Why Kerry is going to get Harkin endorsement

[MIMStigator]

Because his campaign said he was going to get a major state endorsement and why would they say that if it was going to be a small time playa.

Harkin can't endorse Dean now because Dean dissed Iowa about the caucuses

[LuminousX]

1. It will be interesting if Harkin does

If Dean is going to falter, I want Kerry to rise up and take the lead.

[Closer]

126. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

another one?!?!?!?!?



OMG, I am ROLLING IN THE FLOOR HERE!!!!!!!



Double pie in the face, and OH such a deserving one.




God, sometimes life is just too damned funny (and ironic)

[slinkerwink]

2. yeah, that's true, the death knell is in for the Dean campaign

When Harkin endorses Kerry tomorrow, I'll be changing my Dean avatar to a Kerry avatar. Clearly Kerry can't be beaten in IA with the Harkin endorsement and this will help him get serious momentum in NH, and then he'll beat out Clark for second place, and get the other states.

[MIMStigator]

5. Kerry won't get any southern states

If Dean loses iowa he might not even win NH

[LuminousX]

10. If Kerry wins Iowa

This is a whole new ballgame. It guarantees a 2nd place finish in New Hampshire and when all is said and done, the party machine that was primed for Kerry to carry the battle standard of the party will kick in in the South and across the nation.

I am even willing to bet the Dean machine would transition easier to Kerry than any other campaign.

But I'm getting ahead of myself. Dean is still leading in Iowa and New Hampshire and most of this stuff today will pass with little concern in middle America.

[Renew Deal]

13. Here is what could happen.

Harkin endorses Kerry. Kerry gets 5-8 point boost. Dean drop some, Gep drops some, Edwards drops a little. Makes it a neck and neck 3 way race. Then who knows.

If Kerry is 1st, he has big mo going to NH. Hurts Clark and Dean.

If Dean wins, Kerry second... Helps Kerry, Keeps Gep alive for a few weaks. Dean hurt (possibly big)

If Dean wins, Kerry third... No biggie

If Dean third... (Dean hurt bad)

[MIMStigator]

14. Dean will be third if it happens eom

eom

[mouse7]

50. Nope. Read #48. n/t

[lurk_no_more]

18. I may join you

Stick a fork in dean Mary, he's done.


And then there were none!
” JAFO”

[mouse7]

49. Nope. Read #48 n/t

[Raya]

53. Is everyone crazy here? NoWay Harkin Takes Political Risk of Bucking Dean

It is 50/50 that Dean/Gore takes over the Party Machine this year.
It is 50/50 that Clark/Clinton runs the Party Machine this year.

Kerry is not part of the story.

Harkin is in trouble if he is on the wrong side of Both Stories.

[slinkerwink]

54. you're right---Harkin won't endorse Dean

after all, the Dean campaign is going down in flames, right?

[JaneQPublic]

3. That rumor has been updated

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2004/01/08/kerry_to_get_major_endorsement.html

Kerry To Get "Major" Endorsement

Sen. John Kerry's campaign announced he "will receive the endorsement of a prominent state leader at an event in Davenport, Iowa" on Friday.

Update: While several Political Wire readers speculate Sen. Tom Harkin will back Kerry, a prominent journalist emails to says it's probably about an endorsement by Rep. Leonard Boswell (D-IA).

[JaneQPublic]

6. Oh, look, the Harkin rumor originated from READERS of Political Wire

Not from anyone inside the Harkin camp, not from the Kerry camp, not from Harkin himself, but from READERS of an online political gossip page.

Gosh, then it must be true! /sarcasm

edited for omitted word.

[MIMStigator]

8. Where is the update it just says a journalist doesn't think so

eom

[JaneQPublic]

21. So it's a "prominent journalist" VS. "several Political Wire readers"

Jeez take either side you want, but this story is thin as single-ply toilet paper.

As I said before on another thread, we'll know who Harkin endorses when he makes his statement, if he endorses anyone at all.

[GobGoober]

24. "but this story is thin as single-ply toilet paper"

And just like that single-ply toilet paper, one slipup and you're in deep shit.

