The Baucus/Conrad move to exclude undocumented aliens

[chieftain]

convince me that their goal is to completely sabotage any meaningful health care reform and cripple President Obama. I am late coming to this conclusion and if there is another equally plausible suggestion, let me know. I plan to contribute to whoever runs against these guys in the Primary and even in the General. We might lose a Senate seat but gain a Democrat as committee chairman.

[The Magistrate]

1. Baucus, Sir, Must Be Stripped Of His Chairmanship

If Reid does not do it, it will not trouble me to see him beaten by a Republican next year.

This sort of thing must stop.

[TheKentuckian]

2. Why would they give this crap credibility?!?

Baucus and Conrad need to be stripped down to freshman status.

[Clio the Leo]

3. We have Senate seats to spare?

News to me ..... if we lose enough of them, we wont have to worry about committee chairmanships, literally.

[Cha]

5. I suppose that's what they're counting on and

why they are flaunting their flagrant dino asses.

[Cha]

4. They don't go on the Wall of Shame for nothing.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8636511#8637564

They're rather blatant about it, aren't they?

Blowback's a bitch, baucus-conrad..be ready.

[Enrique]

6. make that the Obama/Baucus/Conrad move

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6527564

The White House on Friday said it would bar illegal immigrants from purchasing health coverage through a proposed insurance marketplace. But the administration also said that the federal government would continue to require hospitals to provide emergency treatment to illegal immigrants at taxpayer expense.

The question of how illegal immigrants would fare under a proposed overhaul of the health care system came into sharp focus on Wednesday during President Obama’s speech to Congress. Representative Joe Wilson, Republican of South Carolina, shouted “You lie!” when Mr. Obama insisted that his health care overhaul would not insure illegal immigrants.

And the Obama administration’s determination to show that immigrants will not benefit from the health system overhaul highlighted the extraordinary sensitivity to the issue at a time when lawmakers still remain divided over whether the government should pay to provide health coverage for all American citizens.

A White House spokesman, Reid Cherlin, said that the president’s proposals would bar illegal immigrants from purchasing private insurance through the new government marketplace, known as an exchange, and that verification of immigration status would be required for anyone seeking to purchase coverage.

[sohndrsmith]

7. forgive my confusion (please)... don't we currently exclude non-citizens from

having health insurance (hence the glut of ED visits by undocumented persons as that's the only place they can get medical treatment)?

I'm not sure what the desired result is here. Do they want to continue the overuse of ED/trauma centers for minor health issues of those who don't have a SS card (thus compromising all who have more serious medical needs - appropriate for ED treatment - documented or no?)

Or would allowing some form of health coverage to non-citizens (or whatever ugly label they are using) that would offer more balance to such a system that is _guaranteed_ to ALWAYS have all sorts of people, with all sorts of medical needs, ranging from the minor to the severe, regardless of their citizenship make some sense? Wouldn't it lower costs by default? A mother going to the ED because her 3 year old has an ear infection (but she has no "documentation" proving she is American, so it's her only avenue for care) is fiscally counter productive for ALL parties.

Regardless of what we agree with, disagree with or think "should" happen, people will continue to stream in to ED centers for such treatment because there will always be people who don't have all the proper requirements. If they're here and they are injured or sick, if they seek medical care they will end up in the ER. That will never change, no matter how much progress we make. At least not in the foreseeable future - or my lifetime, anyway... Whether one thinks they should be allowed to receive treatment or not is irrelevant. If we are a country that ends up denying care to any human who needs it - then I'm outta here...

Personally, I don't think health care should be limited to those with stars upon thars... if we're harping about this being a moral issue, then we need to stand by that. Making it more cost effective and/or understanding that health care is there for those who need it - while we work out immigration issues is not only the right thing to do, but it's the only thing to do.

Seems to me that offering an alternative in such circumstances would be a huge step towards rectifying misuse/abuse and needless massive expenses where they can be avoided. This seems like one of those instances, no?

[Thrill]

8. Weakass Democrats. On their friggin knees sucking Joe Wilson's

c-ck. They disgust me.

[Enrique]

9. .

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