Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Maybe a little of a double standard......From Politico

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 08:58 AM
Original message
Maybe a little of a double standard......From Politico
I am sure this will be unrecommended to <0 in 10 seconds. But I guarantee if Bush had done some of this stuff we would have been ripping him. I know I would have!
I am not saying Obama is doing anything wrong, but that people on this board, including me, give Obama a break when we would not have with Bush because we like Obama and think he is a much better man. Still, some valid things to look at. Even if you won't admit it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20091027/pl_politico/28764

A four-hour stop in New Orleans, on his way to a $3 million fundraiser.
Snubbing the Dalai Lama.
Signing off on a secret deal with drug makers.
Freezing out a TV network.
Doing more fundraisers than the last president. More golf, too.
President Barack Obama has done all of those things — and more.
What’s remarkable is what hasn’t happened. These episodes haven’t become metaphors for Obama’s personal and political character — or consuming controversies that sidetracked the rest of his agenda.
It’s a sign that the media’s echo chamber can be a funny thing, prone to the vagaries of news judgment, and an illustration that, in politics, context is everything.
Conservatives look on with a mix of indignation and amazement and ask: Imagine the fuss if George W. Bush had done these things?
And quickly add, with a hint of jealousy: How does Obama get away with it?
“We have a joke about it. We’re going to start a website: IfBushHadDoneThat.com,” former Bush counselor Ed Gillespie said. “The watchdogs are curled up around his feet, sleeping soundly. ... There are countless examples: some silly, some serious.”
Indeed, Bush got grief for secret meetings with the oil industry, politicizing the White House and spending too much time on his beloved bike. But it’s not just Republicans who notice. Media observers note that the president often gets kid-glove treatment from the press, fellow Democrats and, particularly, interest groups on the left — Bush’s loudest critics, Obama’s biggest backers.
But others say there’s a larger phenomenon at work — in the story line the media wrote about Obama’s presidency. For Bush, the theme was that of a Big Business Republican who rode the family name to the White House, so stories about secret energy meetings and a certain laziness, intellectual and otherwise, fit neatly into the theme, to be replayed over and over again.

<snip>
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 09:01 AM
Response to Original message
1. Politico is a RW rag. Keep on eating their shit up
You'll be hard pressed to find even one positive article on Obama or any other Democrat
on their site.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 09:06 AM
Response to Reply #1
4. Thanks for making my point. Nothing Obama does is wrong here and if you say so you are ripped!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 09:27 AM
Response to Reply #4
7. No you just proved the point about Politico
They've showed themselves since the primary.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 12:23 PM
Response to Reply #4
20. It would help if you would point out some of the legitimate problems with Obama...
...instead of pointing to a bunch of phony BS coming out of politico.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 01:09 PM
Response to Reply #4
25. There are valid criticisms to level at President Obama...
...yet for some reason you chose to recycle unsupported semi-truths.

Your homework is to examine context. Start simply: which president showed up late in New Orleans following a natural disaster, and which merely stopped in to check up, four years after? Which president spent more time on vacation in his first nine months?

These are basic, basic points to think about before parroting known right-wing propagandists, and frankly, you blew it. Please add some substance next time.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 09:03 AM
Response to Original message
2. The fund-raising issue is a gret reason to have federal public financing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 09:05 AM
Response to Original message
3. yahoo?...politico?...and 'double standard'?
sounds about right...

they left out any expansion of the FACTS in each of the examples...but hey, you can't digest rightwing bullshit if its not presented in small bites...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 09:16 AM
Response to Original message
5. All righty I'll take a shot
I doubt that Obama is doing more fundraisers than shrubbo did in the first term. Shrubbo was fucking toxic over the last 3 years of his second term and nobody wanted to be within a block of him if they were facing re-election.

More golf, that's cause shrub sucked at golf and spent more time on vacation hanging at the pig farm and Camp David than he ever did in Washington. Perhaps they could calculate total vacation time up to November instead of focusing on a single sport, if you consider smacking a little white ball sport.

4 hour stopover in New Orleans, shrub didn't even land the fucking plane in New Orleans, he was busy having a birthday party for McCain, in Texas of course, while the city was swamped.

