28 male Dems with their noses all up in women's business

[ensho]

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/143708/meet_the_28_%28male%29_anti-choice_dems_who_are_stalling_health_reform


Meet the 28 (Male) Anti-Choice Dems Who Are Stalling Health Reform


Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) claims he's recruited over 40 anti-choice Dems to sabotage the current bill.

(a man whose nuts I'd like to kick, hard)


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"I will continue whipping my colleagues to oppose bringing the bill to the floor for a vote until a clean vote against public funding for abortion is allowed," Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) said Monday in a statement. He said last week that 40 Democrats could vote with him to oppose the legislation -- enough to derail the bill.

To be clear, Stupak and his colleagues are joining with Republicans in trying to prevent the bill from coming to the floor at all if their extreme anti-choice amendment is not allowed. Stupak wants to prohibit abortion coverage completely in the exchange, meaning that if a woman wanted reproductive health coverage that included abortion servcies, she'd have to purchase an additional insurance rider. That would mean that a young woman covered by her parent's plan would have to negotiate with her parents for the coverage. Or a woman in an abusive relationship would have to negotiate that with her partner. Women would have to plan in advance, think ahead to whether any circumstance in their future life might lead them to have an unplanned or unwanted

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•Jason Altmire
•John Barrow
•Dan Boren
•Bobby Bright
•Chris Carney
•Travis Childers
•Jerry Costello
•Kathy Dahlkemper
•Artur Davis
•Lincoln Davis
•Steve Driehaus
•Parker Griffith
•Tim Holden
•Dale Kildee
•Frank Kratovil
•Dan Lipinski
•Jim Marshall
•Jim Matheson
•Mike McIntyre
•Charlie Melancon
•Michael McMahon
•Alan Mollohan
•Jim Oberstar
•Collin Peterson
•Nick Rahall
•Mike Ross
•Heath Shuler
•John Tanner
•Gene Taylor
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28 religiously insane men who won't get elected again

[gateley]

1. There's a "Kathy" in there -- even more despicable. nt

[Freddie Stubbs]

15. Kathy Dahlkemper ran as a pro-life Democrat

She is keeping a promise to the people who elected her.

[gateley]

26. Okay -- that's fair. I take it back, Kathy. nt

[niyad]

2. thanks for the list--to my surprise, not one of my idiots is on the list.

[mopinko]

3. hey, if there is someone out there who can get rid of dan lipinski, i can

guarantee quite a few foot soldiers. but i tell ya what, there were a lot of people trying to get rid of him last time around that will never set foot in certain neighborhoods again. his district is back country alabama in chicago. (no offense to southern du'ers)
nobody decent wants that f'ing district.

[Jennicut]

4. Heath Shuler..oh so surprising.

[ej510]

5. If there was a such thing as reincarnation these guys would come

back as woman and know what it feels like to be oppressed.

[saracat]

6. Ant i-Choice democrats are not Democrats. They should not be allowed to run for office.Period.

Rahm thinks they have to be included. BS. This makes our majority worthless to me.Same folks don't support GLBT issues either. BUt to some just "winning"is enough.These are the ame kind of folks some would "trust" to fix health care later. I now await the ususal attacks about "my issues" not counting.

[Freddie Stubbs]

17. That is the same teabagger attitude which cost the GOP a seat in Congress in NY on Tuesday

Fortunately the Democrats in those Blue Dog districts are not as intolerant as you.

[saracat]

18. Why should I be tolerant of them? I guess the GBTL Community should be "tolerant" of Maine.

What benefit is there is having a majority that doesn't represent the people? Would you be as tolerant about other civil rights issues? And another thing, the teabaggers almost won. They would have but for the concession and endorsement of the GOP candidate.

[Freddie Stubbs]

20. Almost won? Almost winning is the same thing as losing

Follow their strategy and we'll soon be in the minority.

[saracat]

23. My point was we didn't win by any merit of our own. However we lost VA and NJ through our own

efforts. Follow the bipartisan kiss ass strastegy and we WILL be the minority party but at the moment , ikt doesn't seem too really matter. We still follow a Republican agenda.Funny about that.