:evilgrin:

[MIMStigator]

26. i take the side of several political wire readers n/t

nt/

[GobGoober]

29. You do that!

I'll bet you're probably right. Hell, I may even have to trade in old Mr. ZigZag's friend for a Kerry avatar myself!

[quinnox]

4. I'm not sure

I thought it could be Harkin, but it also could just be some high state official.

It would be a major endorsement, potentially huge, if Harkin does endorse Kerry.

[slinkerwink]

7. it's going to be Harkin for Kerry---you have my word on it

[quinnox]

11. Well, if true that would be great news (speaking as a Kerry supporter)

but I'll believe it when I see it.

[cindyw]

12. Love the Sarcasm

n/t

[NewYorkerfromMass]

16. You seem to have better info than I

and you'll put up a Kerry avatar? :jawdrops:

[GobGoober]

34. I've been pretty much staying out of this whole primary thing

but this is looking good for Kerry, might have to get into this thing now!

[dfong63]

52. i'll believe it when i see it

[JI7]

9. don't get my hopes up like this

without facts. will be a huge let down if it doesn't happen.

[cindyw]

17. Don't let it get to you.

That's kinda the point of saying it is Harkin. They want you to feel let down. Low expectations are a politicians best friend these days.

[JI7]

22. true, i support kerry with or without endorsement

my support for kerry has nothing to do with the endorsements. i'm proud to support him no matter what. that will never change. but i would like to see him get a boost with other voters. but my support for kerry will never change.

[Dookus]

15. I think it's a big unknown right now.....

A Harkin endorsement would help Kerry a fair amount, but it wouldn't clinch anything for him. It would probably give him a better showing in Iowa that he could then use to bump himself on NH.

But will it be enough of a bump? Anything less than a solid second in NH is probably a killer for Kerry. His numbers there are dropping like lead. A good showing in Iowa will allow him to remain the race for a bit, but I don't know if it will make or break his run.

I still maintain Gephardt is the one to watch out for here.

Dean's expectations (or rather, the expectations of everybody else) require him to win or place strongly in IA, and have a convincng win in NH. A Kerry surge in Iowa could hurt that, but I still think a Gephardt surge could do the most damage to Dean, Kerry AND Clark.

[LuminousX]

19. Just out of curiousity, what if Harkin does endorse Dean

before the caucus? Will that have any impact on your opinion of Dean?

[slinkerwink]

20. we know what happened when Gore and Bradley endorsed Dean

it had no effect on the people of DU while elsewhere it had an effect on those in the rest of America.

[LuminousX]

25. What I find interesting is if Harkin DOESN'T endorse Dean

it is a major blow to the Dean campaign, while if he DOES endorse Dean, it apparently won't mean anything. Interesting double standard.

[MIMStigator]

27. it will mean votes for whoever

eom

[MIMStigator]

23. no but he would win Iowa /eom

eom

[quinnox]

32. No, but I think Dean's chances to win Iowa

would be greatly enhanced if Harkin endorsed him.

[in_cog_ni_to]

28. Dean dissed the caucuses

Dean insulted congress, Dean told lies about Kucinich. Dean told lies about Clark. His foot has been IN his mouth more than out of it. Harkin would look really bad if he endorsed that guy (Dean).

[slinkerwink]

30. I know and that's why I'm glad Harkin is going to endorse Kerry

when that happens, I'll be changing my avatar.

[cindyw]

33. your wit is astounding

I'll sit by the computer waiting for your endorsement. No really I will.

[hellhathnofury]

132. Foot in mouth.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

35. You mean your sig

and Kerry plays plenty of guitar himself so you should be fine there.

[LuminousX]

31. Just like Conyers looked bad and Paul Simon? Those losers.

But Harkin should endorse Kerry if he doesn't think Dean is the right stuff and then we can pump Kerry up. I'd much prefer Kerry over Clark.

[Hep]

80. Harkin's looking pretty bad right now, isn't he?

Pretty bad indeed.

[hellhathnofury]

36. The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

[jburton]

37. Senatorial consideration

I would think that working with Kerry in the Senate all of these years might give him a little boost with Harkin. Just the whole Senatorial congeniality or whatever.

But who knows?

[GobGoober]

38. Weren't they both freshmen Senators the same year?

Like '84 or something?

