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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 04:20 AM
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Know This Bill By Its Opposition
It's been posted recently, but bears repeating at this time.

Here's a list of organizations that supported the House bill that passed tonight:

AARP
Advocates for Youth
AFL-CIO
AFSCME
Alliance for Children and Families
Alliance for Retired Americans
American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychology
American Academy of Family Physicians
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Association for Geriatric Psychiatry
American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy
American Association of Nurse Anesthetists
American Association of Pastoral Counselors
American Art Therapy Association
American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network
American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists
American College of Physicians
American College of Surgeons
American Counseling Association
American Group Psychotherapy Association
American Medical Student Association
American Mental Health Counselors Association
American Nurses Association
American Osteopathic Association
American Psychiatric Nurses Association
American Psychoanalytic Association
American Psychotherapy Association
American Public Health Association
Anxiety Disorders Association of America
Arc of the United States
Association for the Advancement of Psychology
Association for Ambulatory Behavioral Healthcare
Bazelon Center for Mental Health Law
Association of American Medical Colleges
Black Youth Vote
California Rural Indian Health Board (CRIHB)
Campus Progress
Center for Clinical Social Work/ABE
Center for Community Change
Children and Adults with Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder
Child Welfare League of America
Choice USA
Clinical Social Work Association
Clinical Social Work Guild 49, OPEIU
Consumers Union
Corporation for Supportive Housing
CWA
Demos
Depression and Bipolar Support Alliance
Doctors for America
Easter Seals
Eating Disorders Coalition for Research, Policy & Action
Families USA
Family Voices
Federation of American Hospitals
Forward Montana
Friends Committee on National Legislation
Generational Alliance
Health Access California
Health Care for America NOW
Health Care for America NOW – Southern Oregon Coalition
Main Street Alliance
Mental Health America
NAACP
National Alliance on Mental Illness
National Assembly on School-Based Health Care
National Association of Anorexia Nervosa and Associated Disorders-ANAD
National Association of Community Health Centers (NACHC)
National Association of Mental Health Planning and Advisory Councils
National Association of Public Hospitals and Health Systems
National Association of Social Workers
National Association of State Mental Health Program Directors
National Breast Cancer Coalition
National Coalition of Mental Health Consumer/Survivor Organizations
National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare
National Council for Community Behavioral Healthcare
National Disability Rights Network
National Education Association (NEA)
National Federation of Families for Children’s Mental Health
National Foundation for Mental Health
National Patient Advocate Foundation
National Spinal Cord Injury Association
Paralyzed Veterans of America
Rock the Vote
Service Employees International Union (SEIU)
Small Business Majority
Suicide Prevention Action Network USA, a Division of AFSP
Tourette Syndrome Association, Inc,
UAW
United Cerebral Palsy
United Methodist Church – General Board of Church and Society
United Neighborhood Centers of America
United Spinal Association
USAction
U.S. Psychiatric Rehabilitation Association
U.S. Public Interest Research Group (USPIRG)
U.S. Women’s Chamber of Commerce
Virginia Organizing Project
Voto Latino
Washington Community Action Network
Witness Justice
Young Democrats of America
Young Invincibles
18 in ‘08


To this list, include Reps Grayson and Weiner, and all around Health Care dynamo Howard Dean - each a tireless advocate for the people, and supporters of the bill.

Add all the progressive members of the house, who would otherwise be considered heroes on DU for all they do and have done for Americans. Suddenly, if one were to listen to the naysayers, those progressives have become coroporate tools.

Finally, consider those who OPPOSED the bill. Every single Republican, the teabaggers, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Bill Oreilly, and the collective cast of that sad little sitcom known as FreeRepublic.com. if you can know a man by his enemies, you can know a bill by it's opposition. Even if you haven't read the bill, just based on the bozos who are attacking this piece of legislation, we can tell that this must be a GREAT bill.

