Who is better: Barack Obama or Hugo Chavez?

[LoZoccolo]

[question everything]

1. What kind of an idiotic poll is this?

Why not ask who is better: Obama or Ahmedinejead? Or Obama and Mugabe?

Do you think you could post a similar poll on a Venezuelan blog and not be thrown to jail - if you are lucky?

[IndianaGreen]

3. It is OP's flame bait. Who is better Hitler or Himmler?

Or who is better Mickey or Minnie Mouse?

[Name removed]

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[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

96. An idiotic poll that has an idiot pulling in about 30% of the vote. (nt)

[IndianaGreen]

2. Flame bait! Chavez is better for Venezuela (free universal health care)

Obama is better for USA.

The USA needs an American version of the Bolivarian Revolution.

[LoZoccolo]

5. That's an interesting statement.

Seeing that Chavez's tactics have been more heavy-handed, it seems as if you are implying that the Venezuelan people deserve a less democratic government than Americans. Me, I think of giving people human rights, not deciding what they should and shouldn't have based on where they live. But that can't be what you're really saying, is it?

[IndianaGreen]

7. You support the Honduras coup so don't play innocent here

Your OP is nothing but flame bait, as much as that other idiot that keeps insisting that someone in the White referred to LGBT marchers as Leftists in pajamas.

[LoZoccolo]

9. And we would have gotten away with it if it hadn't been for you sneaky kids! n/t

[LooseWilly]

105. Meddling Kids... get your allusions right at least...

[LoZoccolo]

13. P.S: What is the Honduras coup? n/t

[IndianaGreen]

15. Even the State Department called it a coup, while you and the other golpistas supporters

kept calling the coup anything but.

[LoZoccolo]

17. That's because Golpistas is a fucken rock star! n/t

[LoZoccolo]

18. P.S.: Who is Golpistas? n/t

[IndianaGreen]

19. You act as innocent as Hamas does after a rocket attack

Who, we?

[LoZoccolo]

29. And you sound like you are trying to impress people by name-dropping world events. n/t

[boppers]

20. Who are the "white devils" in the US, to use racist complaints about?

Who would the US Bolivarian leader claim are "really responsible" for their inadequacies?

Pushing racism, in the name of social justice, is injust.

[yurbud]

44. uh....when does that Bolivarian Revolution start here?

[IndianaGreen]

61. When we storm our version of the Winter Palace and the Bastille

and push the elites out of power and influence.

[yurbud]

85. In our case that would be K Street & Wall Street

and on the weekends, Martha's Vineyard and the Hamptons.

[babylonsister]

4. Bored, are you? nt

[LoZoccolo]

8. This is a newsworthy poll because Chavez said that Obama did not deserve the Nobel Peace Prize.

And you should not say things like that about people if you are not better than them.

[babylonsister]

10. Hahaha! You're insulted by 'bored'? You have issues. As for Chavez,

he's entitled to his opinion. I don't think there's any comparison. This poll is a big FAIL.

:hi:

[IndianaGreen]

12. There is nothing worthy in the crap you post to get people riled up

just so you can get your neoliberal jollies.

[LoZoccolo]

14. There is nothing worthy in the crap you have replied to four times already? n/t

[IndianaGreen]

16. This thread is crap, like the rest of the other pro-elites shit you post

[Oregone]

6. Oasis blows

Should they become an hero? I don't think so. What say you?

[boppers]

21. plz self delete. kthxbai.

[dionysus]

38. yes, he tried to claim they are better than, get this... The Beatles

:rofl:

[LoZoccolo]

47. My claim is worth nothing in this matter.

However, the objective polling evidence bears me out.

http://www.nme.com/news/oasis/23227

[Oregone]

90. That is the most absurd claim ever and totally undermines your credibility in the future on anything

Seriously, how much ground has Oasis been breaking lately? Id pay to avoid one of their crappy concerts

The RS 500 Greatest Albums of All Time


1. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, The Beatles

2. Pet Sounds, The Beach Boys

3. Revolver, The Beatles

4. Highway 61 Revisited, Bob Dylan

5. Rubber Soul, The Beatles

6. What's Going On, Marvin Gaye

7. Exile on Main Street, The Rolling Stones

8. London Calling, The Clash

9. Blonde on Blonde, Bob Dylan

10. The Beatles ("The White Album"), The Beatles

14. Abbey Road, The Beatles

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5938174/the_rs_500_greatest_albums_of_all_time


BUT, they do an excellent Beatles impression.

[LoZoccolo]

92. A group of rock establishment traditionalists versus the voice of the people.

Yeah, that's credibility.