[NewYorkerfromMass]

40. entered same year (84)

also, Harkin is 4 years older than Kerry, and they are fellow Vietnam Navy vets- (although Harkin was a pilot). Most importantly- they both voted yes on IWR, and Harkin could help Kerry immensely by adding his perspective.

[slinkerwink]

41. yes, they were both freshman senators in 84

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

39. *

[hellhathnofury]

128. ?

[John_H]

42. As a Clark supporter, I sure hope not.

Gep winning is best. Dean is just fine. Kerry is trouble.

[slinkerwink]

44. why? You know Kerry has a domestic record and Clark doesn't....

yeah....this spells trouble for Clark.

[MIMStigator]

45. Kerry's domestic record is IWR, Clark has nothing to worry about

eom

[LuminousX]

46. LOL - Kerry's domestic record would bury Clark

But both have to go through Dean first. And if Dean falls, Kerry is my guy to take on Clark.

[cindyw]

47. 2nd on the LOL.

I really like Clark, so don't make me put him down to defend Kerry. Kerry's domestic accomplishments take 4 pages to list in the campaign literature.

[thebigthink]

56. "IWR?" I'm so sick of hearing this.

Referring to H. J. RES. 114 (2002) as the "Iraqi War Resolution" betrays a real simple-mindedness and/or a complete ignorance of the events of the last two years. It was certainly no such thing and anyone who doesn't know that, certainly should. That resolution was intended to stop or at least delay a war, not start one.

In August of 2002, the Bushies had already decided that the original Gulf War resolution, along with various UN resolutions from before Desert Storm and since, already gave them the authority to send troops into Iraq without asking congress. At that point, it would have taken an explicit act of Congress to stop them and given the Republican-controlled House and the mood of the country at the time, there wasn't much chance of that.

In September of 2002, they were already strapping on their gun belts and had no intention of going to Congress or the UN for any new resolutions. They were going in. Then, it suddenly seemed that cooler heads had prevailed.

There was speculation at the time that Bush I (who for all his faults, wasn't completely ignorant of the world outside our borders) had staged an intervention. It also began to look like Powell had won a power struggle and we were going to start running foreign policy out of the State Dept again, instead of the Pentagon.

Whatever the reason (and my guess is that Karl Rove had simply figured out a way to use it to political advantage), Bush was somehow persuaded to ratchet it down a notch and go back to Congress for a new resolution. Even then, the White House proposed a draft resolution titled "Further Resolution on Iraq," in line with their position that they already had the authority to go to war, and amounted to a single sentence.

"The president is authorized to use all means that he determines to be appropriate, including force, in order to enforce the United Nations Security Council resolutions referenced above, defend the national security interests of the United States against the threat posed by Iraq, and restore international peace and security in the region."

But Democrats and a surprising number of Republicans were insistent that diplomacy and further UN inspections be pursued before going to war in Iraq. Amended alternative resolutions were circulated. One that got a lot of backing was authored jointly by Senators Biden and Lugar. It required the president to go back to the UN and exhaust all available diplomatic avenues before resorting to the unilateral use of military force.

Bush whined that he didn't want a resolution that "tied his hands." But in the face of opposition from most Democrats and many in his own party, he finally backed down and accepted a compromise resolution that was nearly identical to the Biden-Lugar resolution in most important respects.

Anyone with any interest in knowing what they're talking about when they talk about it, can read it here:

http://usinfo.state.gov/regional/nea/iraq/text/1010res.htm

(You can really skip over everything that begins with "Whereas" and just read the part that begins with "Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled.")

Of course Bush then went to the UN, fed them a bunch of bogus intel that they didn't buy, short-circuited the inspection process and invaded unilaterally anyway. But it wasn't because Congress didn't try to slow him down. The FUBAR in Iraq is the Bush administration's karma and theirs alone. I'm frankly surprised you would want them to share the credit with anyone else.

[maxr4clark]

55. anything but a landslide for Dean in Iowa

Will be helpful to Clark. I'm just analyzing here. If Kerry is going to be a major contender, Clark either will or won't be able to overmatch him. Right now, though, Clark's problem is Dean.

