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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 10:42 AM
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"There's no question that President Obama wants and supports a public health insurance option"
Obama in...

June:

I strongly believe that Americans should have the choice of a public health insurance option operating alongside private plans.

October:

In his September 9th address to Congress, President Obama made clear that he supports the public option because it has the potential to play an essential role in holding insurance companies accountable through choice and competition. That continues to be the President's position.


Will Obama Press the Public Option?

By Max Fisher on October 26, 2009

There's no question that President Obama wants and supports a public health insurance option as a component of health care reform legislation. But, as congressional Democrats struggle to secure the votes needed to pass reform with a public option, will the White House make the provision a baseline requirement? Progressives worry, and moderates hope, that Obama will accept a softer compromise, such as Republican Sen. Olympia Snowe's proposed "trigger," which would implement a public option only if the insurance industry does not meet certain long-term goals.

The White House is looking for a political victory on health care, and if a public option looks unlikely or impossible to pass, Obama is unlikely to waste political capital on it. But his support may be the deciding factor. The White House blog insists that the administration backs Sen. Majority Leader Harry Reid's public option push, but not everyone sees action behind the words.

  • You Call That 'Support,' Obama? Liberal blogger Adam Green notes "the multiple-sourced news stories about the White House not lifting a finger to help Reid." Green scoffs at Obama's so-called support, channeling the progressive line that Obama should do more. "Expressing a preference for the public option is not the same as fighting for the public option. Telling Harry Reid 'good luck with that' is not the same as the president saying, 'I am there helping Reid fight for those final votes.'"

  • Uncertainty and Caution From White House The New Republic's Jonathan Cohn reports that Congressional Dems appreciate the support, "But they feel like President Obama could be doing more to help them, with one senior staffer telling TNR on Sunday that the leadership would like, but has yet to receive, a clear 'signal' of support for their effort." Cohn writes. "The administration responded by stating, clearly, it was not trying to undercut the Senate leadership. But it still did not go out of its way to support the opt-out--something the Senate leadership noticed, according to the senior staffer. <...> So (Obama)'s being careful--more careful, in fact, than some of his Senate allies would like."

  • Debate Can't Happen Without White House Washington Post health care blogger Ezra Klein shares Congress's exasperation with White House dithering. "If the White House wants to advocate for the trigger, fine. If the White House wants to advocate for the public option, fine. But for the White House to host one meeting where they signal that they're uncomfortable with Reid's decision to push the envelope on the public option and then make a big effort to walk that meeting back after the left gets angry is confusing everybody," he write. "But since the administration is considered the most important actor here, no one knows quite how to structure their strategy so long as the White House refuses to fully show its cards."

  • If Congress Has Votes, Obama Will Back Steve Benen insists that when the votes fall in line, so will Obama. "I don't think it's a substantive reluctance -- this doesn't seem to be a case in which the president actually prefers a trigger to the public option with the opt-out. It's entirely about pragmatism and vote-counting -- the White House isn't at all convinced the votes will be there for the better bill when push comes to shove," writes Benen, liberal blogger for Washington Monthly. "That said, as of yesterday, the president's team seems to be offering unequivocal support for Reid's preferred approach, which will no doubt be welcome news on the Hill."

  • Snowe's Trigger Is Dead Ezra Klein delivers the post-mortem. "If the trigger is to have any chance, it's going to have to go through a process in which liberals get their hands on it and decide if there is any incarnation they could possibly like. You could have imagined that a month or two ago, but it's getting a bit late in the game. Now the trigger is vying with other mid-range proposals that liberals like better, ideas that largely emerged because the trigger never moved from being Snowe's personal compromise to an actual compromise, in which various factions had agreed to make certain concessions to one another."

Summary: Obama, who has never stated support for a trigger, says his position hasn't changed. It's pretty clear the trigger only has a handful of supporters compared to the other plans. It's not clear why people believe that Obama has decide to push the plan with the least support, one that would likely not achieve his goals, when he continues to reiterate that his position hasn't changed.




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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 11:05 AM
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3. The reason people have these doubts is because he needs quell them.
And how about all this heaped-on praise of the awful bill approved by Sens. Snowe and Baucus?

I'm only going by what I've seen and read of the president. I keep waiting for that bold fighter I hope we elected to put a stake in the ground, put the screws to somebody, threaten a veto. I'm waiting for Harry Reid to say the President is fighting along side him or pushing hard for the public option. Something, anything. I'll gladly give the president the benefit of the doubt and see if he doesn't prove those who doubt him wrong. But it's not at all unreasonable for people to be nervous about the lack of commitment when his conviction is undermined by silence and inordinate deference to 'bipartisanship' and Olympia Snowe.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 11:09 AM
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4. " Something, anything. " Obviously that isn't good enough.
Obama could declare his support for a public option in the most specific terms and people would parse the words to fit their preconceived notions.