[Oregone]

99. The people think Oasis sucks, just like your posts

[LoZoccolo]

103. Then how come they voted /Definately Maybe/ the #1 album of all time?

Meanwhile, I agree with Milli Vanilli, who also stood up to the rock establishment traditionalists:

Musically, we are more talented than any Bob Dylan.

It's about time someone stood up.

[LoZoccolo]

104. Then how come they voted /Definately Maybe/ the #1 album of all time?

Meanwhile, I agree with Milli Vanilli, who also stood up to the rock establishment traditionalists:

Musically, we are more talented than any Bob Dylan.

It's about time someone stood up.

[freddie mertz]

107. I hope you are kidding.

No one could possibly be that stupid.

[TankLV]

22. Personally, I prefer a Bacon Lettuce and Tomato sandwich occasionally....

over nonsense/idiotic comparisons...

[bvar22]

23. Congratulations !

You have just WON one of the very few "Unrecommends" ever issued from yours truly.

This bogus bullshit is not worthy of DU,
and that bar has been set very low since the Moderates/Centrists/Cheerleaders invaded.
Complete waste of time.

:toast:

[inna]

24. +1, nt

[LoZoccolo]

27. XD n/t

[inna]

30. XD? was ist das XD?

:shrug:

[LoZoccolo]

31. THEN WHO WAS PHONE? n/t

[Douglas Carpenter]

25. Obama is more electable in the United States. Mr. Chavez

may have trouble in the U.S. carrying high-income white-male - independent swing-voters, particularly in small towns and suburbs especially those located in southern and border states.

[Vidar]

26. Chavez is far better for Venezuela.

[LoZoccolo]

28. I have never been able to comprehend such blatent condescension on behalf of Chavez supporters. n/t

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

32. Nader. nt

[Mudoria]

33. You certainly got the Chavez fanboi's riled up

:fistbump:

[VMI Dem]

34. Chavez sucks.

Obama wins.

[harun]

35. Depends on your definition of "better".

[PurityOfEssence]

36. Attack of the Little Orphan Annie eyeballed hero-worshipers

Yikes.

[DutchLiberal]

37. Well, Hugo Chavez has actually accomplished things for his people...

Like combating poverty; making higher education accessible for all; bringing down illiteracy; making his country independent of IMF or Worldbank; giving back the country's natural resources to the people; health care for all etc.

Chavez takes much better care for the ordinary people than Obama.

[IndianaGreen]

40. And free universal health care

which we won't get from Obama.

[DutchLiberal]

51. I'm pretty sure I included that... But thanks for underlining it anyway.

[Dawgs]

81. Didn't I miss something, or is Obama King now?

Obama has no choice but to work with Congress. Who knows what we would get if Obama could pick what he wants. Unfortunately, it's not that easy.

[DutchLiberal]

86. Obama has sold out to the insurance companies. Didn't back single payer.

Brought in Wall Street scum Geithner and Summers.

[Cha]

41. PO has accomplished a lot already but you have

to have been paying attention and not just spamming negative crap on the internet about him.

What your President has accomplished"..as of July 20, 2009

PO also just gave a Mission Statement Address to the UN that has a vision of a peaceful world..and the UN just approved a Resolution to rid the world of nukes.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33001551/ns/world_news-unit ... /

I'd say he has a bit of Progress here.

Political Tiger (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-20-09 06:36 PM
Original message

"What your President has accomplished just 6 months into his first term"

Signed executive orders to close the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, within a year, ban torture and end the CIA’s secret overseas prisons and define treatment of Detainees.

Reversed restrictions on stem cell research.

Signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. Reducing discrimination based on gender, age, religion, or race.

Signed an executive order reversing the ban that prohibits funding to international family planning groups that provide abortions. Gag rule revoked (Mexico City policy).

Creates the White House Council on Women and Girls "to provide a coordinated federal response to the challenges confronted by women and girls and to ensure that all Cabinet and Cabinet-level agencies consider how their policies and programs impact women and families."

Signed a Presidental Memorandum extending federal benefits to same-sex partners of federal workers and announced support for the Domestic Partners Benefits and Obligations Act of 2009.

Reverses U.S. position on LGBT Issues at the UN: At the "Durban Review Conference," U.S. supports language condemning “all forms of discrimination and all other human rights violations based on sexual orientation.”

Signed executive order requiring federal contractors to offer jobs to current workers when contracts change.

Reversed a Bush order requiring federal contractors to post notice that workers can limit financial support of unions serving as their exclusive bargaining representatives.

Signed executive order preventing federal contractors from being reimbursed for expenses meant to influence workers deciding whether to form a union and engage in collective bargaining.

Created a foreclosure prevention fund for homeowners.