I have to say I'm proud that the things I see Clark doing in New Hampshire (C-SPAN etc) are about Clark, not about Dean or Kerry. I think it will do Clark a lot of good, especially after he is elected (if he is elected...), to have run a clean campaign.

[IndianaGreen]

43. Kerry supports PATRIOT Act and the Occupation of Iraq

Now explain to me how you are going to get people that oppose PATRIOT and the war to go to the polls in November and vote for pro-PATRIOT and pro-IWR Kerry?

Thank you.

[LuminousX]

51. By November IWR won't be an issue

It will all be about Kerry's rhetoric after IWR vote, which has been fairly consistent, although carefully nuanced.

Kerry's history protects him for the most part. I think in a Kerry Clark clash, Kerry wins hands down.

[sandnsea]

59. He does not support Patriot Act

Why in god's green earth do you say such things? He did not support this war. He is the first one that came out and said we've got to turn this Iraq mess over to the UN to end the sense of American occupation. He does not support the U.S. occupying Iraq.

Would it really be the end of the world if the most liberal candidate besides Kucinich got elected? What is wrong with people. Aaaagggh!!!

[HFishbine]

81. Doesn't support the Patriot Act. Didn't want the war.

Just voted for both.

[mouse7]

48. To end Gephardt's campaign and give Dean a huge boost

Kerry is done. If Harkin endorses Kerry, all it will do is boost Kerry's terrible numbers a little and end any chance Gephardt has of catching up.

That means Dean gets the big boost out of Iowa entering NH as well a a couple of Clark-free media days.

That would probably stabilize his poll position in NH.

[tedoll78]

57. Bingo!

That was close to my theory. If Dean finishes first in Iowa with Kerry second and Gephardt third, Kerry gets a boost in New Hampshire - which stops Clark from placing second there.

[stickdog]

58. The nomination is now Kerry's to lose. (nt)

[Freddie Stubbs]

60. Harkin can and will endorse who ever he wants to

And he wants to endorse Howard Dean.

:party:

[IrateCitizen]

61. Are you ready to swallow your crow, MIMStigator?

Tom Harkin just endorsed Howard Dean.

Kerry, however, did get an endorsement from an IA state official.

[LuminousX]

62. oops

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/01/09/politics1325EST0614.DTL

[Hep]

63. Kick for Dancing Bear.

n.t

[Hoppin_Mad]

64. LOL ! WRONG ! You really missed on THAT prognostication ! -eom-

[Padraig18]

65. I love it when 'crystal balls' go bad...

:evilgrin:

[NewYorkerfromMass]

66. This in your face attitude is a real turn off

man and no votes yet....

[frank frankly]

71. agreed

less gloating is better...

[dajabr]

74. Sour grapes turn me off...

And there's a lot of puckering going on in your thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=89835&mesg_id=89835

Why not grab MIMstigator and drop by the announcement thread to foster some good will?

[Hep]

78. Suck it up. Kerry supporters brought this on themselves

If you can't take it, you are always welcome to not dish it out.

[w4rma]

67. ****FLASH****Tom Harkin to endorse Dean News Conference at 4pm ET

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=89653

Iowa Sen. Harkin to endorse Dean
MIKE GLOVER, Associated Press Writer
Friday, January 9, 2004
©2004 Associated Press
(01-09) 10:45 PST DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) --
…
"He's the Harry Truman of our generation," Harkin said in interview with The Associated Press. "Howard Dean is really the kind of plain-spoken Democrat we need."
…
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/01/09/politics1325EST0614.DTL

[TexasSissy]

68. This is immature and unnecessary. Grow up.

[Padraig18]

70. Actually, it's not.

Or at least no more immature than what our campaign endures here on a daily basis...

[TexasSissy]

73. I'm not a Kerry supporter. But it's not good form to kick someone

when he's down. It should be enough to gloat over what you've just received without trying to rub someone else's nose in it.

Kerry is no threat. His supporters are no threat. Grow up and behave like a supporter of someone who would be President.

[w4rma]

75. I posted that information to prevent this thread from misleading

folks into thinking that Harkin might still endorse someone other than Dean.

I'd like an apology.

[Hep]

77. Screw that. They've been kicking for months and months

They deserve what they get and more.