Take a bow, each and every one of you listed above. Now on to the Senate :)
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 04:24 AM
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1. I'd prefer to evaluate it by it's effect.
As soon as I detect any, aside from treating women badly, I'll let you know.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 04:32 AM
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3. Here's some.....
Insurance companies could no longer deny coverage to people because they've had health problems in the past, nor could they charge hugely different rates for different groups of people (premiums could only vary by age, geography, tobacco use and family size).
The House bill bans recissions -- the insurance industry's habitual practice of collecting premiums until someone gets sick, and then digging through their histories for an excuse to cancel coverage.
Insurers wouldn't be allowed to cancel an individual's coverage for reasons other than failing to pay the premium.
Insurers would no longer be permitted to impose annual or lifetime caps on benefits.
Insurers that sell insufficient, cheapo plans that leave people vulnerable to medical crises would be required to disclose that fact to their customers.
All insurers would be required to disclose how much of their spending is on health care and how much goes to costs like overhead, advertising, etc.
The legislation (especially the Senate HELP bill) creates new tools for fighting insurance fraud and abuse.
3. Medical Bankruptcies Would Plummet

One of the most significant of these regulations is in the House bill: a cap on out-of-pocket expenses. If the measure passes, individuals would face a maximum of $5,000 in out-of-pocket expenses a year, and families no more than $10,000. For poorer families, the limits would be much lower: $500 per year, for example, for a family making less than 1.33 times the poverty rate.

In 2007, Harvard researchers studied thousands of bankruptcy filings and found that medical causes played a role in more than 6 in 10.

4. People Who Could Never Get Decent Coverage Will Finally Be Able To

So far, one of the great victories for the anti-reform movement has been convincing many small-business owners that health reform will put them under.

The reality is that small-business people, their employees, independent contractors, freelancers, entrepreneurs, part-timers and the "marginally employed" would be the biggest winners from the legislation if it passed as currently drafted. Small business owners and their employees -- as well as those other groups -- would, for the first time, be able to get decent coverage at a fair price, and if eligible, both employer and worker would be able to get extra help paying for it.

Under the current system, most of the largest employers in the country self-insure -- they pay their employees' claims directly and cut out the middleman.

Big firms that don't self-insure buy insurance on the large-group market, where risk is spread out over a large pool. Large-group plans tend to be more or less comprehensive and, relatively speaking, affordable.

But those forced to purchase coverage on the individual or small-group markets have little buying power and are routinely forced to pay budget-busting premiums for the worst possible coverage -- plans with high deductibles, caps on benefits and strict limits on what is and isn't covered.

This gets to the heart of the "public insurance option" -- the most contentious point of debate in the reform battle. It would work like this: The government would establish regional exchanges, or "gateways," that would be open to those who would otherwise be forced into the individual and small-group markets. These gateways would have relatively large insurance pools just like large employers -- and public programs like Medicare -- have now.

Within these large purchasing pools, people would be able to choose from among different insurance plans -- one a government-run "public option" and the rest offered by private insurers.

In order for private insurers to sell plans through the exchanges, they would be required to offer a standard set of benefits (which the public option would have to offer as well). They'd also be permitted to offer plans with more bells and whistles at a premium price.

For those enrolled in the public exchanges, the process would be quite similar to what employees in many large companies experience -- they would simply choose from among a variety of plans, with slightly different levels of coverage and costs.

Compared to the plans now available in the individual and small-group markets, they would pay a lot less for significantly better insurance (which, in reality, is what those "teabaggers" are protesting).

Because of pressure from Republicans and conservative Blue Dog Democrats, the public exchanges will phase in slowly, over a period of four to six years.

5. (Almost) Everyone Gets Covered
http://www.alternet.org/healthwellness/141916/10_awesome_things_that_would_happen_if_health_reform_passes/


and more....38 million more!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8741163
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 07:21 AM
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4. Thanks for this Frenchie...
Frenchie isn't it true that all the CHIP kids get on medicare now too?
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 11:30 PM
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7. Yes, that's wonderful tinkering.
Six or eight more "reform" bills and we might obtain actual reform.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 10:01 AM
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5. Then judge the effect it has already had on its opposition
The Republicans are apoplectic, and it warms my heart :)
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 04:32 AM
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2. AHIP and Pharma should be on the support list. Also the AMA,
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 10:08 AM
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6. AHIP Statement on House Passage of H.R. 3962
Edited on Sun Nov-08-09 10:10 AM by demwing
WASHINGTON, Nov. 7 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Karen Ignagni, President and CEO of America's Health Insurance Plans (AHIP), released the following statement today on House passage of H.R. 3962.