Expanded eligibility for the refinancing portion of the Making Home Affordable plan to help Americans struggling with distressed mortgages refinance at lower interest rates, even if they owe up to 25 percent more than their homes are now worth.

Established a credit card "bill of rights".

Expanded loan programs for small businesses.

Extended and index the 2007 Alternative Minimum Tax patch.

Expanded eligibility for State Children's Health Insurance Fund (SCHIP).

Expanded funding to train primary care providers and public health practitioners.

Created a new White House task force on the problems of middle-class Americans, and installed Vice President Joe Biden as its chairman.

Appoints Vice President Joe Biden to Oversee Stimulus Plan Payouts.

Granted a reprieve to Liberian immigrants facing imminent expulsion.

Directed military leaders to end war in Iraq.

Allowing Caskets to be photographed when the return from Iraq with family approval.

Released nine previously secret internal Justice Department memos and opinions defining the legal limits of government power in combating terrorism.

On Arab TV Network, Obama Urges Dialogue.

Gave a speech in Cairo engaging the Muslim and Arab world.

Bars independent contractors from conducting interrogations of terror suspects.

Granted Americans unrestricted rights to visit family and send money to Cuba.

Ordered the release of nearly a quarter of a million pages of records from the Reagan White House that were kept from the public during a lengthy review by President George W. Bush.

Restored funding for the Byrne Justice Assistance Grant (Byrne/JAG) program.

Released presidential records.

Required new hires to sign a form affirming their hiring was not due to political affiliation or contributions.

Pushed for enactment of Matthew Shepard Act, which expands hate crime law to include sexual orientation and other factors.

Invites gay families to the Easter Egg Roll as part of the Obama administration's outreach to diverse communities.

Created a White House Office on Urban Policy.

Increased funding for the NEA.

Appointed an assistant to the president for science and technology policy.

Funded a major expansion of AmeriCorps.

Banned lobbyist gifts to executive employees.

Investment in all types of alternative energy.

Enacted tax credit for consumers for plug-in hybrid cars.

Support for high-speed rail.

Provided grants to encourage energy-efficient building codes.

Extended unemployment insurance benefits and temporarily suspend taxes on these benefits.

Created the White House Council on Automotive Communities and Workers to help auto industry workers transition to new manufacturing opportunities, including jobs in alternative energy.

Stopped raids on medical marijuana dispensers.

Nominated Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court of the United States. If confirmed, Sotomayor would be the first Hispanic to ever serve on the Supreme Court.

Appointed more than 60 openly LGBT persons to positions in the executive branch.

Issues Presidential Proclamation for Pride, proclaiming June 2009 as Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Pride Month.

Signed a mercury reduction pact with 140 other nations.

Signed the Weapons System Acquisition Reform Act to curb wasteful spending by the Pentagon. Intended to price contracts and budgets lower; may potentially save billions of dollars in defense.

Signed the Omnibus Public Lands Management Act of 2009, which serves to protect two million acres of land and creates a new system of land conservation for the Bureau of Land Management.

Phase out government payments to crop producers making more than $500,000 a year and eliminates subsidies for cotton storage to help trim the U.S. budget deficit.

Cut funding for a proposed U.S. nuclear storage facility at Yucca Mountain.

Restored Endangered Species Act Provision requiring U.S. agencies consult with independent federal experts to determine if their actions might harm threatened and endangered species.

Orders The Chesapeake Bay Protection and Restoration "to protect and restore the health, heritage, natural resources, and social and economic value of the Nation's largest estuarine ecosystem and the natural sustainability of its watershed."

Signed the 2009 Omnibus Public Land Management Act designating two million additional acres of public wilderness areas the highest level of government protection from logging and other forms of commercial use and development.

Signed the Christopher and Dana Reeve Paralysis Act which will expedite the search for cures and treatments for millions of Americans living with paralysis caused by spinal cord injury, stroke, MS, Parkinson's and many other diseases and disorders.

Established The Joint Virtual Lifetime Electronic Record, a new system for updating medical records of servicemen and women both during and after their military careers.

Established the White House Office of Health Reform

Created new and stronger safety standards to safeguard the country's food supply.

and

Got his daughters a new puppy!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8538282

Here's Political Fact on Obama's scorecard..

<snip>

The Obameter Scorecard
Promise Kept
47 Compromise
12 Promise Broken
7 Stalled
12 In the Works
112 No Action
325 PolitiFact has compiled more than 500 promises that Barack Obama made during the campaign and is tracking their progress on our Obameter.

We rate their status as No Action, In the Works or Stalled. Once we find action is completed, we rate them Promise Kept, Compromise or Promise Broken.

