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cags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:24 AM
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My exchange with the Superintendant of Lewisville ISD
Jerry Roy

I wanted to convey my great disappointment in you the Superintendant of our schools. To deny our children of this once in a lifetime event is not only despicable but cowardly as well. President Obama has been a strong proponent of our children’s education and their personal responsibility in making sure they grab every opportunity that is available to them in this country. That is what this speech is all about. Especially given the dropout rates in Texas I cannot even fathom why you would deny our children this encouragement from our President. From my understanding you have made this decision on your own without the input of anyone. I have also heard some of you on the board specifically call this speech by president Obama indoctrination in your emails to other parents. Also the fact that you will not allow teachers to show a recording of this event at a later time that is more convenient to your scheduling issues is telling. That shows your narrow minded partisanship right there and your true intentions. In the past you have had school time to be “interrupted” for presidential or government speeches. My daughter even came home one day to say that the Mayor of our city spoke to her class, I was not notified of this beforehand but although I dislike the mayor greatly, I would never think to not allow a mayor to speak to school children whether I agree with them or not. You have only objected to this president in particular, I have no doubt in my mind that you would have allowed this historic event to happen in our schools if it was any other president.

So given your cowardice in this matter, I trust that you will stick to your current personality faults, and never again allow any government official to speak to children in your schools again or allow them to watch anything televised by a government official. You can even give the excuse of not wanting to interrupt school schedules. To allow it would be utter hypocrisy on your part. I hope never to hear again my child come home from school and say so and so spoke to my class, or I watched so and so on the television in class today. I also never want to see a mock election in my child’s classroom again that uses actual candidates, make up candidates if you want to teach them about voting. I trust you will treat all government officials in the same manner that you have treated the President of the United States of America… appallingly.

I would hope that you would search your heart and your God and change your mind, and see that you have made an error in judgment. It will truly be a sad Tuesday for LISD school children if you do not. I envy those districts that have shown sound judgment in not denying this historic event to their children.

Thank you for your time


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His response:

Thank you for your email. You have every right to be disappointed in my decision. You have, however, totally missed the mark as to why I made it. I made my decision last Tuesday before any of the media frenzy or before receiving a single email or phone call. I made my decision because timing. The speech, scheduled for 11:00 a.m. our time, falls during our lunch periods. We would have had thousands of students miss all or part of it.

I have spent 38 years in public education. I am credited with 40 due to my military service which included a tour in South Vietnam. I continue to do the work, not for the compensation, but because I love what I do. I am certain that many of the decision I have made during my career could have been better. I do believe, however, that accusing someone of cowardice without full information is also bad judgment. I can't say much about your charge of personality faults. I obviously have some or I would have retired some time ago.

I would be remiss If I didn't also tell you that this decision was entirely mine. I didn't call board members to see which way the wind was blowing. I made what I thought was a good decision based upon timing.

I really do appreciate your taking the time to email me. Disagreement is not unhealthy.

Jerry Roy


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And my response to that nonsense:

Thank you for responding but I will still have to disagree with your decision and find your reasoning a bit weak. The timing of your decision makes no difference. It does not matter that you made it before you knew it would be a big deal to many parents. The point is that you made the decision at all. Timing hardly seems like a problem especially when part of the decision also includes teachers not being allowed to record the message and show it at a better time of day or even a later date. Given that you have stipulated that it will NEVER be shown in the classroom has nothing to do with timing. You must own that part of the decision as well. That part of the decision cannot be hidden behind a timing issue.

As I stated before I will hope that this decision creates a pattern and carries over into other government officials wanting to speak to the classroom. I hope that no video of a public official is ever shown again at any LISD school, because that is the precedent you have set for this issue.

