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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-25-09 06:22 PM
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There are still reports that the WH is pushing a trigger, but answer this:
How does a trigger square with the AHIP report that insurance companies plan to raise rates?


Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) lowers the boom on health insurers and the fraudulent report they released yesterday... it's frankly a powerful argument for...a public plan."

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Why would Obama be pushing a trigger after the insurance industry admitted they'll raise rates?

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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-25-09 06:37 PM
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1. Why would Obama be pushing a trigger after the insurance industry admitted they'll raise rates?
Because Obama is more interested in building BI-partisanship than in advancing any progressive agenda.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-25-09 06:46 PM
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2. That makes no sense.
You are claiming that he is open to failure just to get a single Republican vote.

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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-25-09 06:51 PM
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4. Bingo he is willing to fail just to get a single Republican vote. If not you explain it
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-25-09 06:53 PM
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5. Maybe the rumors that he is pushing a trigger are BS
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-25-09 06:56 PM
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6. IS that why you started this thread?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-25-09 07:06 PM
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7. A lot of people have seen both the reports and the WH denial
and choose to believe the reports. I'm asking why because it doesn't make sense for the WH to be pushing a trigger. It's not like that's the only way to get a bill out of the Senate.

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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-25-09 07:11 PM
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8. it doesn't make sense for the WH to be ignoring baby bush's war crimes
it doesn't make sense for the WH to be handing hundreds of billions to the same thieves who caused the economic crisis
it doesn't make sense for the WH to be still ignoring the BBV issue
it doesn't make sense for the WH to be refusing to renegotiate NAFTA and the other flat earth trade policies.

When did you start demanding the our "Leaders" started to make sense?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-25-09 07:12 PM
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10. What? n/t
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-25-09 08:15 PM
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13. It doesn't make sense to presume that if the President snaps his fingers...
.... and says "jump!" the Democratic caucus will snap their fingers and demand to know, "How high sir!!!"
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-25-09 10:35 PM
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15. Amazing, isn't it? People write articles about "leaderless" Senate, as if Obama is the
leader of the Senate. Clinton failed to pass health care precisely because Congress didn't jump when he snapped his finger. Does that make Clinton a failure?

Obama seems to have decided on a an approach to ensure success. Pressuring Congress isn't his job alone.

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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-25-09 07:11 PM
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9. Obama has proven time and time again he is smarter than that.
His track record trumps your crap opinion.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-25-09 08:13 PM
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12. um...... there's a large segment of the voting population ...
...that doesn't care about pushing a progressive agenda? Until you can figure out a way to convince 51% of the voters to identify as progressive, it's a reality you have to accept.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 03:11 PM
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17. So no progressive should push his/he agenda until we are in the majority? Last I heard we were on HC
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-25-09 06:47 PM
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3. I'm convinced we don't know anything....especially the end game.
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-25-09 07:13 PM
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11. What doesn't make sense is to expect Obama to take on more than he all ready has.
Then again, thats why he is President and you are sitting there being an armchair pundit, foaming at the mouth about a bunch of unrealistic crap.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-25-09 10:30 PM
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14. I don't believe it
Obama has made many statements supporting a strong public option. I will only believe it if I hear it from his lips.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-25-09 10:46 PM
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16. I don't know that he is pushing a trigger
And if he is pushing a trigger he may only be pushing that the Senate use that approach going into confernece...

But to answer your question as if we knew that Obama was pushing a trigger for the final legislation, I don't see the info you cite as contradicting that. Obama could be confident that the insurance industry, like the scorpian on the frog in the native American fable, won't be able to stop themselves from acting in character and therefor will soon trigger off the trigger mechanism establishing a public option automatically, without anyone having to force centrist Senators from either party to either vote for setting up a public option now or voting against health care reform legislation that contained a non trigger public option.
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