The report card at right provides an up-to-the-minute tally of all the promises.

Other ways to browse the Obameter

All promises
PolitiFact's Top 25 Promises
By Subject
Economy
Energy
Military

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises /

[IndianaGreen]

42. Here is the point that you missed in your misguided zeal for adulation

Obama is good for USA.

Chavez is good for Venezuela.

Cannot compare USA to Venezuela for the following reason: prior to Chavez, Venezuela was run by white oligarchs. They hated Chavez for a long time, partly because Chavez is of mixed race. Obama would have been killed by one of the death squads of the oligarchs long before he would have become prominent in politics.

Zorro's poll is nothing but flame bait. He supports the Honduras coup, which Obama opposes.

[Cha]

53. No, I'm not misguided.

I was answering directly to the poster who said this..

"DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-12-09 01:17 PM
Response to Original message

37. Well, Hugo Chavez has actually accomplished things for his people...
Like combating poverty; making higher education accessible for all; bringing down illiteracy; making his country independent of IMF or Worldbank; giving back the country's natural resources to the people; health care for all etc.

Chavez takes much better care for the ordinary people than Obama."

Ergo my post upthread..President Obama has ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHED THINGS for his people.

[DutchLiberal]

55. I don't know if Obama opposes the coup regimes...

His government officials, including Mrs. Clinton, have repeatedly appointed blame for the current situation in Honduras to president Zelaya, e.g. calling his return to his country "foolish". It was also the US who set up talks between president Zelaya and the de facto regime, thus equating the constitutional president and the coup-plotters. The US has still not cut off all aid to the country. And the US military base in Honduras (the one which president Zelaya was closing), is still in operation and busier than ever.

So I seriously doubt Obama is really opposing the coup... He wouldn't be the first Democratic president to support or approve a military coup.

[DutchLiberal]

50. So he gave a lot of speeches and bought his daughters a puppy?

Wow.

I'm impressed.

[Cha]

54. I've not debating anyone who can't read.

You're "not impressed"? I don't care if you are or not. I'm posting those accomplishments of President Obama's for those who can read.

[DutchLiberal]

57. Yes, half of them are speeches, includes buying a dog, and the rest are breadcrumbs...

...compared to Iraq, Afghanistan, DADT, DOMA, health care reform, and torture (still outsourcing that to shady Middle Eastern regimes through the "rendition" operations).

[IndianaGreen]

58. How many GIs have died or been wounded since Obama's inauguration?

And how many more will die or be wounded in Obama's war in Afghanistan?

[Balbus]

77. Not this cut and paste bullshit again...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6337770#6338022

[anonymous171]

52. Yep. If only he wasn't such an asshole

[DutchLiberal]

60. Let me think about that well-crafted argument...

It's just so convincing... :eyes:

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

97. How long has Chavez had in office?

And are his powers not far greater than Obama's?

[Honeycombe8]

39. Why don't you just do a poll of O vs. Satan? Both polls are equally in bad taste and ludicrous. n t

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

98. Would Satan score 25% on DU too? (nt)

[rug]

43. They're both better than Oasis.

[dionysus]

45. .

:spray:

[NoPasaran]

46. If I was stuck in a lifeboat with BO and HC and nothing to eat

I think Chavez would make a better meal.

[RepublicanElephant]

48. fail.

apples and oranges.

[Renew Deal]

49. Those that prefer Chavez should be deported to Venezuala posthaste

We'll see how quickly they return.

[jonnyblitz]

56. i think many of us might have voted for chavez just to be a dick

because it's LoZocollo. :hi:

I think I read somewhere Chavez doesn't like teh gays due to his catholicism so I would have problems with THAT. otherwise i take, with a grain of salt, everything i hear about chavez from our media since they tend to demonize any head of state that won't let us enter their country to plunder their natural resources and cheap labor.

[DutchLiberal]

62. America: Love it or leave it?

[IndianaGreen]

59. LoZoccolo you are better than Barack Obama and Hugo Chavez

You are our new god!

We are not worthy!

:sarcasm:

[old mark]

63. Well, considering that Chaves is a fucking asshole dictator,and Obama is neither

my vote goes to Obama.

Go back to Freeperland and tell them all that they suck.

mark

[IndianaGreen]

64. LOL

[DutchLiberal]

87. You get an A for repeating right-wing talking points! Bravo!

[Forkboy]

65. I see another of your threads has gone over like a nursing home massacre.

:rofl:

[IndianaGreen]

66. LoZoccolo is sipping some brandy as he enjoys his successful flamebait

It hasn't even occurred to the mods that comparing Obama to Chavez is akin to comparing apples and oranges. We don't even have the entrenched oligarchy, with support of a reactionary Catholic Church, and dead enders in the military, that comprise the traditional axis of evil in Latin America.

