Which vote with the Republicans by Dennis Kucinich was the most disgusting?

[zulchzulu]

Kucinich may think his vote shouldn't represent his constituents or that voting against Obama is a "good thing", but which vote showed Kucinich to obviously be a phony demagogue blowhard that never gets anything accomplished and blathers on like a Utopian Purist while actually voting like a Republican?

[uponit7771]

1. So this dude has a pattern of picking the perfect over the good, he should have lost credibility..

...long ago.

[GreenArrow]

3. Actually, his pattern is picking the good

over the BAD.

[krawhitham]

9. Yes he is a Hero for his votes, and the other dems that vote the same way are just Rahm's whores

You people are unfucking real

[zulchzulu]

21. Lieberman bad. Kucinich good. Blue Dogs bad. Kucinich good.

So what if they vote the same way...

:crazy:

[vaberella]

2. I didn't know he did this more than once. Why are so many people anti Lieberman?

It's an almost similar pattern for two different extremes.

[zulchzulu]

4. Bingo! Kucinich is just as much of an asshat as Lieberman is

Look at the votes. That's what counts.

While I like Kucinich on some levels, he is clearly showing himself to be a strawman than an authentic Progressive.

[chelsea0011]

5. It's fine that Kucinich has beliefs that he holds dear to his heart, but

he is also a Democrat. He picked a party to run with and sometimes you have to follow the party. If he wants to be an Independant, run as one. If he wants to ba a republican, run as one. You picked this party for a reason. So what is the reason?

[zulchzulu]

6. I'd love to see the UnRec cowards tell me why Kucinich is good for the Democratic Party

F*&king wankers...

[Egnever]

39. Meh nothin wrong with unrecing

not that I unreced this cause you know I didnt. But I do unrec stuff here all the time, sometimes I'll comment sometimes the thread is just so absurd its just not worth responding to an unrec is enough.

in the case of this thread well... is there really any question who is unrecing this?

[Forkboy]

47. I didn't unrec, but I should after your whining about it.

DK brings a voice to the Party that is needed, just as all the others do. We don't march in lockstep, and each voice brings something to our big tent. If you can't see why the numerous things he speaks out about are important, both to the party and the country, whether you're in agreement or disagreement with him, I'm not sure what to say to you. :shrug:

[NCarolinawoman]

7. Insurance company stock is going up this morning.

I just watched the analysis on CNBC. They are calling this a "benign" bill. They say the health care providers are happy with this. Nothing in it to lower their profits, plus increased enrollment. They are recommending people buy the private health care stock.

They all appeared to be happy and relaxed. They don't think the issue of health care will be addressed for another ten years.

My conclusion is that Dennis is a like a voice of truth, crying in the wilderness.

[zulchzulu]

8. So a "voice of truth" votes against people who are denied coverage due to...

...pre-existing conditions?

Wow. That's a fucking laugh. Lieberman and Kucinich are cut from the same cloth. They are both cowards.

:puke:

[NCarolinawoman]

10. Can you address the first part of what I posted?

How do you feel about the insurance companies continuing to raise their rates?

[zulchzulu]

14. Well gee whiz. So the insurance companies are raising their rates?

Why would the insurance companies raise their rates?

Maybe it has to do with the fact that:

• They have been raising their rates by 10+% every year for over 20 years
  
• They want to raise the rates as much now before they won't be allowed to with the healthcare reform legislation, which kicks in a couple years
  
• They are greedy and that's why people who voted FOR healthcare reform want to make them stop being greedy


Dennis voted WITH the insurance companies by voting against reform. He voted WITH the insurance companies that want to deny coverage to people with pre-existing conditions.

Know your enemy. Sometimes they smile at you while they stab you in the back.

[skipos]

16. What do you think of health insurance stock prices vs. the S&P 500

for the last year or two? How would you explain the difference?

[ccharles000]

11. All the above

[SIMPLYB1980]

12. DK "Better for the repbulicans than any Blue Dog."

imo

[spoony]

13. I see what's happening here

You see all the threads another poster is starting about DK and you're worried about him stealing your rep, so you're trying to make up ground.

[SIMPLYB1980]

15. Not a single person on the planet fears anything DK

and his supporters have to say. How much you want to bet he will vote for the final bill? Will you call DK a corporate whore then?

[spoony]

18. I think you may have replied to the wrong person.

Because I have no idea what you're on about.

[SIMPLYB1980]

20. Not at all.

And you are a fool if you have no idea what I said.

[zulchzulu]

19. If you vote the same way as a corporate whore, you are a corporate whore

I don't care about the blather and chest beating. If you vote like a Repig, you may as well be a Repig.

You can't see that?

[Forkboy]

31. The amount of blowback suggests otherwise.

[zulchzulu]

17. Explain to me why Kucinich is a "good Democrat" by voting against what we need to do

I don't give a poodle's patootie about threads. I care that people diss asshats like Lieberman but somehow our Precious Dennis is to be adored even though he is just as idiotic as Lieberman AND votes like a Republican.

Tell me how voting like a Blue Dog and acting like Lieberman is a good thing.

[Milo_Bloom]

33. Because he is voting like a PROGRESSIVE

And the bills you mentioned are clearly NOT progressive.

[Cha]

38. If it walks like a

duck, quacks like a duck, then we're suppose to believe it's an eagle?

[Undercurrent]

22. Heck, I was still trying to figure out why

he voted No on a nationwide AMBER alert system for missing kids back in 2003.

[firedupdem]

24. Oh my! no excuse. n/t

[Cha]

51. Standing on his stupid principles? Whatever they are.

[firedupdem]

23. Add to that, the vote against the disciplinary amendment on the

Joe Wilson issue. May seem minor, but that vote told me all I needed to know about this guy.