Freezing out a TV network: Shrubbo held dinners for Fox News and Conservative Opinion Writers in the White House while not allowing other networks to ask questions of his spokesassholes. Lets not forget putting a known male prostitute in the press gallery to ask pre-written questions.

Snubbing the Dalai Lama, politics is a bitch and sometimes you have to do stuff you don't really want to do. Did shrubbo ever meet with him while China was pissed at Tibet?

Secret deal with drug makers, not so secret if everyone knows about and see above... Politics is a bitch and sometimes you have to make deals with people you normally wouldn't.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 09:21 AM
Response to Original message
6. It's easy to cherry pick when you think Obama hasn't done anything.
Bush spent more time on vacation than Obama has in his first year in office.
We were attacked under Bush's watch almost 9 months into his first term of office.
Bush ignored New Orleans after Katrina hit.
Bush started a war of choice in Iraq.
Bush's administration stopped giving interviews to NBC and MSNBC.
Bush used torture techniques to get false information out of detainees

Meanwhile:

Obama is about to sign into law historic health insurance reform (by Christmas).
He will sign into law historic hate crimes bill Wednesday.
Iraq is ahead of schedule in withdrawing troops.
Nuclear nonproliferation unanimous agreement at the UN.
Gitmo will be closed next year (maybe not by January, but close).
Obama got a stimulus package that is just now kicking in.
Getting agreement with France and Russia regarding Iran.
Ledbetter bill being signed into law.
Obama will also be meeting with the Dalai Lama after his trip to China.
Fox News hasn't been freezed out. The Obama administration is just telling the truth that Fox isn't really a "news" channel.

But let's cherry pick and focus on Obama playing golf on Sundays and trying to raise money for the Democratic Party because he's our best spokesman.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 10:52 AM
Response to Reply #6
17. +1--Such a slacker, that Obama. Except for when people complain
that he's too ambitious, trying too much too soon, going too many places, giving too many speeches, always in our faces and on TV...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 09:31 AM
Response to Original message
8. Freezing out a tv network? You mean we need to feel for Faux?
It is not legitimate news and the more Dems treat it that way, the better.
It is pure propaganda.

As far as golfing goes, Bush did a ton of golfing and then stopped because he was embarrassed to be filmed doing it while he decided to invade Iraq.

Fund raising will be necessary evil until all campaigns are publicly financed. Rethugs had an advantage for years. We are about to pass something, anything to do with health care reform and without a Dem majority we would not even be talking about any kind of reform.

As much as some want to say Obama's presidency is a third Bush term, it is utter BS. We would not even be discussing what to do in Afghanistan, want to do on health care, etc. There would be no discussion if Obama was "just like Bush".
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 09:34 AM
Response to Original message
9. DL wasn't snubbed, the deal wasn't secret, Fox has been trying to get him KILLED....
I don't give a shit about the New Orleans stop, Katrina happened years ago. Plus, he campaigned there anyway. Its not like he hasn't had other places to go.

As far as fundraisers and golf bullshit go, shut the fuck up, Obama has been working his ASS off with hardly any real vacation taken at all. His work ethic speaks for itself regardless of what anyone thinks about policy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 09:40 AM
Response to Original message
10. I am curious whether you did any research of your own before you....
Edited on Tue Oct-27-09 09:41 AM by Spazito
came to the conclusion these were valid points?

I ask because I did and none of them are actually factual when examined in context but I will leave you, given it is your OP and your conclusion they are valid, to show proof these are valid before I offer proof they are garbage.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 09:51 AM
Response to Original message
11. Posting the same BULLSHIT again and again I see...
I see a TROLL!!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 09:58 AM
Response to Original message
12. There is a huge double standard. Anyone who denies it is fooling themselves. But...
...the difference I see is intent. People mistrusted Bush's intent, whereas they trust Obama's. That reconciles a lot of the double standard.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 10:06 AM
Response to Original message
13. What a load of horseshit!
Politico is as biased and corrupt as they come. Mike Allen and the rest are all committed, diehard, delusional Republicans.