Thank you again
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:36 AM
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1. Is your kid in school today?
If not, I hope she doesn't have it counted against her on her record. If the righties can pull their kids for a day, then surely you can as well. As you so eloquently stated, fair is fair. And as far as 11:00 starting lunch, that sounds like a bunch of nonsense to me. I also am willing to bet that there will be public officials speaking at your daughter's school in the future. But not for a while. This furor will be allowed to die down first I imagine.
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TxRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 03:38 PM
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27. But will it spawn a congressional investigation
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:42 AM
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2. Very well done. eom
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:56 AM
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5. Nice. I can see Lewisville High School from my backyard.

How disappointing.


And it is cowardice; he knew he'd have to listen to the dark forces of Dick Armey's Zombie parent force if he'd allowed the speech or left it open to debate.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:51 AM
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3. wtf does his time in Vietnam have to do with this?
A very strange thing to put in his response letter.

Another strange thing....if he had no character flaws, he'd be retired? WTF does that mean?

Oh...and he made the decision before any phone calls or emails were sent....could that be because he listens to Limbaugh, Beck, etc. and thought it was a good idea? After all, he would have been technically telling the truth.

I'm sorry, but if the timing was such an issue, it would not be just a few states that are participating in boycotting the President. The fact that only red districts are doing this is very indicative that it is a political decision first and foremost.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #3
21. To convey that he shouldn't be thought
of as a "coward" is my theory.
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Mariana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:55 AM
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4. What a creep, using his military service
to try to shame you into shutting up and ignoring the blatant LIES in his reply to you. WTF does his service have to do with this?
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 10:00 AM
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6. I give him kudos for responding, but he is a fool
his reasoning was indeed beyond weak.
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 10:07 AM
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7. So. I guess the school has NEVER adjusted the schedule (including lunch) for special events?
Is that true?
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Pangolin2 Donating Member (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 10:41 AM
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15. It is a well-known fact that kids cannot eat and watch a TV at the same time.
knowwhatimean?

:shrug:
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 10:08 AM
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8. Deny? I agree with your frustration, but no one is denying your children the chance to
see his speech, it will be all over the web to be watched whenever they want.

Sorry to call you on that, but I really am tired of untrue hype.
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 10:15 AM
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9. only 40%
of our population have ready access to high speed internet.

I am not one of them. For me to watch the speech i would have to go to the library (40 min away).

Rural America is a BIG fucking part of America.


So i'm sorry to call you on that, but "the hype" you don't believe is true.


:shrug:

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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #9
10. Lewisville, TX?
If so, then the only way hi speed internet is 40 minutes away is if you're walking.
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 01:37 PM
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20. Western Massachusetts...
Farms and fields, hills and mountains, etc. It's all i see. No cell phone service or TV either. Unless i'm willing to pay for Satellite dishes. Too expensive, can't afford it.

I just get angry whenever someone assumes we all have access to the High Speeds that they are accustomed to. This is a 1 car family and the car goes where the kid (8 yrs) needs to go, so even if i wanted to go to the Library in the next town over, i wouldn't necessarily be able to.

:shrug:

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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 10:54 PM
Response to Reply #10
33. Wow, that's shocking considering when I lived in Lewisville for a few years in early 2000
I had internet and it wasn't dial-up.
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 10:39 AM
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13. Okay, fair enough, I stand down.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #8
19. Yeah, like kids are going to sit
down and watch it..the time to do it is in school when the President is speaking from a school in Virginia to school kids.
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 04:15 PM
Response to Reply #19
29. If they aren't interested at home with the encouragement of parents, then
they'd be blankly listening during school. Either it is interesting and worth watching or it's not.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 05:48 PM
Response to Reply #29
31. Whatever...Every other president spoke to the kids but
not President Obama? Fuck that shit.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 10:18 AM
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11. good on you - keep on his behind
nt
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 10:21 AM
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12. Jerry Roy is either an idiot or a liar
Regardless of which one, he is clearly unfit for that position!
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 10:40 AM
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14. At Least Jerry Roy wrote you back
I'm still Waiting to hear from the Red Oak ISD board
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LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 11:33 AM
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16. What utter bullshit. Schools routinely turn themselves into pretzels to accomodate
everything from snow days to the arrival of the local pro sports team for a school "visit" -- if the Cowboys were to announce a visit to your district, they would be accommodated, I assure you!