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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 11:20 AM
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7. I think the preconceived notion is that he's a fighter and that he has a liberal agenda.
How I wish that were so. The proof will be in the pudding, and then we will see.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 11:23 AM
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10. Irony: "How I wish that were so. The proof will be in the pudding, and then we will see."
Seems that you have already made up your mind without the pudding.

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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 11:50 AM
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17. My fingers are crossed, same as you. nt
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 11:22 AM
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9. You seem to be doing nthat on the other side
Mayb e some of us get too hard on the administration and Congress Dems, but all you seem to want is for us to cxheertlead Obama and the demos no matter what they do.

Obama has it in his power to fight for a real public option that would be open to everyone, and to stop leaving openings for triggers and excessive limitations on it.

he has given a handful of senators more power than himself by doing that.

If he truly wants a real public option -- not just a scam described as one -- then he ought to put his full weight behind and bring the recalcitrant Senators and congresspeople into line.


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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 11:27 AM
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11. "but all you seem to want is for us to cxheertlead Obama" by not believing BS rumors?
How do you know what the President is doing?

Obama will be right sometimes and wrong sometimes, but there is nothing cool about criticism just for the sake of criticism, especially when one has to twist logic to do so.

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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 11:47 AM
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15. You seem to think you know what he is doing as you ar always saying
of course he supports it.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 11:48 AM
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16. I have absolutely no idea what he's doing, except what he and his staff says he's doing
Now, who are your sources?

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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 11:55 AM
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18. LoL. Yes, I see you post the WH web site so often.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 11:58 AM
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19. You're laughing, but who are the sources that have convinced you that Obama isn't working toward
a public option?

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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 12:02 PM
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21. Correction. I do not think he is working hard enough towards a robust public
option. My source is my reading of various webs and papers.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 12:01 PM
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20. Thank you.
Amazing how there's this presumption about what Obama is doing when there's nothing to substantiate it except a nice speech and some wishy-washy statement on tv by Valerie Jarrett, or maybe something buried deep in a sentence he said 4 months ago. We're all hoping for the best, but then we all hoped indefinite detentions and DADT and Blackwater contracts would be repealed, too. Someimes I wonder, does Obama know he's President?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 12:04 PM
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24. "nothing to substantiate it except a nice speech and some wishy-washy statement " So the
anonymous sources trump Obama's own words and that of his staff?

What does your characterization of his words as weak have to do with the fact that his statement contradicts the rumors?

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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 12:19 PM
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25. I did not say "anonymous" and I did not say "weak."
I'm just saying talk is cheap. Preaching to the choir is cheaper. If Obama was really behind the public option, I mean really committed, I think we would know it and you would not even have needed to make this op. Obviously, many people have doubts.

Whether he is or is not committed to the p.o., he's not showing us the leadership that would put those doubts to rest. If he did, they would be gone in an instant.

This is nothing personal against you or anyone else who believes Obama is fully committed I admire your passion and your confidence in our president. I just don't happen to think he is doing what it will take to achieve a strong (no trigger) public option, from everything I have seen, read, and heard. But I honestly hope you are proven right and I am wrong in the end.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 12:29 PM
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26. "If he did, they would be gone in an instant." Really?
When Obama states that he strongly support a public option, when he said that any bill he signs must include a public option, when he made the case before Congress, none of these stopped the rumors "in an instant."

In fact, when reports qouted Axelrod saying that Obama would be working Congress to build support, people began complaining that he needs to say exactly what he plans to do.

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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 11:09 AM
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5. I can't keep up with you Prosense. But here's another one where O said he'd veto any bill w/o PO.
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bunnysoft Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 11:30 AM
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12. i think all we need is patience
Waiting and see is a better approach than speculating every single day about what politicians may or may not think about this issue.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 11:46 AM
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14. Yes just wait and see.
Do not under any circumstances voice an opinion. That would be detrimental to any progress. Just wait until you a served, then eat it without a peep.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 12:04 PM
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23. What do we want? Patience! When do we want it? Now!
Sorry. Couldn't help quoting Al Franken.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 11:31 AM
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13. K&R
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 12:04 PM
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22. Obama has been consistent in his support of the Public Option without looking like a Railroader
Edited on Mon Oct-26-09 12:04 PM by Aramchek
He doesn't have to quell the doubts of all the nervous nellies.

He just has to continue straight on ahead with the sure-footing he has demonstrated thus far.
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