[Name removed]

85. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Hep]

87. Wow, thanks!

Thanks for the flattery! Maybe there should be a poll to verify your assertion.

[Padraig18]

82. As soon as I can remove the "Kick Me!" sign from my campaign's back...

I might consider that. However, I find this call for civility rather hollow, considering the daily flame fest that takes place here at GD-P2-2004, with most Kerry supporters cheerfully piling on with everyone else.

[w4rma]

72. Like heck it is. The information is quite appropriate to this thread, IMHO

It is a fact. It is what happened.

[Hep]

76. Ouch

I know I know. But damn. To get it so wrong, SO WRONG!

[Capn Sunshine]

69. Kick

that's all I'll say.
Scoreboard.

[MIMStigator]

79. OK eating delicious crow BUT

No Dean supporter argued with me so you must having big doubts about your candidate.

:hi:

[Atlant]

83. Sometimes, we know enough to just wait. Worked pretty well this time, no?

(NT)

[MIMStigator]

84. uh huhhhhhh

Dean supporters are just that way huh.

[janx]

88. Well...the whole campaign is like that. We are part of the

campaign.

You're always free to join us.

[MIMStigator]

89. If you thought he was gonna get it you would have said

Nobody rushed to correct my wrong prediction!

[slinkerwink]

92. because we wanted you to eat crow.....

and there was so much hypocrisy on this thread, cheering for Harkin when he "endorsed" Kerry, but much jeering when Harkin endorsed Dean instead.

[Atlant]

94. There was no need to correct you. :-)

> Nobody rushed to correct my wrong prediction!

As you can now see, there was no need to correct you.
The other day, you were busy trying to play our friend
and sucker us in. Why should any of us have helped to
prevent you from stepping in it today?

But seriously, Janx is right: There is ALWAYS room
for you at our table if you should choose to truly join us.

Atlant

[MIMStigator]

96. I will

join you if Dean is nominated, we'll all go to the polls and lose together.

:hi:

[Atlant]

98. Well, we'll go to the polls together. But don't bet on losing. :-) (NT)

[janx]

97. There was some talk, but nothing in politics is absolutely

certain until it happens.

Also, it would be fairly rude to gloat and say "NO! We hear that Harkin's going to endorse OUR candidate!" or something like that.

That would have been childish.

[Hep]

86. Didn't argue with you?

So my not dignifying your comments with a reply is me being worried? As I've told Dean opponents so many times, I go where I go and I do what I do. I know my job for the primaries. I know my responsibilities. Whether Harkin endorses Dean or Mama Dip, my job stays the same.

Enjoy your crow. Your best bet will be to develop a taste for it and QUICK.

[LuminousX]

90. None of us had crystal balls or the ability to read Harkin's mind

so why would we pretend to know what he was going to do.

Or, some of us may have been giving you enough rope....

[MIMStigator]

91. This crow would taste worse if you would have fought for your guy

It's not so bad tho cause I think most of you agreed with me.

[Hep]

93. Yeah, it's always better to spout off without knowing the facts

n/t

[MIMStigator]

95. you say voters will elect Dean so why not Harkin will endorse unless

unless you didn't think he would

[Hep]

100. Wow, more assertions without facts. Some people never quit!

I never said they will elect Dean. Never seriously as a prediction. In fact, I've often said that not one vote has been cast and that this is why we have elections. I just said that today as a matter of fact. So I wonder why on earth you would want to misrepresent me. To protect yourself? TO save face? Baffling I tell ya.

[Lobo_13]

99. The difference being

that while you were "helping" your candidate by poisoning the well, Dean volunteers were actively trying to get the nomination by contacting Harkins office.

We had better things to do, obviously.

[Hep]

101. I think it worked

Yup.

[RevolutionStartsNow]

105. LOL You have no idea how badly we were biting our tongues

Why argue with you and explain why Harkin would never endorse Kerry? Much more fun to let you build it up and up and up, and then....POP!

While you all were drooling about Harkin endorsing Kerry, the Sen. was working out the details with Dean's staff in Burlington...and we just sat here and watched...it was DELICIOUS.