Also, in regard to the post in question, please get back to me when Obama starts a needless war that kills over a million people, shreds the Constitution, eliminates almost all federal regulation for businesses, disregards and ignores urgent warnings about a massive attack on America, steals two elections, allows male prostitutes to pose as reporters in the White House press room etc. etc. etc. The article is complete nonsense. Anyone that buys into this BS needs to rethink the issue.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #13
18. We know those problems you spell out exist but it is
necessary to listen up to even those posts related to what Obama does or does not do. This is a discussion board.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 12:24 PM
Response to Reply #18
22. "This is a discussion board" is no a defense for pushing phony outrage memes.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #22
27. what to you is outrage is real issue to me.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 10:22 AM
Response to Original message
14. Jesus, what a bunch of shit.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 10:42 AM
Response to Original message
15. "Freezing out a TV network. Doing more fundraisers than the last president. More golf, too."
1. He did NOT freeze out Faux. The WH just called them what they are, and said Obama will still appear on Faux, but he'll go in viewing them as "the opposition," hich they ARE.

2. The reason he's doing so many fundraisers is because Bush's donors gave him huge amounts of money, making more in the ones HE did than the amount Obama has made so far. He's the fundraiser in chief. He's doing this for his party.

3. He played more golf but cleared less brush and took WAY fewer vacation days and accomplished more than nearly any other president in this amount of time.

Nice try. :eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 10:46 AM
Response to Original message
16. signing off to the secret drug deal is probably the worst one
IMHO.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 12:21 PM
Response to Original message
19. Fuck that fucked up slanted ass shit and the horse it rode on......
that would be the right wing horse that started Politico.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 12:24 PM
Response to Original message
21. Ya think!.. I do
Edited on Tue Oct-27-09 12:33 PM by Peacetrain
I think about what I post before I go off half cocked... something to ponder
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 12:28 PM
Response to Original message
23. You're a joke.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 01:08 PM
Response to Original message
24. What a ridiculous comparison. How about some truth?
New Orleans:
According to FEMA, 76 of the 120 Louisiana reconstruction projects that were stuck at the beginning of his presidency have been resolved, sending more than $1.4 billion in additional federal aid to Louisiana.

Obama said officials from his administration have made 35 trips to the Gulf Coast since March — and "not just to make appearances, but to listen and to learn and help you move forward."

"People say he's going to be here a short little time, that's true," Nagin said. "Don't be fooled. This administration is focused on New Orleans."

The administration's recovery efforts have drawn praise from Republicans, too, including Gov. Bobby Jindal. Jindal has credited Obama's team with bringing a more practical and flexible approach to the process. "There's a sense of momentum and a desire to get things done," he said in August.

Dalai Lama:
He didn't "snub" the Dalai Lama, he postponed meeting him until after scheduled negotiations with China. Need I say why?

Secret Deal with Drug Makers:
And the effect on the HCR has been - what? HCR is moving forward and there is no evidence of a "secret deal" hindering it.

Freezing out a network:
That has been debunked as a distortion by Fox News.

Fundraisers:
Bush didn't need to do as many fundraisers - he used the DOJ.

Golf:
"Watch this drive!" Bush also did a lot more biking and "brush clearing" than Obama. Compare the amount of vacation time that Bush took to Obama, instead.

Bottom line - no comparison.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 01:11 PM
Response to Original message
26. Obama freezing out Fox "News" is absolutely correct.
Edited on Tue Oct-27-09 01:12 PM by Arkana
He should ignore them as long as they refuse to report the news and keep passing off opinion as fact.

And Bush DID do all those things.

EDIT: And I really don't think we'd give a shit if he stopped in NOLA for a few hours before a fundraiser. They did have a bigassed hurricane a few years back, and seeing as how the former President was too busy eating cake and strumming a guitar while it drowned, I don't think we'd take too much of an issue.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dr Robert Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 03:28 PM
Response to Original message
28. POLITICON!!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 03:31 PM
Response to Original message
29. Who is this Mike Allen at Politico..
the little fake asshole,did he climb out of Bush's ass yet? Is that you Mike?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu May 02nd 2024, 03:22 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC