Let's give up something

[miamimama]

Just a thought. Repugs tend to vote on the wedge issues. Let's give them one. Let's give them prayer. They want to pray in school -OK. They want to pray before a football game - Sure. I can live with that. A prayer before a meeting - sure. Besides, most of us here at DU are praying all the time - praying that Kerry wins.

Give them prayer and we'll pick up lots of swing votes. Besides - if they win, we'll have it anyway.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. I've given up ice cream

and used the money I used to spend on this weekly treat as a donation to the Democrats.

I am not willing to allow prayer. Sorry. I'm an ordained minister, too-but in the Universal Worship, which recognizes ALL faiths. I have been to places where a Christian prayer was given, and I felt that the rest of the world's faiths were left out. And I can imagine how atheists and agnostics feel.

No, sorry, can't "give" the freepers prayer. It would be the start of the church state, imho.

[miamimama]

4. But don't you think that once they win

and have three supremes in place, we'll get it anyway? I agree that I don't want it. But without giving up something we may lose. We will still have our principals, but we'll also have a conservative pres, legislature and court - probably for our lifetime and that of our kids. So while my suggestion was somewhat tongue in cheek, I am not sure it is all that bad.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

7. I feel that if they win

they will round up people like me, label us "enemy combatants" and that we'll never be heard from again. I don't think the Supremes will give them prayer in school, because then the Christians will start fighting over what KIND of prayer.

[phish420]

18. Amen...nt

[Xipe Totec]

2. We Don't Play Games With The Constitution

Separation of Church and State is a critical pillar of our democracy.

Try again.


:think:

[ezekiel333]

14. Kick

[cheshire]

3. Not that it would ever be enough but I will give up the idea of killing *

[AmerDem]

5. I wont give up anything that is right!

Let them try and take it from me!

[classof56]

6. For some reason, I didn't think the ability to pray had been denied them

I mean--God being God, doesn't he hear us whether we're praying out loud or silently? I'm not sure public prayer would garner any swing votes, since there are such divergent views on just which prayer is the right (correct) one. For example, the Lord's prayer--I opt for the version that asks forgiveness of debts, not trespasses, and ends with "for thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory forever, amen." Catholics, as far as I know, have a somewhat different version. But then...a few weeks ago, I went to mass with a Catholic relative where the priest declared me a heretic because I don't assert Catholicism to be the one true church. Which means I'm not heaven-bound, according to him. Guess he could also apply that belief to Bush, now that I think about it. So--if Bushco wins and we have prayer foisted on us, 'twill be interesting to see just which prayer wins, too.

On the other hand, let's stick to our agenda:

BUSH MUST GO!!

[phish420]

23. Absolutely right.

These kids that are so adament about praying to their god can simply bow their heads in silence at some point during the 5 minutes between classes to do their little god worship thing. Doesnt bother anyone and they get their prayer...way it is, and the wa it should be. Period.

[classof56]

25. Glad to get your take on this. I recall growing up...

there was no prayer in school, and in grade school, we recited the Pledge of Allegiance without the "Under God" part. Whoops! Just showed my age, I guess!

BUSH MUST GO!!

[Maddy McCall]

8. Prayer is not ours to give...it was the founders to decide, and I don't...

envision them changing their minds now.

Anyway, I don't want government-sponsored prayer in school. Kids can pray in school--that's never been "taken" from them.

[noamnety]

9. are you kidding?

You want me to allow my tax dollars to be used for someone to preach their religion to my daughter while she's in a public school?

um ... no.

[cheshire]

10. really I can just imagine how they pray. Snakes and talking in tounge. no

thanks. I have everything against that thank you

[partygirl]

11. I had prayer in school and I loved it.

I went to Catholic school--we aren't Catholic at all--it is just that where I lived all the well-off people send their kids to the Catholic schools because they are the best.

Anyhow, they had religious education classes--but since I was not Catholic I never had to take that. And they went to church on some Catholic holy days--but I never had to do that either.

The only thing we had that I was really exposed to was a daily 5 min period of "silence" that we were encouraged to use for reflection. It was one of my favorite times of the day--cause you just had time to collect your thoughts and pull things together in quiet without being bothered. Lots of kids did pray--or just sat quietly. I usually did my homework--it never hurt me and was really no big deal at all. The people there were all so very nice to me! I loved it and when I have kids they are all going to go to Catholic schools to even though I have no intentions to ever be religious myself. The public schools here SUCK I am really glad my parents did not make me go there.

Anyhow I don't think prayer is any big deal. But on the other hand, I don't think we should give them an inch. We are going to win anyway. Everyone knows how stupid Bush is and they are not going to want him to be president 4 more years.

[phish420]

21. Thats private school...thats different

Of COURSE a catholic school is going to have school prayer...duh...lol...but tax payer funded public schools can not have an endorsement of religion (see US Constitution, Amendment 1)

[farmbo]

12. How about a ban on "partial birth abortion", tort reform, and CCW?

No I don't personally believe in these issues but miamimama's got a point.

We can either let the perfect be the enemy of the good...and be good liberals...or we can WIN!!!

In Ohio we have broke, laid off workers without healthcare telling interviewers that they don't like Bush but they'll vote for him on abortion and gun issues.

Go figure.

But lets cut to the center on some of these issues...it worked for Clinton.

[miamimama]

15. For all those who won't give an inch

If you really think Kerry has it sewn up - fine. But I'm nervous. I know someone will call me a whiner. I really hope I'm wrong. But if we lose, we are going to lose a whole lot more than giving up a little.

Someone talked about the Constitution. Say goodbye to it if Bush wins. I am so terrified as to what will happen if he gets another term and then there is NOTHING to stand in his way.

[phish420]

20. Ok, so you want Kerry to 'Flip Flop' on a wedge issue?!?!?

Thats idiotic...they would bury him if he were to suddenly say "You know what, all of the sudden I think we should allow prayer in school"...I can hear the chants of flip flip and 4 more years already....

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

13. No

[A-Schwarzenegger]

16. I give up swearing (cursing).

[phish420]

22. I gave that up for lent once...nt

[AlCzervik]

17. just like dealing with a car salesman, the minute you give in a little

you get screwed. the gop has been given enough and lord knows they have taken planty as well. No giving them anything.

[phish420]

19. Abortion

as a gay man who will never have to worry about knocking someone up, lol, that is the one Im not as concerned about..seriously, though, while I do not like the idea of abortion, as I think most democrats do not, what is important in this issue is the heath of the woman, who if she wanted an abortion, she would get one with a coat hangar if she cant do it legally...so while I 'joke' that Id give up my position, I honestly could not....besides, abortion also comes down to church and state, since the freepers like to entangle abortion with morality...by doing that, it should make it a moot issue as you can not legislate morality...but you know them neocons, theyll make a political wedge issue out of anything.

[Cats Against Frist]

24. The 2nd Amendment

I find it imperative that we give them this one -- and this one is for "us," too. For me, it's "all or nothing" with the Bill of Rights.

If they want to shove their revisionist Bible down my son's throat, on the other hand -- I'll need that shotgun, along with my big orange aluminum baseball bat of modernity.

I say we give them the flat tax. With no loopholes. None of this trickle down bullshit.

[LittleClarkie]

26. I'll give up "T"

As in "can't" and "won't"

We can and we will.