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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 11:43 AM
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17. I wholly support writing letters about this. However,
IMO your letter would be much more effective without the personal insults about cowardice and personality faults. You can be emphatic and persuasive without resorting to personal insults that will certainly alienate the reader from your intended message.

You misspelled "superintendent," and there are quite a few major grammar and usage errors in your letters, as well.

I am impressed that you wrote, but I seriously doubt you have convinced anyone here; rather, these notes read more like your personal opportunity to vent at someone. My advice is to take greater care, and never underestimate your ability to sway someone to your side.
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cags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 02:55 PM
Response to Reply #17
24. I considered him a coward for hiding behind the timing as an excuse for not showing the speech.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 03:41 PM
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28. I certainly understand that.
If your purpose was to vent your frustration with him and this whole mess, then you achieved it. If you hoped to make him think about your argument and possibly convince him to take your side in future similar situations, I think you probably didn't succeed.

I think my points still stand, but the choice is yours. Kudos for taking a pen to paper, though. It is certainly better than remaining silent.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 01:00 PM
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18. Of course, he could have had it recorded, and replayed in class after lunch.
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cags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 02:57 PM
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25. Thats what made me angry, he refused to even let the teachers show it at a later time.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 10:40 PM
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32. Guess that tells us the name of his tune.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 11:55 PM
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35. I heard this morning on the news differently
Here it is from the Lewisville ISD website

"District Clarifies Usage of President Obama’s Address to Students

Lewisville, TX – Due to logistical issues, the Lewisville Independent School District did not air President Obama’s speech to students live on Tuesday, Sept. 8. However, teachers may use President Obama’s speech as an instructional tool in the appropriate class time and grade-level. Parents and students will be notified prior to the classroom lesson and may opt-out of this activity."


A teacher could show it at a later time, but there's still the silly opt-out nonsense.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 01:52 PM
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22. Jerry Roy's own words should make him apologize for his decision to be an ass
I found this:

As our teachers and staff recognize our students’ futures are constantly evolving, we must continue to keep our students’ dreams alive and strong. It is our students of today who will solve our nation’s and our world’s problems of tomorrow. These solutions will stem from making our students’ dreams a reality.

http://www.thenewsconnection.com/article/Guest_Columnists/Dr_Jerry_Roy/LISD_Ready_to_Serve_50000_Students/32869


That's essentially what the BLACK President, Barack Obama, said, Dr. Roy... you asshat creep.

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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 02:17 PM
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23. How ironic
I would have thrown the military duty in his face. But clearly you are a better person than I.

Such as:

Well, since you were in the military and of course have to inform me of that so proudly, where is your loyalty to your COMMANDER in CHIEF, huh? Are you a traitor or something?

Of course I don't believe the traitor nonsense but honestly they always accuse liberals and anyone against war as being a traitor and as with every other damn thing-like death panels-they are FINE with letting people die from no medical care-it's projection. Projection, projection, projection.

They ARE traitors and would do physical harm to this president if they could. It's really the only logical conclusion. if he isn't the president legally-birthers-or he is abhorrent because he supports abortion rights for instance than that means I guess they would be willing to have a civil war over it.

The civil war has never ended for these people. And it has nothing to do with living in the South anymore. They don't support their commander in chief, they don't support a united America. I do believe this is a good instance for the military commissions act. OH kidding! If they only knew their fascist beliefs actually allow their own president to lock them up for any reason without habeas corpus. That their precious Republicons are the reason for that little travesty against humanity.

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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 03:11 PM
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26. Bullshit. It coincided with lunch at my wife's school, and they showed it.
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 04:28 PM
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30. Outstanding letters! You argued with logic and let him know you are no pushover.
Kudos!
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 11:39 PM
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34. Excellent Cags! What a creep this guy is! What the hell does
his military service have to do with the issue at hand? That's how you know he's a rush/beck/hannity nut! I wish there were more parents out there standing up the way that you did!

:fistbump:
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