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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 03:03 PM Original message |
Kerry: Obama would be "irresponsible" to send more troops to Afghanistan now |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
1. Thank you, John Kerry. |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 08:03 AM Response to Reply #1 |
95. I welcome his input. |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 11:34 AM Response to Reply #95 |
106. He is absolutely correct in this. nt |
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slay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
2. I agree |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
3. I love Kerry, but seriously----I don't think he's in on meetings going on in the Situation room. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. No one but Obama can make a call, but Kerry is most definately able to give his opinion |
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politicasista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #4 |
23. They don't care. They see this a Kerry putting Obama on blast |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 05:49 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. Deleted message |
politicasista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 05:53 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. No need to be rude or harsh. I support them both. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 06:18 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Don't you think it' a bit rude of you to presume much about my post?! |
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politicasista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 06:22 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. I am not a rude poster. Never bother anyone here |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 07:16 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Note your post....you didn't use the words but did imply it. |
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politicasista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 07:26 PM Response to Reply #41 |
50. Well, if you were offended, |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 09:40 PM Response to Reply #33 |
75. Maybe it was easy to draw such a conclusion based on the tone of your reply. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 09:43 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. How was I dismissive? |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 11:28 PM Response to Reply #77 |
92. Maybe it was the" but seriously"......... comment. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 03:12 AM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Ahh....I see. However, that's not the intention. |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 01:27 PM Response to Reply #94 |
110. I understand. No harm meant. n/t |
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politicasista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-19-09 03:44 PM Response to Reply #110 |
126. Right. No harm meant at all. |
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rtassi (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #77 |
108. Perhaps it was the line about being in the situation room ... like any one |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 06:45 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. I seriously doubt he is not privy to anything in that room |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 07:20 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. I agree with you and see your point. |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 09:41 PM Response to Reply #36 |
76. Well said. n/t |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 06:21 PM Response to Reply #4 |
34. That's not what I'm implying at all. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 06:59 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Would you have said that of Bush? |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 07:13 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. What does Bush have to do with anything?! |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 08:21 PM Response to Reply #39 |
61. No you didn't mention Bush, nor do I think Obama and Bush are similar |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 09:45 PM Response to Reply #61 |
80. Understood. This is what I wasn't aware of. Thanks for explaining. |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 07:25 PM Response to Reply #34 |
49. The man is the head of the SFRC. If he and Levin are not privy of most information, there is a |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 07:30 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. You explained that below and karynnj had explained the role... |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 04:19 PM Response to Reply #3 |
12. And no one in the situation room knows that region better than Kerry. And Obama knows it and |
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politicasista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. delete n/t |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 06:13 PM Response to Reply #12 |
31. So are you telling me that Kerry is in the situation room meetings? |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 07:21 PM Response to Reply #31 |
45. Are you saying you know what Obama thinks? |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 07:42 PM Response to Reply #45 |
53. Where in my post did I even imply that I know what the President thinks. |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 09:12 AM Response to Reply #53 |
98. May be because I was not aware you were missing the fact that Kerry is the head of the SFRC. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 09:04 AM Response to Reply #31 |
97. Not what I said - I said no one IN that room knows the region and its history more than Kerry. |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 07:12 PM Response to Reply #3 |
38. No, he is not, but, as the head of the SFRC, he is giving his opinion. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 07:21 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. Understood. Karynnj, just explained that to me. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 07:24 PM Response to Reply #38 |
48. Just as he said he would, even if he was not in agreement with President Obama |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 07:48 PM Response to Reply #3 |
55. Separation of powers. He is a member of CONGRESS. Speaking his mind FROM Afghanistan. nt |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 08:14 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. Right this was explained to me by Karynnj and Mass explained...thank you. n/t |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 09:34 PM Response to Reply #3 |
73. His opinion has been sought by the President. n/t |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 09:46 PM Response to Reply #73 |
81. Yeah, it's been stated by 2 people before and I gave them the credit for it. |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 11:09 AM Response to Reply #3 |
103. I Just Watched The Movie "Lions For Lambs" & Posted My Comment Under |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
5. I just saw this - you beat all of us JK group people here! |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 04:29 PM Response to Reply #5 |
16. Exactly - it forces McChrystal to be responsible for HIS OWN WORDS of caution. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
6. As an advisor and ally of the Prez, I don't like to see him trying to box Obama in. |
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TayTay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. I don't think he is boxing Obama in |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. He can certainly give his opinion on the troop increase in less-judgmental terms. |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 07:51 PM Response to Reply #11 |
56. The CNN interview has been excerpted partially. Let's see it in context tomorrow. nt |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 04:19 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. How do you know that this is not done to make a solid case for the direction Obama wants to take |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 07:19 PM Response to Reply #6 |
42. I don't think he should make his case in private. |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 11:15 AM Response to Reply #6 |
104. MAYBE If Someone HAD Advised LBJ Way Back When... He Wouldn't Have |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-19-09 08:32 AM Response to Reply #104 |
122. Exactly right. Do we WANT Obama kicking himself in the ass 2 or 20yrs from now because he listened |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 08:38 PM Response to Reply #6 |
119. Unless of course this is what Pres. Obama was thinking also. |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
7. K&R. I agree. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
8. K&R Thank you, John. |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
9. Thank you, Sen. Kerry. |
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politicasista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
14. Kick for |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 04:26 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. why would they? Obama probably WANTS Kerry to stand tough on this to rein in the hawks |
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politicasista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 04:32 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. No, I mean his most ardent supporters here at DU |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 04:46 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Actually, Kerry is cleverly using McChrystal's own words to make the point. No doubt Obama is aware |
