Biden: If GOP Succeeds in 2010, It'll be the 'End of the Road'

[Cash_thatswhatiwant]

ABC News’ Karen Travers reports:

Vice President Joe Biden said today that if Democrats were to lose 35 House seats they currently hold in traditionally Republican districts, it would mean doomsday for President Obama’s agenda.

Biden said Republicans are pinning their political strategy on flipping these seats.

“If they take them back, this the end of the road for what Barack and I are trying to do,” the vice president said at a fundraiser for Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ) today in Greenville, Delaware.

Republicans need to pick up 40 seats next November to take back control of the House.

There are 49 seats currently held by Democrats in districts that Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz) won in last year’s presidential election.

Biden said these House seats are Republicans “one shot” at breaking the Obama administration’s agenda. But if Democrats can hold on to those seats, “the dam is going to break,” he said, and a new era of bipartisanship will begin.

“All the hidden Republicans that don’t have the courage to vote the way they want to vote because of pressure from the party … it will break the dam and you will see bipartisanship,” Biden said.

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It won't happen.

[emulatorloo]

1. Hey JOE -- +1 n/t

[msongs]

2. umm its dems in congress NOW that are holding up yer agenda there Joe nt

[rwheeler31]

3. He is right on this.

[Marsala]

4. Except about the "hidden Republicans"

They do not exist, at least in the House.

[salguine]

5. Well, Joe, if Democrats lose it all in '10, it's nobody's fault but theirs. And seeing how

they seem poised to fuck us hard on health care, it almost seem they want to lose. It's hard to imagine a surer recipe for electoral disaster than a fucking health insurance mandate. And frankly, if that's what we get, I won't be sorry to see them go. If that's the best they can do, they're worse than useless.

[BlueJazz]

6. Amen..I'm sick and tired of the spineless Sons-a-bitches. They have the power now...

...right in the palm of their hands....
If they let this chance go by, I'm done with the political scene...it will prove that it's hopeless.

[salguine]

13. I won't be done with the political scene, but anything with a (D) after its name will,

from that moment on, be every bit as much a sworn enemy of mine as anything trailing an (R).

The Democrats have it within their power to finally, at long last, provide all of our citizens with the same kind of health care assurance that the citizens of every other nation in the civilized Western world enjoy. It's literally in their hands. They could do it. Which makes now the moment when the DEMOCRATIC PARTY—no one else—decides whose country this really is. It either belongs to us, the People, or it belongs to Pfizer, Blue Cross, Kaiser Permanente and GlaxoSmithKline. There isn't anyone on this forum that can tell me that Democrats don't know what The Right Thing To Do is, and it's up to them to decide whether to do it or not. And if they choose to hand us over to the insurance industry, then fuck 'em. Fuck 'em.

[dflprincess]

23. +1

[ieoeja]

26. So over 100 Democrats in the House who support single payer will be your sworn enemy? (nt)

[Clio the Leo]

7. That's hot.

I was complacent 30 seconds ago ........ but NO MORE!!!!

[tavalon]

8. Well, let's get us some palatable healthcare reform

and then we won't have to worry about it. Right, Joe?

[GrantDem]

9. Then I suggest that the Dems pull their heads out of their asses.

They will have no one to blame but themselves.

[LibDemAlways]

10. Biden needs to quite worrying about the future and work to make

changes in the here and now. The Dems have the power. They need to learn how to wield it.

And about that bipartisanship he's anticipating....About as likely as a pig flying into his office with Rush Limbaugh on its back come to announce he's become a Democrat. In other words no way, no how.

[depakid]

11. Yep- those Blue Dogs are oh so important...

to the right wing's agenda. that is.

[Umbral]

12. And some people say Biden talks too much and is alway putting his foot in his mouth...

Not me, I think he's full of shit.

[pundaint]

14. Succeed in 2010? Hell they're succeeding now

No bank regulation
No single payer health care discussion
No union support
Republican agenda fills the news
War is up
Bankers profits restored
Sorry Joe, but your scary scenario is indistinguishable from what we have now.

Democrats: if you wont lead why should anybody follow?

[Juche]

15. The dems can only blame themselves

A mandate, a large victory in the presidential election, supermajorities in both houses. If people vote the GOP in in 2010 it will be in part because the dems didn't give us enough reason to care. All during 2008 I kept hearing 'we need 60 seats in the senate'. So I donated several hundred to the DSCC and senators who were running. We now have 59 senators plus Specter. If we can't get things done, what the hell did I donate all that money for? We did get the stimulus, I'll give him that. But health reform, EFCA and cap and trade may not pass even with supermajorities.

And it is the democrats who are holding our agenda up. Conrad, Baucus, Nelson, the Arkansas twins, the blue dogs. Does Biden not realize this, or is he just hoping we don't notice it? What good is replacing GOP politicians with dem politicians if they are just going to oppose democratic agendas?