[Cheswick2.0]

108. We knew he was going to endorse Harkin

We weren't positive but pretty damn sure. We really enjoyed your MIM.

[Melinda]

102. BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the hoots 'n giggles all-knowing-seer... your thread made my day!!!

:evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin:

[slinkerwink]

104. *winks*

[goobergunch]

103. ROTFLMAO!!!! (n/t)

[Cheswick2.0]

107. I see your ROTFLMAO!!!! and raise you a HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!

N/T

[drfemoe]

106. Harkin Endorses Dean

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040109_1524.html

Iowa Sen. Harkin Endorses Howard Dean
Iowa Sen. Tom Harkin Endorses Dean, Giving Embattled Front-Runner a Boost Before State Caucuses

[quaker bill]

109. Bullseye.

You really nailed that one!

[quaker bill]

110. Bullseye.

You really nailed that one!

[slinkerwink]

112. we all have crystal balls that we can see in.....*lol*

[Padraig18]

111. "Harkin can't endorse Dean now because Dean dissed Iowa about ..."

I still giggle reading that line! :P

[janx]

118. I know. He didn't diss Iowa about anything, and Iowans

are not stupid. They're aware of the spin and of what's going on.

Our news media have become so pathetic. The American people get little respect from politicians and the media.

[RevolutionStartsNow]

113. This is from The Note:

The Hill's tipsheet has this to say on the Harkin Primary: "Despite pressure from the Howard Dean camp and other campaigns, expect Senator Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) to remain neutral in the days leading up to the Jan. 19 Iowa caucus. Though Dean supporters hope to get Harkin's endorsement, which would all but clinch Dean's victory in Iowa, the lawmaker will not upset his three Senate colleagues also vying for the nomination."

Oh how sweet it is!

[Capn Sunshine]

114. Someday, all these guys inside the beltway will awaken

and find there's a real campaign running at street level that they are not a part of, since they were too afraid to come out of their offices.

[janx]

119. Let alone venture west of the Ohio River, unless on vacation.

Although I hope Geppy gets back to St. Louis from time to time.

[burning bush]

115. Please, Somebody KILL THIS THREAD, and put it out of its misery! LOL!

No wait, on second thought, let's kick it to death.

:kick:

Note = Never make a promiss that you can't keep, or a prediction that you cant fulfill.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

116. kick

:kick:

[burning bush]

117. Oh yeah, and "Dewey Defeats Truman" too...

[ozone_man]

120. Even Harkin referred to Dean today as being like Truman.

Funny how that works, the Truman phenomenon.

[quaker bill]

121. I am not sure which part I like best

This one

"One candidate rose to the top as our best shot to beat George Bush and give Americans the chance to take our country back. That person is Governor Howard Dean...."

or this one

Harkin praised Dean's straightforward approach to campaigning, saying it brought a breath of fresh air to the campaign trail.

He said the former Vermont governor is "the Harry Truman of our generation. Howard Dean is really the kind of plain-spoken Democrat we need."

[arcos]

122. kick n/t

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

124. Don't want to be an instigator!

:kick:

[hellhathnofury]

131. You just did.

[David Zephyr]

123. Kick!

You might want to plug your crystal ball into mine...it's always right.

Here's the "Real Deal":

Howard Dean will win the Iowa contest by a very large margin.

Gephardt will drop out and endorse anyone, but Dean.

Howard Dean will win the New Hampshire contest.

John Kerry will drop out and endorse Wesley Clark.

Howard Dean will raise over $45 Million in the first quarter of 2004.

Lieberman will not have the grace or humility to drop out, but will continue to attack Howard Dean with lines that George Bush could utter equally well.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

125. Agreed-kick

Except that Kerry will withold his endorsement until the nomineee is clear...and endorse that person.


:kick:

[dajabr]

127. Oops! I was supposed to kick an ANTI-Dean thread at 2:20?

My bad, sorry...

:shrug:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

129. It happens.

I accept your apology.































































:kick:











-

[hellhathnofury]

130. Nothing you can do about it,

God has a plan.

[slinkerwink]

133. lol.......

and here's the picture to prove it...

[stickdog]

134. Now cut that out! (nt)

[quaker bill]

135. Hey, I have heard this before!

Somethings just get better with age.