Does Chavez have a School of the Americas to train people to murder and torture Americans? Is Chavez refusing to extradite to US a well-known terrorist that blew up a civilian jetliner?

[Forkboy]

67. He's DU's longest running troll.

I've said it before, I'll say it again, even if it gets deleted. He's had thread after thread after thread locked here, more over the years than any other DUer I can think of, and this kind of stuff is his stock in trade. It has to be for the comedy value, which I admit is high. :)

[LoZoccolo]

79. I almost never alert threads anymore, especially not for personal attacks.

So I won't be trying to get rid of your message here, but I don't understand how you can call me a troll for espousing an opinion that is up to 75% in my poll. Granted, there are other people who are taking neither choice, but there seems to be a lot of people who participated.

[Forkboy]

89. There's more to trolling than RW beliefs.

[Renew Deal]

80. That's unfair

I don't think he's a troll at all. He just likes to stir it up. His threads are more clever than mean spirited. He's rarely (never?) mean.

[SIMPLYB1980]

68. And yet Chaves is losing handily.

As any dictator should when compared with Obama.

[IndianaGreen]

69. On a poll in an American discussion board from people that don't know shit about Latin America

Even my Reaganite professor of international law admits the US has done horrible things in Latin America, but refuses to discuss the Contras, SOA, the coups, etc.

[SIMPLYB1980]

70. Have I ever said we haven't?

Still doesn't excuse Dictator Chaves.

[IndianaGreen]

71. See, now you are showing your ignorance!

If Chavez were a dictator, there wouldn't be an opposition.

[SIMPLYB1980]

72. Dictator.

[IndianaGreen]

73. It is like reading El Universal or Globovision TV with you

Don't tell me you are one of the well-to-do white Caracas elites.

[SIMPLYB1980]

74. LoL!

Dictator or debunk.

[DutchLiberal]

88. You're a little brat with his finger in his ears, screaming: "Can't hear you! Lalalalala!"

Grow the fuck up.

[SIMPLYB1980]

91. LOL!

[Flaneur]

102. Fucking grow up.

[LoZoccolo]

75. So you come in here several times, kicking the thread, call everyone stupid...

...have the name of a party opposed to the Democratic Party in your name, and have a Karl Marx communist avatar. But you're calling me a troll.

[IndianaGreen]

76. Stop being such a phony drama queen! I didn't call you a troll

BTW, how's your pal Micheletti doing?

[LoZoccolo]

78. Pleased to meet you; hope you guessed my name.

I think I've figured out who you think I am. You seem to be under the impression that I am the devil in that Rolling Stones song, and that I've been present at all sorts of evil events in history. Like this Micheletti guy. Woo hoo.

[Flaneur]

101. Er, that's the twice-elected, highly popular president of Venezuela.

Go back to playing with your guns.

[Shrek]

82. Context?

Better at what?

[Beacool]

83. Better at what?

:shrug:

[AngryAmish]

84. At basketball? My money is on Obama.

I bet Chavez is a better shot, though.

[SoxFan]

93. Shrimp Etouffee

Ingredients:

* 6 tablespoons butter
* 3 tablespoons flour
* 1 cup chopped onion
* 6 green onions and tops, chopped
* 1/2 cup chopped bell pepper
* 1/2 cup chopped celery
* 2 cups water
* 3 pounds shrimp, peeled,deveined
* 1/4 cup chopped parsley
* salt and pepper, to taste
* 1 small bay leaf
* tabasco sauce, to taste
* hot cooked rice

Preparation:
In a skillet, melt the butter; add flour, stirring to blend. Cook, stirring constantly, until flour mixture is deep golden brown. Add the vegetables and cook until tender. Stir in the water, shrimp, parsley and seasonings. Simmer, uncovered, for 15 to 20 minutes, or until the shrimp are cooked. Serve over hot rice.
Serves 4 to 6.

[Politics_Guy25]

94. Hugo Chavez baby!

A tinpot corrupt dictator takes the cake over someone who has reinvigorated the nation, saved the global economy and changed the character of his nation every time!!

Hugo! Hugo! Hugo!

BTW, where's the love? Hugo is getting crushed in the poll. HOW CAN THIS BE????!!!! I'm series!

[SoxFan]

100. OH THE HUGE MANATEE! TEH OUTRAGE!!1!

[undeterred]

95. Santa Claus is better than the Easter Bunny

but there's no need to rank them.

[freddie mertz]

106. Stupidest. Poll. Ever. (nt)