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cleveramerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 05:44 AM Original message |
No democrat should throw themself on the "public option" sword |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 05:49 AM Response to Original message |
1. what? so simply passing any legislation, even if it's bad, is the answer? |
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cleveramerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 05:52 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. if the votes aren't there.... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 05:56 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I disagree. Bad legislation is not better than nothing. |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:08 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Also, does less than perfect healthcare reform necessarily=bad legislation? |
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cleveramerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 07:06 AM Response to Reply #9 |
41. news flash: its other democrats being compromised with |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:39 AM Response to Reply #3 |
15. We do not know what the final legislation is going to look like |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:40 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. sorry, I can't support a bill without a public option. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:47 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Even if it does not contain a mandate for people to get insurance? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:49 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. it wouldn't necessarily be bad, but it would almost certainly not be meaningful |
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Joe Bacon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:31 AM Response to Reply #21 |
33. The SNOWE JOB will give corporations everything |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:44 AM Response to Reply #1 |
18. Not bad...but less good perhaps. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 05:56 AM Response to Original message |
4. We Have The Presidency And Both Houses of Congress |
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jerryster (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:07 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Agreed. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:32 AM Response to Reply #8 |
14. Not only that, but... |
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AzDar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:32 AM Response to Reply #4 |
34. +1 |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:02 AM Response to Original message |
5. Great, then how do you force competition among insurance companies? |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:04 AM Response to Original message |
6. so . . . passing a repub bill does make us look good????? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:06 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. the repubs won't vote for a bill backed by Obama. period. oh, maybe |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:19 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. of course it is aimed at the bd's - but it in essense a repub bill |
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cleveramerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 07:09 AM Response to Reply #6 |
42. Passing nothing means we are hopelessly inept. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:15 AM Response to Original message |
10. There is such a scenario |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:25 AM Response to Original message |
12. So let's let the tiny minority of pugs write all the bills. |
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Becky72 (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:28 AM Response to Original message |
13. A "sword" supported by 55% and opposed by 41%? |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:40 AM Response to Original message |
16. So 10 corporate democrats |
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Proud Liberal Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:48 AM Response to Original message |
20. Agreed |
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Chef Eric (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:02 AM Response to Original message |
22. That's not very clever, cleveramerican. Not very accurate, either. |
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cleveramerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 07:09 AM Response to Reply #22 |
43. it just rolls off the tongue.. don't it? |
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Mystayya (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:22 AM Response to Original message |
23. Just more spin |
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RememberWellstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:46 AM Response to Original message |
24. bullschitt, we have/had the votes |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 07:50 AM Response to Original message |
25. I am and that's where I'm staying ... If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything. |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
26. Anything without a public option is simply welfare for the insurance companies, which don't need it. |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
27. Not true. A bill that mandated the purchase of private insurance but provided |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:14 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. What if the bill provided for co-ops? |
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Joe Bacon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:26 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Blue Cross started as a co-op |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:29 AM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Co-ops have been tried, and failed. |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 03:39 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. A menu of shit choices. n/t |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
30. The options are H.R. 676 or a Strong Public option. The rest of the Public Option |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
31. No bill is better tha abill without a public option |
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cleveramerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 07:11 AM Response to Reply #31 |
44. you are dead wrong |
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Pharlo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
35. 'statesmanship' my ass, we need LEADERSHIP |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
36. What BS! There is no sword. An overwhelming majority of Americans support a public option. |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
38. Amen. We shouldn't give up, but in the end something is better than nothing. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
39. LOL. nt |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
40. Statesmanshipmeans being willing to lose if the alternative is something even WORSE |
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