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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 03:14 PM
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Why HCR signed by Pres will not be fully enacted until 2013
Why wait till 2013?

Because that was the only way to minimize the cost of the bill in order to pass it (rescinded tax cuts will be a big boon), and it is the time needed to set up the programs, including a PO and the exchange, without screwing it up (which if went wrong because it was being rushed, would give fodder
to Republicans)


It is impossible to put this kind of infrastructure in place on short notice without causing tremendous disruption to our health care system. I know because I have lived through four years of disruption caused by an attempt to consolidate behavioral health services, previously administered by seventeen agencies, into a single, privatized system under a single statewide entity. After three years of chaos, the state fired the insurance company managing the services. We are now starting over with another. Billing and claims systems don't work. Most providers have not yet been paid for their services.

Granted, I am convinced that for-profit insurance is unethical. Nevertheless, the arrangement might conceivably have worked more effectively if we had allowed sufficient start up time.

We cannot afford a national health care reform debacle.....it makes sense to allow the federal government time to put functional systems in place.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/10/20/795135/-Why-is-the-Health-Reform-Start-Date-2013



What will happen from the time of the Bill's passage till 2013?

If the House bill becomes law, it would become illegal in 2010 for insurance companies to rescind existing health insurance policies to avoid paying for an enrollee's health needs. Funding for community health centers and preventive services would also increase, and a health benefits advisory committee would be established that would come up with an "essential benefits" baseline that must be part of any insurance package offered in a health insurance exchange.

Under the bill approved by the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, discrimination against consumers with pre-existing medical conditions would become illegal upon the bill's signing, as would capping lifetime insurance coverage.
http://www.cleveland.com/medical/index.ssf/2009/09/health_care_reform_bills_inclu.html


"I understand that the politically safe move would be to kick the can further down the road -- to defer reform one more year, or one more election, or one more term. But that is not what the moment calls for. That's not what we came here to do. We did not come here to fear the future. We came here to shape it. I still believe we can act even when it's hard." - Pres. Barack Obama

And even if some want perfection or nothing.....
Saying you want stuff and you want it as you'd imagine it is what's easy,
getting anything meaningful passed in the current political climate
is what is difficult.


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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 03:17 PM
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1. In the conference bill they will look at it again to bring forward some
of the benefits, or to include some transitionary plans so that some of the benefits are more immediate.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 03:18 PM
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2. Ethically and politically, they have to, and so they will......
You are correct.
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Garam_Masala Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 03:38 PM
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8. omg...what happens if Obama loses in 2012? ...or...
2010 is another repeat of 1994?

Then the repugs could reverse the HCR even before it is
out of the starting gate.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 03:23 PM
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3. "the time needed to set up the programs" - I heard a Republican suggesting that they will spend lot
Edited on Sun Nov-08-09 03:24 PM by emulatorloo
lots of time obstructing during this period while rules and regulations have to be drafted, attempting to delay things further. Sorry no link and it was on TV before I had coffee.

Just a heads up for the "fun" in store for us.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 03:35 PM
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7. Wouldn't it be WONDERFUL if the 2012 elections gave the Dems such a majority in both houses of
Congress, that delaying tactics would be impossible??
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 03:51 PM
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10. Wouldn't it be WONDERFUL if the democratic politicians
represented their constituents nearly as strongly as they represent corporate give-aways and guaranteed profits? Then we might get the voter turnout you're talking about.

I think this whole exercise has just shown, yet again, that electing a majority is a bullshit goal if the party members won't agree to work together on a few core, vital goals. What we end up with is a majority that represents corporations instead of us. Then we are stuck fighting tooth and nail for relative crumbs, while the corporations get to plunder the treasury and us for billions.

If the only reason each individual is there is to collect campaign contributions from lobbyists to keep their seats then they aren't really there to accomplish anything for us. We basically elected some of these guys so that they can work against us, and profit from it, while telling us that we have no choice but to keep electing them to do more of the same.

:(
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 04:11 PM
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13. Absolutley true. No argument possible.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 03:54 PM
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11. So you think 80 Democratic Senators and 400 Dems in the House would be sufficient?

Of course, to attain those goals Rahm Emanuel and the DLC would insist on running conservative (centrist) Democrats in those "conservative" states and districts currently represented by Republicans in order to defeat Republican candidates.

That would mean a much bigger Blue Dog contingent in the House and Senate with the number of "liberals" staying about the same.

You're back to square one!

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 04:10 PM
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12. You are right...We are seeing the results of Emanuel's and the DLC's
seeding certain elections with "centrist" candidates instead of backing those that would stand up for the real Democratic principles.
Win at any cost has not proven to be the great panacea that they had hoped for.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 04:52 PM
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14. You are right. We are just electing people who, 20 years ago,
would have been considered Republicans, and fairly conservative ones, with the views they are espousing now. Except, because Rahm says it's supposedly a good thing, we now call them democrats, and that is supposed to be wonderful.

But what have we really achieved with this strategy of taking and relabeling republicans? Our party now pushes their agenda for them. Only a few ostracized brave democrats are willing and able to stand up today for what used to be the platforms the whole party supported a few decades ago.

Our party has moved so far to the right that it often IS a rigth-wing party. We don't have a left-wing party, and our party demonizes the left-wing remnants that are still managing to survive within the party.

Rahm wants to make our party the new Republicans in order to push out the actual Republican party. He seems to think that Democrats will then have a lock on the left and the right. But he is driving away the left as hard as he can.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 03:26 PM
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4. BUT PEOPLE WILL DIE BECCAUSE OF THE DELAY ZOMG!!!!
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 03:34 PM
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6. They sure will.....and many others will get so sick they will die during 2013.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 03:33 PM
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5. Medicare took 9 months from signing to fully populated with tens of millions. They
sure knew how to get good things done quickly back in those days, instead of half assed things done slowly.

And seniors on Medicare? No pre-exisiting conditions. Since 1965.

Today we hear a bunch of excuses. You know what I'm talking about.

They sure didn't take that long to do the TARP, but I guess that was more important.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 03:44 PM
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9. If the political will is there, anything can be done...and if it is not......
we get what we have now.
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