As far as 'an age of bipartisanship', that is crap. It'll just be 2012 after that.

And why the hell is bipartisanship with a party that openly endorses seccession, armed intimidation, gross misinformation and pettiness a good thing? The GOP will not change in 2 years. They will still be the same radical, extremist, undemocratic, violent, uninformed party they are now. Why the fuck would anyone want to endorse policy that gets a thumbs up from people like that?

If the tea baggers support policy, its probably a bad idea. If politicians the tea baggers support support a policy, the same applies.

I have heard some GOP politicians wanted to vote for the stimulus, but were afraid of a primary from the right. However, 2010 isn't going to end that. The GOP isn't going to give up on radicalism just because of 3 negative election cycles (06, 08, 10). They will run on radicalism in 2012 if they lose in 2010.

[invictus]

21. +1

[dflprincess]

24. I don't think it will be so much that more people vote GOP

it will just be that few people show up to vote for Democrats. The GOP could win because the Democrats took their base for granted one time too many.

[Juche]

25. That is what will happen

2010 is probably going to be bad for several reasons:


1. Some people are having 'buyers remorse' because they feel it is a one party state, and they want a balance of power. Nevermind that the GOP can stall and block anything anyway.

2. People who tend to vote conservative have higher turnout in midterms, whereas people who support democrats (young people, non-whites) have lower turnout. So 2010 will see more conservatives and fewer democrats.

3. The conservative base is energized, the dem base is disappointed. We gave them the seats and the power. Why should be fight to keep them if they aren't going to use them?

4. The party in power tends to lose seats in midterms.


It'll suck, but as long as the GOP isn't powerful enough to pass destructive agendas, it won't be so bad.

[high density]

27. The House and Senate are letting Obama down big time

I'm seeing Obama try to take a different course but he is being tripped up at every step by our utterly incompetent leaders in congress. Do these people want the support of Democrats and the party in their next election or not? It's time to shit or get off the pot. Worrying about Republican support is the last thing we need when nobody cares what they think. The GOP has made it crystal clear that they simply want the nation to be worse off so they can blame Obama and win next time around. So far they're succeeding in that goal.

[natrat]

16. idiots have already lost the base that got them in last time

[natrat]

17. seems the party of designated failure is just setting up more permanent pug rule

[Monk06]

18. The best way to ensure defeat in 2010 is to talk about the concequences of defeat in 2010.

STFU already the first year of the first term
is not even over yet !!!!

[quaker bill]

19. Politically speaking

Joe is correct. If republicans cannot flip the seats back, they will know that they are in the minority for a long time to come. The "wisdom" of sticking to party discipline will lose grip on some of the repugs.

While the dems have not impressed some folks here, if they manage to turn the economy and get some sort of reasonable healthcare reform passed, they should be in pretty good shape by next November. Electorally, it is more important to seem mainstream than it is to impress us. This is where the votes are to be found.

I have noted that the blue dogs are beginning to hear from our side, in that we make up a major chunk of their base. If they want to keep their jobs, polls suggest they should vote for a public option. Perhaps they will see the light by the time the votes are cast.

[old mark]

20. I agree - we must get organized to win the '10 election, even at the expense of

holding our nose to elect some Dems who may be less than we want - we can work on them after they are elected. We MUST retain and even add to our numbers in Congress and in state and local elected positions. We MUST get the GOP down even further than they are.

And I disagree with Biden - they will get ever more crazy, but no one will care because they won't matter much anymore.

We must win in '10 and in '12 to really secure the country from the 'Pukes.



mark

[AspenRose]

22. I think Biden underestimates "teh crazy."

[quaker bill]

29. It will get worse

before it gets better for the repubs. At some point someone on that side will have to grow a spine and tell the sore losers where to get off the bus.

There is simply no one on that side who can do this with any authority at this point. They will need to lose at least few more cycles before desperation allows someone like this to arise.

I actually don't care that the democrats are not moving as fast as I want because they are generally moving in the right direction. This means at a minimum that things are either stalled, getting better slowly, or perhaps getting worse, but at a much slower rate. Anyway you want to slice it, this is an improvement over where we were just a couple of years ago.

The country always better off with republicans in the minority. This is absolutely true and would be true even if the majority was just a collection of ham sandwiches or ficus plants. Say what you want about our majority, but they are clearly and undoubtedly better at governing than a large pile of ham sandwiches. However, all this being said, I think there should always be just a few republicans around to remind us how much the stupid hurts.

I don't wish for the extinction of this political species, I just want it well caged.

[D23MIURG23]

28. A new era of bipartisanship?! Really?

Its amazing what slow learners the Democrats are. There are no Republicans who want to vote with the administration.