19. surely the GOP will be offended that Rome was consulted

for a US law.

Who am I kidding....they'd offer their children and grandchildren to the devil for more legislative victories.

[ipaint]

21. Great, the C street cult "The Family" and catholic bishops

are deciding abortion access for women.

We have two political partys, center right conservatives and far right conservatives and with each compromise and each pragmatic surrender the former continues to morph into the latter.

[ohheckyeah]

24. I just emailed her and let her know

exactly what I think of this bullshit.

[joeycola]

26. Pelosi, her red dress bright against a sea of dark suits, fairly beamed............

No one was happy with every particular of the final bill. But at a midnight news conference after passage, House Democrats had what most of them thought really mattered: a bill.

Pelosi, her red dress bright against a sea of dark suits, fairly beamed.

"Oh, what a night," she said.

[uponit7771]

27. I don't agree with consulting any religious group but Hyde sec 507 is word for word Stupak Sec 236

...except that Stupak will become law and Hyde is vote on every year.

[ensho]

28. kick

nt

[Nikki Stone1]

29. WHAT? What happened to separation of church and state?

?????