"Health plans strongly support comprehensive health care reform, and we have contributed to this discussion by proposing a complete overhaul of how health insurance is provided. Earlier this year, we proposed guaranteed coverage, elimination of pre-existing condition exclusions, no longer basing premiums on a person's health status or gender, and an effective personal coverage requirement to get everyone covered. We also have proposed far-reaching administrative simplification reforms that will improve efficiency, reduce costs, and free up time for physicians to focus on patient care.

"The current House legislation fails to bend the health care cost curve and breaks the promise that those who like their current coverage can keep it. A new government-run plan will cause millions to lose their existing coverage and draconian Medicare Advantage cuts will force millions of seniors out of the program entirely.

"This bill imposes inflexible mandates before getting everyone covered and new regulations that duplicate what is already in place at the state level. Many of these reforms begin in 2010 after employees have already chosen their plans and contracts have been negotiated. The result will be increased costs and massive disruptions in the quality coverage individuals and families rely on today.

"Recent polls have shown that Americans are increasingly concerned about the impact of rising health care costs. Yet the current health care reform discussion has, until recently, ignored the cost issue. Without real and effective measures to bend the cost curve, families and employers will not be able to afford coverage and health care costs will rise at a rate much faster than the overall economy is able to sustain.


http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ahip-statement-on-house-passage-of-hr-3962-69495227.html

Wow, you call that "support"? I think we should check to see what kind of dictionary you are using...
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 11:37 PM
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8. You left out N.O.W. opposing it.
The opposition was the point of your OP, wasn't it? My goodness, how could a big constituency like women be overlooked? But ignore women anyway, they're only a big chunk of Dems' core vote and more than half of the electorate, and they're just bitching because we all know this is such a great bill and all.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 11:39 PM
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10. Women will be excluded?
Only men will get health care and insurance coverage?
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 11:41 PM
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11. Because, at the time I wrote it
Edited on Sun Nov-08-09 11:45 PM by demwing
I was unaware of the opposition by NOW

It does change the way I feel. Not completey, because I don't believe the Stupak amendment will survive the process, but it does change my favorability to a degree.

I still don't believe it's a bad bill. It's a good bill with a bad amendment.

But it will save lives, and that is a good thing. That is a truly wonderful thing.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 11:38 PM
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9. Rec'd! n/t
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harry_pothead Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 01:02 AM
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12. K&R for my union.
National Education Association (NEA)
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 01:36 AM
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13. The message to women was we don't count. Religious right counts more.
That is a stunning thing to put in the bill. To tell the women in your party that Bart Stupak and his religious bigots count more than we do.
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bluetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 02:11 AM
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15. The advocates of this bill are all misogynists.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 12:51 PM
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16. What nonsense
By your "logic," the following women who supported the bill in Congress are all misogynists:

Tammy Baldwin
Melissa Bean
Shelley Berkley
Corrine Brown
Kathy Castor
Yvette Clarke
Susan Davis
Diana DeGette
Rosa DeLauro
Donna Edwards
Anna Eshoo
Gabrielle Giffords
Jane Harman
Mazie Hirono
Sheila Jackson-Lee
Eddie Johnson
Marcy Kaptur
Carolyn Kilpatrick
Barbara Lee
Zoe Lofgren
Nita Lowey
Carolyn Maloney
Doris Matsui
Carolyn McCarthy
Betty McCollum
Gwen Moore
Grace Napolitano
Nancy Pelosi
Laura Richardson
Lucille Roybal-Allard
Loretta Sanchez
Linda Sanchez
Jan Schakowsky
Allyson Schwartz
Carol Shea-Porter
Louise Slaughter
Betty Sutton
Niki Tsongas
Nydia Velazquez
Debbie Wasserman Schultz
Maxine Waters
Diane Watson
Lynn Woolsey

What a foolish accusation.
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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 01:53 AM
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14. Screw AHIP and The U.S. Chamber of Commerce Who Opposed The Bill!
K & R
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