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politicasista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 04:49 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. I am sure Obama is aware of that |
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ObamaKerryDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 04:55 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. I 2nd that kick |
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harkadog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
22. Kerry has never held a meeting with McChrystal. Why? |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 05:38 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. He met with him the other day in Afghanistan. n/t |
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harkadog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 05:45 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. I am talking about a Senate hearing with his committee. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 08:35 PM Response to Reply #28 |
64. Read my quote from Lugar - invitations were declined by the Obama administartion |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 07:16 PM Response to Reply #22 |
40. Kerry met with McChrystal this week - that is why he was in Afghanistan |
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harkadog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 08:28 PM Response to Reply #40 |
63. None of the hearings have included the commander. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 08:47 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. Speak to the Obama administration |
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harkadog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 09:13 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. I did "bother" to see one of the hearings |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 09:31 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Sorry, it appeared to me that you were implying that he intentionally |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
24. Not sure the prez will appreciate his choice of words. nt |
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politicasista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 05:29 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. We shall see |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 07:55 PM Response to Reply #25 |
57. Do you have a link to that? I read J & J from time to time, but |
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politicasista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 08:05 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. That's ok |
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TayTay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 10:26 PM Response to Reply #58 |
91. Ah, it is possible to have people playing and inside and outside role |
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politicasista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-19-09 03:38 PM Response to Reply #91 |
124. That makes sense |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 01:14 PM Response to Reply #58 |
107. I don't know. I think it is a liberal site that is for the public option. |
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politicasista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-19-09 03:43 PM Response to Reply #107 |
125. You're right |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 07:23 PM Response to Reply #24 |
47. Why wouldn't he? Kerry has a responsibility to be frank. |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
26. A man of his own mind. This is a practical approach in a time of turmoil. n/t |
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The_Casual_Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 06:18 PM Response to Original message |
32. Apparently Kerry has been left out if the loop. Rumor has it they are |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 07:21 PM Response to Reply #32 |
46. Or, Kerry objects strongly to it and it pro-actively putting out a very strong statement against it |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 07:27 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. Or the rumor is wrong, and pushed by people who try to make it a fait accompli. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 08:23 PM Response to Reply #51 |
62. He hasn't - and in the article I quoted - it said that he wanted |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 09:47 PM Response to Reply #46 |
82. Great comments from Senator Kerry. n/t |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 08:19 AM Response to Reply #46 |
96. I'm thrilled that Kerry and Biden are speaking out. This is EXACTLY what we need. |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 09:12 PM Response to Reply #32 |
69. Highly doubtful that Kerry would be out of... |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 09:45 PM Response to Reply #32 |
79. Where is that rumor coming from? And, if there is any truth to it, |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
54. Good. |
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burning rain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 08:07 PM Response to Original message |
59. Good for Kerry. |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
65. Wow, food fight!!! |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 08:42 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. What a bizarre response. n/t |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 09:36 PM Response to Reply #65 |
74. "food fight"??? |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 09:53 PM Response to Reply #74 |
85. No, it's my response to the back and forth between some of you. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 09:59 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. In general, it was pretty civilized |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 10:04 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. I think that someone was told to STFU, but it was deleted. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 10:17 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. I know but in a thread with over 70 comments, that really doesn't make it a food fight |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 10:24 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. I think that as many others have found before, Afghanistan is a losing proposition. |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 09:49 PM Response to Reply #65 |
83. I see nothing amusing about this post. n/t |
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Garam_Masala (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
68. I like VP Biden's strategy for Afghanistan |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 09:51 PM Response to Reply #68 |
84. Biden, like Kerry have a better assessment and experience to back up their strategy and opinions. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
71. I have to agree with Senator Kerry |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
78. Video |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 09:56 PM Response to Reply #78 |
86. Thanks ProSense. He makes so much sense. n/t |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 01:21 AM Response to Original message |
93. Very interesting |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
99. Hooray . . .!!! |
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Kdillard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
100. Kerry and Biden are the two people I am glad are on the President's |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 10:03 AM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Yes, I totally agree. They both have a lot of experience and insight to offer Obama right now. |
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PopSixSquish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
102. Rahm Emanuel Said Basically the Same Thing on State of the Union |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
105. Afghanistan = Mega FAIL! nt |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
109. Kerry is providing cover for Obama's soon to be announced decision |
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rtassi (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. You a very astute! n/t |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #109 |
113. I hope you are right |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
112. It is irresponsible to keep our troops in Afghanistan at all |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 07:46 PM Response to Reply #112 |
117. The CBS interview was strong |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 06:20 PM Response to Original message |
114. NYTimes sees it differently. |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 07:36 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. I guess we all see what we want to see. nt |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 07:41 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. The NYT is not even internally consistent, here is their other article currently up on |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 08:34 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. The NYT misses the mark on this, at this time I would say Sen. Kerry is noncommittal to more troops. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 08:46 PM Response to Reply #118 |
120. I agree - he is still speaking of strategy |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-19-09 06:06 AM Response to Original message |
121. Good for Kerry. |
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joeycola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-19-09 08:40 AM Response to Reply #121 |
123. +1 |
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