[SIMPLYB1980]

32. That was because he was guilty of the same thing Wilson did.

He just didn't do it in a joint session of congress with the President making the speech. But he got the same treatment so he didn't think it was fair.

[liquid diamond]

55. I laughed at people that

deified this asshole over the years, but looking at his record really makes me hate him. DK is a fucking fraud.

[Sebastian Doyle]

25. HIS VOTE AGINST THE IRAK WAR RELLY PISSED ME OFF !1111!!!!

GOD DAM COMMIE KUSSINNER DONT BELIEVE IN KILLIN BROWN PEOPLE FOR OIL. THAT'S JUST UNAMURIKKKAN!11!1!!111! :crazy:

[zulchzulu]

29. Even a broken clock is correct twice a day

Yeah, he voted against the war. Big Fucking Deal.

We're talking about his votes NOW.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

26. Kicking more liberals out of the party everyday. Way to go n/t

[zulchzulu]

28. Are you a liberal if you vote like a Republican?

Tell me we haven't gone down this road...

[Forkboy]

35. Tell us what part of this is voting like a Republican?

Rated 64% by the ACLU, indicating a mixed civil rights voting record.
Rated 100% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance.
Rated 94% by the NAACP, indicating a pro-affirmative-action stance.
Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record.
Rated 80% by CURE, indicating pro-rehabilitation crime votes.
Rated +10 by NORML, indicating a pro-drug-reform stance.
Rated 90% by the NEA, indicating pro-public education votes.
Rated 100% by the CAF, indicating support for energy independence.
Rated 100% on Humane Society Scorecard on animal protection
Rated 85% by the LCV, indicating pro-environment votes.
Rated 100% by APHA, indicating a pro-public health record.
Rated 100% by SANE, indicating a pro-peace voting record.
Rated 100% by the AFL-CIO, indicating a pro-union voting record.
Rated 92% by the AU, indicating support of church-state separation.
Rated 100% by the ARA, indicating a pro-senior voting record.
Rated 100% by the CTJ, indicating support of progressive taxation.

What's your definition of liberal? :shrug:

[Egnever]

40. The no on healthcare part

[Forkboy]

43. And what about the rest? Does that vote negate the other things?

And do you really want to go down the road of taking one or two votes and holding them against someone despite a solid record otherwise, because that's a chump's game that can go against any Democrat. Sure you want to play that game? Ted Kennedy and NCLB ring a bell? Almost every Democrat on the IWR ring a bell? Tell me, what pure Democrat do you support that has never voted in a way you don't like?

[Egnever]

53. For me yes.

We all draw the line somewhere, For me with Dennis this was the straw that broke the camels back. I have never really been a huge fan of his though at times I do agree with him. I have never thought of him as an effective representative.

Ted Kennedy may have had some bad votes but he also got things accomplished. I see a huge difference between someone who makes some bad votes and gets other things done and someone who makes bad votes and gets nothing done. Don't you? Its easy to constantly scream for nirvana the hard part is actually moving towards it.

As far as the IWR vote thing goes thats a vote that for me was a deal breaker. I have not supported any politician that voted for it. Almost the whole dem primary field was eliminated for me by that single vote. I wouldn't vote republican because of it as they are clearly worse but I wont lift a finger ever to help anyone get elected who voted for it either.

I am coming to the conclusion very quickly this health care vote will be another litmus test for me. Dennis failed that test spectacularly and his statements since have only made it worse.

[WI_DEM]

27. This is why Kucinich would never get anything done as president. He isn't like Ted Kennedy

and get legislation passed.

[Forkboy]

46. I like DK a lot, but the difference in effectiveness between those two is vast.

But to be fair, no Democrat can really match up well to Teddy's accomplishments.

[WeDidIt]

30. At least most Blue Dogs voted WITH the party on at least one of those

which makes Kucinich another Lieberman, IMO.

[NoPasaran]

34. Kick for the Dennisocalypse

[Cha]

36. But, history is being made without

dennis kucinich and his club for stagnation.

[ecstatic]

37. Besides healthcare, the one where he sided with Joe Wilson

I was done with him for good when that happened.

[Forkboy]

44. I'm sure you were ever for him.

[ecstatic]

50. He was my pick for President (04) before I switched to Dean

So yes, I was for him. Over time, I learned more about him and he lost my trust.

[Forkboy]

52. Ok, that's fair enough.

My apologies.

[HughMoran]

41. This is why

I think it's OK to call him a grandstander.

[Forkboy]

45. Claiming to be a fierce advocate for something to get votes is a good example of grandstanding also.

[burning rain]

42. I haven't cared for the guy since the '90s,...

when he opposed military intervention in the former Yugo--effectively pandering to the Serbs.

[CreekDog]

48. he's just very principled, that's all

for example, he always voted against abortion.






until he stopped opposing it while running for president. :eyes:

[Pirate Smile]

49. Geez, he's as reliable as a Republican on the important votes.

[Flaneur]

54. Yeah, I'd rather have a reliable Dem like Bart Stupak representing me.

Right?

[Onlooker]

56. Ops logic is the same logic that got us Don't Ask/Don't Tell

There are times to stand on principle. While I'm glad the health care bill passed, I'm also glad that Kucinich voted the way he did. It's an important reminder to the House leadership and corporate Obama that some liberals are as principled as conservatives, and one should not automatically assume that liberals are spineless like those the Op seems to admire. Don't Ask/Don't Tell was the lousy "compromise" that set back gay civil rights. Denying a woman equal rights in medical care (by denying her decision making power over her own body) is an equally bad compromise. My hope is that by getting any kind of bill passed, the Democrats will hold onto to power and change the the law.