If Bush had 35 "czars" and Obama has 32 "czars".. where will I find

[Peacetrain]

the Fox news reports and Senatorial investigations into all these czars under Bush.

Somehow I completely missed it.

It might have been all the other things we were fighting..but I cannot find it anywhere on the net.

I might just be looking in the wrong place.

So if someone could point me in the right direction to find that information on the Bush administration and all the czars he had, I would so much appreciate it.

Granted Obama does have fewer czars than Bush, but still, it must have been a hellacious story and confrontation with the Bush administration, and I completely missed it

[uponit7771]

1. The Obama admin should be sKeered shitless of reThugs getting control of either...

...congressional body.

They will no doubt screw this nation just to go after him...

[kenfrequed]

2. You'll find it...

Just keep looking.

It will be right next to the fox news story about the deficit causing cost of the Iraq war and the budget bursting consequences of more Tax breaks for the wealthy.

Oh sure, and it is safe to hold you breath too.

[Peacetrain]

4. Well I was tempted to go and search the Fox news site to find

the story and the "results" of their investigation. But just short of time this morning. I wonder how many hours Hannity must have put into that. Must have taken a LOT of radio time. Thirty five czars, wow, they just must have been beside themselves. ;)

[kenfrequed]

3. You'll find it...

Just keep looking.

It will be right next to the fox news story about the deficit causing cost of the Iraq war and the budget bursting consequences of more Tax breaks for the wealthy.

Oh sure, and it is safe to hold you breath too.

[peace13]

5. It was stupid when * did it and it is equally stupid when Obama did it.

I absolutely hated it when * had czars. I am really surprised that Obama continued the tradition.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

8. Bush didn't start the tradition, FDR had the first czar. A rubber czar.

This story is bullshit. It would be different if a NEW congress critter who had not been around for Bush or any of the other czars was inquiring. But in some cases some of the people making czar cracks not only didn't say boo about czars, but PROMOTED them as essential.

I understand some of the calls for investigation, but I don't for one second buy the urgency of now argument or the "ZOMG! It's like Russia!" lunacy.

[unblock]

6. either way, that's a lot of czars. is there a czar czar to manage all of them?

is there a glacz czeiling in the czar bucziness for women?
are any of the czars actually tsaritsas?
do any of the czars prefer to be known, in print at least, as tsars?
is obama the czar czar?
if obama were to appoint a czar czar, would he consider someone named binks or gabor?

[flyarm]

7. why the fuck do we have to have CZARS? this reminds me of the USSR and the damn cold war we lived

through!

It really gives me the fucking creeps..why can't everyone have background checks and be cleared through congress..oh yeah..we no longer live in a democratic republic ..now i remember!

[SemiCharmedQuark]

9. You know they aren't really called "czars", right? Their posts have actual names.

"Czar" is a shorthand, unofficial term for their posts.

:eyes:

Rachel has covered this pretty extensively. Rachel, that corporate sell out. Rachel who never fails to toe the party line.

[Drunken Irishman]

10. You do know the USSR never had Czars, right?

[SemiCharmedQuark]

11. That too!

[Canuckistanian]

12. Czar was the old Russian name for "King"

The word originally came from "Caesar".

[geek tragedy]

15. okay Orly. nt

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

16. You know the president's democratically elected, right?

And he's even a U.S. citizen?

[Cha]

18. Crossposted from LBN

"Czar (political term)"

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Czar or tsar is an informal title for certain high-level officials in the United States and United Kingdom. Political czars can run or organize governmental departments, and may devote their expertise to a single area of work.

In the United States, czars are generally executive branch officials appointed by the President, some with Senate approval but many others without approval. Some appointees outside the executive branch are called czars as well. Specific instances of the term are often a media creation.<1>

In the United Kingdom, the term tsar is more loosely used to refer to high-profile appointments who devote their skills to one particular area.

Development of term
See also: List of U.S. executive branch czars

The czar term derives from the title Tsar which was used to designate the Russian, Bulgarian or Serbian monarchs of pre-World War I Europe.

During the latter stages of World War I, President Woodrow Wilson appointed financier Bernard Baruch to run the War Industries Board. This position was sometimes dubbed the "industry czar".<1>

One of the earliest known metaphorical usages of the term in the U.S. were to Judge Kenesaw Mountain Landis, who was named commissioner of baseball, with broad powers to clean up the sport after it had been dirtied by the Black Sox scandal of 1919.<2>

In 1926, a New York City chamber of commerce named what the New York Times termed a "czar" to clean up the milk delivery industry.<3>

In the United States, the term czar has been used by the media to refer to appointed executive branch officials since at least the early 1940s.<4> In 1942, The Washington Post reported on the "executive orders creating new czars to control various aspects of our wartime economy."<5> Positions were created for a transportation czar, a manpower czar, a production czar, a shipping czar, and a synthetic rubber czar, all to solve difficult problems in coordinating the resources necessary to fight World War II.<6><1> Not only did the administration of President Franklin D. Roosevelt advocate their creation; in December 1944, Republicans in Congress advocated that a "food czar" position be created that would have almost unlimited control over food pricing and distribution.

More:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czar_%28political_term%29

There's more..
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[Hippo_Tron]

19. Because Senate Republicans hold every damn nomination up for stupid things

Department heads, agency heads, and other positions with statutory authority should be subject to senate confirmation. "Czars" are just positions within the Executive Office of the President (which dates back to Roosevelt) who are mostly responsible for providing information to the Presidents.

[JuniperLea]

13. They will say Bush had czars...

But Obama has czar-czars... you know...

[LovinLife]

14. I read Lieberman is about to jump on this. I really hate Obama didn't bury that clown when he had

the chance. The guy is useless. What was Al Gore thinking nominating that guy for VP?

[Cha]

17. Did you see this, though?

Cross posted from LBN

RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-06-09 11:30 PM
Original message

Panel finds no fault with Obama system of policy 'czars'
Source: LA Times

In Senate testimony, constitutional experts say the president has the right to appoint independent advisors as long as the distinction between practical and legal authority is rigorously maintained.

Reporting from Washington - Five constitutional experts testified at a Senate hearing Tuesday that President Obama's extensive use of policy "czars" is legal -- as long as the officials do not overstep their authority.

In a city where power is carefully hoarded and monitored, Obama has drawn complaints from Congress about his use of these so-called czars, officials he has appointed to coordinate environmental, health and other policy areas among various departments.

Lawmakers in both parties have sent letters to the White House saying the officials' appointment circumvents Congress' authority to confirm top executive branch officials and subject them to oversight hearings.

But the panel of constitutional experts testifying before the Senate Judiciary Committee's subcommittee on the Constitution did not support the complaints.

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