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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 12:21 AM
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Poll question: What is causing Clark's rise?
Edited on Fri Jan-09-04 12:24 AM by AP
Sticking my finger to the wind and trying to get a sense of what is causing the surge for Clark.

I find it curious since Clark skipped the televised debate and wouldn't otherwise be making news this week. Yet he is.

Since I have no real sense of what's causing this, I'm more than willing to add suggestions.

What is causing Clark's rise in the polls?
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funky_bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 12:25 AM
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1. Yep... skipping Iowa
really hurt the general, huh? Didn't some on this board predict that would be "the end of him?"
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 07:51 AM
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29. it helps when you have Rove pulling for the general
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 12:28 AM
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2. tankology
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 12:28 AM
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3. As the primary/caucus dates close in, people start paying more attention
Polling gaps always narrow. People who were saying Dean or Kerry who now have had time to check out candidates are saying Clark. Bound to happen. His message is appealing, on the surface. He is a great package, on the surface.

The real issue is will polling positions change? Dean is slipping, that can't be denied, but I think that is natural. He will have to re-earn some lost supporters in a short period of time. It can be done, but he will have to kick his organization to work a bit harder. I have faith he'll pull it out in the end though.
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lurk_no_more Donating Member (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 12:29 AM
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4. Where's the "He's the only candidate that can win"
option?.....oops, wrong guy!


And then there were none!
” JAFO”

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 12:34 AM
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7. Yep,
I was looking for that one too...but had to settle :shrug:

But I will not settle on a candidate...I picked the best! I waited for him you know.

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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 12:48 AM
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11. That's covered in choice #1
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Clark4VotingRights Donating Member (795 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 12:31 AM
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5. My completely biased answer is that once people see/hear Clark
They can't help but be impressed.
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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 12:44 AM
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10. You speak the truth
This is the thing about Clark. Once you get up close and pay attention, he never stops making sense. I think this is what's happening. People get to know him and the rest is inevitable.
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maxr4clark Donating Member (639 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 12:31 AM
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6. This is a push poll, no reasonable answers allowed
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 12:49 AM
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12. How can it be a push poll? I said I don't know the answer and that I'd
add suggestions.

Do you have a suggestion?
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maxr4clark Donating Member (639 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 04:11 AM
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17. Sorry...
I truly don't know what I was thinking. Your choices are actually just fine, I misread them.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 12:35 AM
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8. I think its a combination of factors....
He regained his footing after a rocky start, he settled on a strategy, developed his speaking style and got comfortable in the role. His team evidently put together some kick ass advertising and he had the money to really use it in New Hampshire.

The debates, after the first few, are meaningless and not worth the time wasted. Clark, by skipping Iowa where he had little chance, could devote far more time and money to NH. The time, the ads, the personal attention all helped. Also, gradually, it became apparent that none of the others would catch fire. Kerry, Gephart, Edwards, Lieberman etc all are at or around where they started in the polls.

By consistently refraining from the rank personal attacks indulged in by most of the candidates, Clark kept himself above the fray so that when the time came for an anti-front runner to emerge, he was the obvious choice.
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Draven Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 12:39 AM
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9. I think it's because
people are supporting a REAL American patriot rather than a president who did nothing with the military except that he went AWOL and got drunk all the time. Wait....he did protect Texas from the Viet Cong and "flew" retired airplanes....:eyes: :silly:
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 12:53 AM
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13. I think it's reply 1
I know everybody has their own affiliations and affections. But when I first saw Clark for real (on CNN during the war), I just went "WOW"! I thought he was brilliant, articulate and commanding, and then I did a little research and found out he was far and away from the traditional Pentagon man.

I think as people start trying to decide and really look at him, they see somebody who is head and shoulders above 99% of the politicians in this country.

He's somebody my republican parents could vote for easily. He's someone their liberal son (me) could vote for easily. He has the intelligence, capability, resume and bearing of a truly great leader. As people see more of him, he's bound to rise.

We don't get candidates like him very often. It would be a shame if we missed this opportunity. But I'm not very worried about that. I think he'll win handily.
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 01:14 AM
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16. Absolutely. You said it well. n/t
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Clark Can WIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 12:57 AM
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14. I love Edwards
I have said before that he is a victim of his own good health. I would be proud to call him my President, but as an alternate scenario I hope that he has a place in the upcoming Clark administration.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 01:00 AM
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15. When you max out on Clark, click through my sig link and give Edwards $10
What say?
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 04:13 AM
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18. Clark got more attention by skipping Iowa than if he had stayed & played.
good move, but you can only afford to do that one once.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 07:15 AM
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25. More "alternative reality" from the Clark camp
Seriously, how can not participating ever be advantageous?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 04:16 AM
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19. People want to win, scared of Dean
The people who are scared to death of Dean and might normally back another candidate for a while are going for the General. They know we've got to get Bush out, Dean can't, the General can. Probably that simple.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 07:17 AM
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26. "The candyman can"
Clark has not proven that he can win one election. I am scared to death that if he was the candidate, he would be eviscerated in his first ever political campaign.
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burning bush Donating Member (539 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 04:19 AM
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20. It was the Speedos
Definitely the speedos.
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 04:24 AM
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21. Campaigning NH and one week of positive press...
The southern detour also helped gain national media attention. His performances on Hardball and MTP have been solid.
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kayleybeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 04:35 AM
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22. People are getting to know him
and the more they do, the more they like him. He's also been able to stay above the fray for the most part and people like the fact that he is running a clean campaign. Plus he's been getting a lot of media attention lately and that never hurts.
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Adjoran Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 05:31 AM
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23. I think Dean's problems did it in the short term
and they were inevitable. It is impossible to run a perfect campaign, and Dean had been doing just that for the last 6 months up until late November. Unfortunately, his mistakes have come in a bunch, at a time when he is the frontrunner heading into the actual voting. This is his first real test as a candidate; he can still come back and maintain his lead, but he has to tighten up right now.

Clark's surge in NH was probably inevitable. It is a small state, and you have to go around and actually meet almost all the voters. Many people will have met all the candidates before they vote. In that kind of retail politics, small groups and meetings, a general is always going to stand out.

The biggest change in the race will be if Dean continues to falter. It will then be wide open again. Kerry, Gephardt, and Edwards will have new life, and the primaries will head into areas where Lieberman's strength is, too. It's going to be interesting. The momentum has certainly shifted in Clark's direction in the last two weeks or so.
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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 07:48 AM
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28. his mistakes did NOT come in a bunch
the gaffs have been constant. he just ran out of free passes, and some of his supporters got tired of it. imagine spending months defending the roll bacl of MC tax xuts and then bingo...dean switches.
or the bennie gaffe...the one time i agreed with him and then bingo.

there is a limit to how much of this shit a normal person can take.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 07:09 AM
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24. Clark profits from Kerry's demise
And it works for me.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 07:42 AM
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27. The nomination is now Clark's to lose. (nt)
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 08:13 AM
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30. Huh?
At best he's in 2nd place but moving up. "The nomination is now Clark's to lose..."? Either you're trying to make a funny (if so, work on it) or, you need to explain your rather cryptic announcement.
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creativelcro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 08:59 AM
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31. LOL: Invetibaly
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