List of Pundits who Declared the P.O. Dead (more added)

[ProSense]

List of Pundits who Declared the P.O. Dead (more added)


:rofl:

[Orrex]

1. Fantastic!

And most of the ones who aren't declaring it dead outright are now describing it as "back from the dead."

[Cha]

2. Thank you, PS..and we had to go

through everyone of these. I sent Jane an email back in August and told her I didn't appreciate her disingenuouness on President Obama not including a PO in the Bill..only she said.."It's become clear President Obama is not including a Public Option. Me.."No, Jane, it hasn't become clear".

Jane Hamsher:

Of course he’s not going to include a public option — as DC’s beltway class well knows, it’s been gone for a long time.


Rep. Dennis Kucinich:

"It’s my opinion that the blue dogs are doing exactly what the white house wants them to do. The public option was a trial balloon. I can not stress how cynical and brutal the politics are. This is not about the public option. Anyone looking for the public option needs to look someplace else. It is not going to happen and anybody who says it is is in fantasy land."

What do they know?

[katandmoon]

3. You know what? IT HASN'T PASSED YET.

[ProSense]

4. Not the point. It's in the bill. n/t

[phleshdef]

5. Still, the ones that declared it DEAD look like asses.

[Aramchek]

9. It will. Obama will sign a bill with the Public Option.

[SpartanDem]

6. Let's not forget about Mr. Super Progressive himself Dennis Kucinich

While people like Bernie Sanders, Jay Rockefeller and countless members in the House were out fighting for a public option this litte ray of sunshine was drumming up campaign donations predicting doom and gloom for the public option.

No Chuck Todd on that list? That tool was one of the worst of the MSM bunch.

Dear Kos Community,

It is said one should not ask how sausage or laws are made. Are you concerned about a public option? Let me share with you some insight about health care legislation which may not be good for your health.

A lesson in politics. The Kucinich Prediction: Here's what's going to happen ...

DennisKucinich's diary :: :: 1. House will make a big deal about keeping/putting a public option in HR3200 because it competes with insurance companies and will keep insurance rates low.

2. The White House will refer to the President's speech last week where he spoke favorably of the public option.

3. The Senate will kill the competitive public option in favor of non-competitive "co-ops". Senate leaders like Kent Conrad have said the votes to pass a public option were never there in the Senate.

4. The bill will come to a House-Senate Conference Committee without the public option.

5. House Democrats will be told to support the conference report on the legislation to support the President.

6. The bill will pass, not with a "public option" but with a private mandate requiring 30 million uninsured to buy private health insurance (if one doesn't already have it). If you are broke, you may get a subsidy. If you are not broke, you will get a fine if you do not purchase insurance.

This legislative sausage will be celebrated as a new breakthrough and will be packaged as health insurance reform. However, the bill may require a Surgeon General's warning label: Your Money or Your Life!

The bill that Congress passes may pale in comparison to the bill that millions of Americans will get every month/year for having or not having private health insurance.

It will take four years for the new legislation to go into effect. During that time, we are going to build a constituency of millions in support of real health care, a constituency which will be recognized and a cause which is right and just: Health Care as a Civil Right.

Join our efforts. Sign the petition. Contribute. Insure a democratic future.

Thank you.

Dennis

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/9/15/782607/-The-Private-Mandate-Sausage-Machine

[Ian David]

7. It was pining for the fjords after all. n/t

[inna]

8. wow. not even going to open the link in the OP, but what a new low.

- based on some posters' derogatory references to Jane Hamsher (of FDL) and Dennis Kucinich (of the US Congress).

:wtf:


last time i heard this was NOT the "DLC Underground", but.... maybe i missed something?

[ProSense]

10. You're shocked are you? Hamsher is a first rate distorter and don't forget

this

[inna]

11. that was a pure, classical projection re. Jane being "a first rate distorter" on your part.

the difference is that her reputation is impeccable.

[ProSense]

12. Impeccable?

no

[Cha]

17. Riiiight.. This is the first part of her email to me in August..

"Dear cha

Over the weekend it became clear that the Obama Administration wants to drop the public option from health care reform...blah blah blah"


My answer..

No, Jane, it didn't become clear to me at all that President Obama wants to drop Public Option.

I take the President at his word. I do believe in rewarding good behavior..I also believe in not supporting bad behavior.

There are many people out here who support the President by not passing disingenuous bad information.

Cha *****
New York

[Jane Austin]

23. Not with me it's not.

And nothing to do with health reform, either.

[Cha]

14. I know she's a first rate distorter and no

shame evidently.

I guess it's all about getting money from the perpetually disgruntled.

[SpartanDem]

21. I'm sorry are they somehow above reproach

more than any other who's said similar things?

[depakid]

13. Lawrence O'Donnell's had a terminal case of sour grapes since this all began

Didn't 'er done when he had the shot....

Nate was closer to the Schrödinger's cat approach- which is still my position!

[Jakes Progress]

15. It is dead.

They've just given the name "Public Option" to something that is not even close to a strong public option.

But any reason to party, right?

[ProSense]

16. Tell that to

Sherrod Brown

[Jakes Progress]

18. Citing the WPost are we?

Break out the champaign. Yea. We won. Yea. Insurance companies roll in tax wealth. Yea. No price controls. Yea.

Go ahead and celebrate. We know what's really happening. But you go ahead and celebrate.

[ProSense]

19. What?

:rofl:

[madamesilverspurs]

20. Well, after reading that list and those comments

the guy with the ripped abs in the ad at the bottom was a welcome surprise!

[TheWebHead]

22. It is dead...

Reid doesn't have 60 votes. This was done purely to tell the base: "We tried." The idea of State A opting out of a public option only to then subsidize an entitlement program for State B and C who opt in is fundamentally undemocratic. Not sure it has been done in the country's history.

[Jane Austin]

24. Kindly study up on Senate rules and procedures.

He only needs 60 votes to stop a filibuster, not to pass the bill.

[depakid]

25. Nobody should be surprised if the PO falls by the wayside

before the chamber approves a final bill, nor surprised if it then comes back from the dead in conference committee merger with the House's reform bill.

Then the public option would need only a simple majority in the Senate, a probable sure thing.