[T Wolf]

7. Oh yes they will. Over 90% (or is it 99%) of incumbents retain their seats. Removing them by more

direct means is the only way to pry them out of their seats of power and graft.

[mstinamotorcity]

8. They don't want abortions

and are totally against it that is until the pretty young intern or mistress gets pregnant then its how much you need and what day can you get it done. And most incumbents believe that they are entitled to their seats not elected for short periods of time. Thats the problem now some have been there since the prehistoric age.

[Zoeisright]

9. Bart Stupid (sic) really needs to mind his own fucking business.

And I'm furious that Jim Oberstar is on that list. He's getting an email right now.

[rasputin1952]

10. Looks to me the only one who can really have a say on this is...

Kathy Dahlkemper...and then, only w/her own body.


edited...dumb typos...:blush:

[femrap]

11. Pro-Choice voters should unite

and demand sperm-control! If the boyz want to play w/ women's body parts, we'll play with theirs.

Forcing women to carry an unwanted child should result in the sperm provider losing his right to produce sperm.

Gee, I wonder how many new Ignored posters I'll get this time.

I just see this as Legislative Fairness. I mean we're all Equal these days, right?

[ensho]

12. kick

nt

[northernlights]

46. GREAT THINKING!!!!!!! +1000 nt

[joeglow3]

13. They are not trying to make abortion illegal.

Clearly we need to provide abortions for rape, incest and situations where the mother's life is in danger.

Outside of that, is it an elective procedure? Do we pay for all elective procedures? Since my sister got some insurance provided facial work done after her car accident, should my wife also get some insurance provided work simply because she wants it?

For some of this, it is NOT a choice versus anti-choice arguement. Rather, it is an election versus necessary argument.

[noamnety]

16. No, it is not an "elective procedure" like plastic surgery.

Ending a pregnancy one way or another is not an option, it's a given. It's not like getting plastic surgery where the options are a medical procedures - or nothing.

An abortion is one way of ending the pregnancy that removes the risk of having to undergo major surgery like a c-section. That's much like how women have the option to do a lumpectomy instead of being forced to do a radical mastectomy. It's about having control over what procedures your body doesn't have to undergo. In every other case I can think of, when a person has to decide between a minor outpatient operation to avoid a large risk of major surgery and a multi-day hospital stay, they are given the option.

But thank you so much, Joe, for letting us know you view unwanted pregnancies as being equivalent in some way to not liking the shape of one's nose. That's appreciated.

[saracat]

19. Betcha the policy will cover penile implants though

[joeglow3]

28. Wow, an un-substantiated claim...

...what a convincing argument.

[joeglow3]

27. I fully support a woman's right to choose...

...but I don't like the procedure. And claiming we need to fund all with public dollars because someone may not want a c-section is shallow at best. Just because someone is a man does not mean they are incapable of analyzing a medical procedure. Next, you will tell me only cancer survivors can discuss different cancer treatments.

[saracat]

30. Maybe I don't like implants or vasectomy's . Maybe we shouldn't pay for those either.

You don't like the procedure? What about hysterectomies? Do you like those? What about D and C's? Who the hell "likes" any surgeries and what on earth does it have to do with you? There are many surgeries I will never have and they are none of my business but they are covered by insurance and should be.

[joeglow3]

34. You seem to be the one saying fear of surgery is justification

Of the million plus of abortions we have each year, a small percentage of those would need a c section. And yet you claim it should be covered by insurance because of fear of said surgery. I am simply attempting to understand your logic.

[saracat]

39. That isn't what I said at all. I took issue with your having to "Like" abortion.

My point was your "liking" abortion or not is not relevant to the medical procedure being funded. Your comparison to a face lift is insulting.An abortion is not a medical procedure that you will ever need so your opinion on whether you like it or not is meaningless.

[noamnety]

40. It's not "fear" of having unwanted major surgery.

"fear" implies an irrational emotional response, rather than a measured risk analysis.

Most people for obvious reasons seek to avoid increasing their risk of unnecessary major surgery. Not that their reason is your business, mind you. Just noting that once again you have opted to resort to language that is deliberately trivializing to describe women's health issues.

[noamnety]

32. Once you compare abortions to cosmetic facelifts

you pretty much lose the right to tell other people that their arguments are shallow, as far as I'm concerned.

It IS insulting coming from a man, just as a person who's never had cancer spouting off about the "trivial" effects of chemo would be insulting.

[joeglow3]

35. PROVE to me (or anyone) that all (or even a majority) are NOT elective.

You can't. All you can do is through out anedoctal info, to try and tug on emotions, knowing the facts don't back you up.

[saracat]

38. Abortions for ec-topic pregnancies are elective surgery?

Are you just completely ill informed or do you just like trying to control the rights of women to health care? What the heck is wrong with you? There are many, many medical reasons for women to abort.These reasons range from coma to hemorrhaging and include epilepsy and stroke. There are also physiological reasons not to give birth as well. Many women are unable to give birth and to compare this surgery to cosmetic surgery is an abomination. Do you also support the rights of petri dishes?

[joeglow3]

41. When did I say THAT scenario was elective?

I NEVER did.

[saracat]

42. You asked for proof that ALL abortions were not "elective". I gave it.

"PROVE to me (or anyone) that (ALL) (or even a majority) are NOT elective." ALL abortions are NOT elective. Not that it should matter.I note you have no real response to what is written.

[noamnety]

44. lol

"All you can do is through out anecdotal info, to try and tug on emotions"

-- Mr. I-don't-want-women-to-have-access-to-abortions-because-I-don't-LIKE-them.

[xxqqqzme]

31. termination of a pregnancy was NOT

elective for me. In fact, I find your analogy insulting.

[joeglow3]

36. Once again, relying on emotion and not facts.

For those that are medically necessary, it is obviously no elective. However, studies show a reasonable breakdown this.

My wife is an RN in an OB/GYN's office. They do not perform abortions, but have had to refer a number for medical reasons. This PALES in comparison to the number they have had who did not get it done for medical reasons.

[SharonAnn]

37. They are just trying to make abortion impossible, not illegal?

Sorry, I came of ager during the 60's and well remember the situations of many young woman whom I knew. I wouldn't everwantto go back to that again.

[Freddie Stubbs]

14. They were elected by their constituents to decide how tax dollars were spent

[flpoljunkie]

21. Nancy Pelosi needs 218 votes. There are now 258 Dems in the House. Do the math.

Republicans and their misguided Democratic allies evidently want to insure that only those with private health care are able to have abortions--no matter the reason.

This is also not about life. It's about control--control of women's lives.

[cali]

45. Nope. The fuckers are going beyond that

If the legislation written by the Conference of Catholic Bishops that weasel Stupak is pushing, passes, private companies participating in the exchange won't be allowed to offer coverage for abortions.

[jonnyblitz]

22. this would PISS me off to no end If I were a woman.

it makes me think of straight people deciding the fate of gay people. I hate it.

[Sinti]

24. I believe this could be the short list of C-Streeter Democrats n/t

[backwoodsbob]

25. will you bet me $1000

that not all 28 will lose?

[COLGATE4]

29. Stupak's claim to fame

prior to being a CongressCrittur was being a Michigan State cop. Lots of brawn, not too much in the brains department. Plus, he represents the part of Michigan (Upper Peninsula) whose residents are generally considered to be pretty unsophisticated. Consider the source...

[demo dutch]

33. I'm sick of stupid white men telling me what to do!! We need more women in public office

[Vinca]

43. This really ticks me off. I'd like to tell them when any of them get pregnant

to get back to me. They need to keep their noses out of our private lives. They stew about fertilized eggs that may or may not become human beings, while the "old eggs" who are walking and talking and living and breathing are up a creek without health care or a paddle.