UPDATED AND CONDENSED PARLOCK INFO- DEAD TO RIGHTS!

[Guaranteed]

1) First, the Herald-Dispatch article:

It's at the end here:

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/2004/September/17/LNtop1.htm

A Republican family attended the rally to show support for the Bush-Cheney ticket. Phil Parlock, a Barboursville resident and strong Republican, said his family was accosted by some Kerry supporters.

<snip>

After standing on the tarmac with the Kerry supporters, Parklock and three of his children moved down to the airport road near a parking lot exit.

******With Parlock were sons Phil II, 21, and Alex, 11, and daughter Sophia, 3.******

Parlock said a Kerry supporter yanked a Bush-Cheney sign out of Sophia’s hands, making her cry. As they stood along the road later, someone threw the ripped-up remains of the sign at them as they passed.
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2) Next, Parlock's two past incidents of inciting things at rallies (thank you rezmutt), off Lexis Nexis, so no link

First incident, 96:

Copyright 1996 Charleston Newspapers
Charleston Daily Mail (West Virginia)
August 27, 1996, Tuesday
SECTION: News; Pg. P3C
LENGTH: 342 words
HEADLINE: DOLE SUPPORTERS FIND IT ROUGH AT CLINTON RALLY
BYLINE: The Associated Press

HUNTINGTON - Some Clinton protestors say the president's supporters
shouted them down and kept their signs from being seen as the
president kicked off his re-election campaign.
Others said they had no problem getting through the gates with signs
promoting Bob Dole's Republican candidacy.
Clint Gillespie and Robert Painter of Huntington managed to obtain
tickets to the priority viewing area outside the old Chesapeake & Ohio
passenger station in Huntington for a Clinton-Gore campaign rally on
Sunday.
Armed with the tickets, they marched through the gate with Dole-Kemp
placards tucked under their arms.
They obtained their tickets by promising those at Democratic
headquarters they would be waving signs during the president's visit,
but they did not reveal their signs would be in support of Dole.
"Clinton thinks he can just come here to Huntington and get a crowd,
but we're here to show not all West Virginians share Clinton's
values," said Gillespie, a senior at Marshall University.
"We always try to give them a warm Republican welcome," said Painter,
a recent graduate of Marshall University.
Phil Parlock's experience was less calm.
The Huntington man said he was knocked to the ground by a Clinton
supporter when he tried to display a sign that read "Remember Vince
Foster," the deputy White House counsel who committed suicide in a
Washington, D.C., park. His death has become the subject of much
debate among Clinton opponents.
"It must have been a strict Democrat who did this," Parlock said,
feeling the red abrasions on his face. "Everyone with the exception of
him was real peaceful about our protest."
Parlock said some of the crowd tried to make other anti-Clinton
demonstrators feel unwelcome. He estimated that about 150 Dole
supporters attended the rally, but their signs couldn't be seen for
most of the rally.
"I came to show that not everyone from Huntington is going to vote for
Clinton," Parlock said.
LOAD-DATE: August 28, 1996
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Second incident, 2000:

Charleston Daily Mail (West Virginia)
October 28, 2000, Saturday
SECTION: News; Pg. P1A
LENGTH: 861 words
HEADLINE: Signs for Bush taken at rally, father, son say
BYLINE: SAM TRANUM

Phil Parlock didn't expect to need all 12 of the Bush-Cheney signs he and his son Louis smuggled in their socks and pockets into the rally for Vice President Al Gore.

But each time they raised a sign, someone would grab it out of their hands, the two Huntington residents said. And sometimes it got physical.

"I expected some people to take our signs," said Louis, 12. "But I did not expect people to practically attack us."

The two said they didn't go to the Friday morning rally to start trouble.

"I came to support Bush and try to change some people's minds," Louis said.

Gore's West Virginia campaign said Bush-Cheney signs were not welcome, but physical confrontations to eliminate them would not have been condoned.

Parlock, a real estate agent, thought it would be at least as educational for his son to spend the morning at the Gore rally as it would have been to spend the day at school. So the two got in the car and drove from Huntington, arriving in Charleston about 9 a.m.

Parlock said he was a volunteer for the Bush-Cheney campaign. He is listed on the West Virginia Bush-Cheney Web site as the Cabell County contact for the campaign.

But he said he came as a supporter, not a campaign worker. His visit to Charleston was "unencouraged and unsanctioned," he said. The idea was to show that there was another option besides Gore.

"My opinion of the press is it always shows the liberal viewpoint," he said. "And we have to struggle to show the other side exists."

He and Louis brought a supply of Bush-Cheney signs and smuggled them into the rally. They stuffed plastic ones in their socks and pockets and folded paper ones inside Gore-Lieberman signs.

Though tickets to the event specifically said no signs would be allowed in, Parlock said he walked right in with the Gore-Lieberman signs. He said people who carried Bush-Cheney signs openly were not allowed to bring them inside.

Parlock and his son, clad in white button-down shirts and ties, took their place in front of the Capitol steps and waited. As the rally got going, they started raising their signs and people immediately began stealing them, Parlock said.

"Three guys came up and squeezed me in and one grabbed my arms and pulled them down and another took the sign," Parlock said.

"Another guy came up and tried to grab the sign but I had a good hold of it and he stumbled and bumped into other people and started a ruckus," he said. Parlock said the police ejected the man from the rally.

Police said Friday evening they could not yet comment on any incidents at the rally.

Parlock said a group of people wearing T-shirts and jackets with the United Mine Workers of America logo took away many of their signs.

"I didn't see anything like that," said Ted Hapney, an international representative for the United Mine Workers. "I wouldn't do that. We don't condone any type of violence."

Another incident involved Louis and a teenage girl he and Parlock said they met at the rally. They said they didn't know who she was.

"She walked up and said 'I'll get on your shoulders and hold a sign,' " Louis said.

While she was sitting on Louis' shoulders waving a Bush-Cheney sign, a man who identified himself as a volunteer for the Gore campaign tried to pull the sign out of the girl's hands, Parlock said. He pulled so hard that Louis and the girl fell over.

"That sounds like an exaggeration," said Sarah Feinberg, spokeswoman for Gore's West Virginia campaign.

Parlock said the man was wearing a yellow pass around his neck. Feinberg said the color for a volunteer pass would be orange, while yellow passes were given to members of the press.

"We certainly don't have a policy of ripping signs out of people's hands," said Feinberg. "If someone brings a Bush-Cheney sign, we don't like it but we don't go to great lengths to obscure."

Parlock said after all his signs were stolen, he got some more from a group of Bush supporters who had not been allowed into the rally.

Though police said they were not ready to make official comment Friday evening, earlier Friday an officer said he had seen a scuffle during the rally.

Charleston Police Patrolman R.H. Vinyard said the incident involved people with Bush-Cheney signs, though he could not identify them by name. He said Gore supporters got into a fight with the Bush supporters about 10 minutes before the end of Gore's speech.

He said the altercation lasted about 45 seconds, was over before the police arrived to break it up and no one was treated for injuries. Afterward, he said, the Bush supporters tore up their own signs and left the area.

As workers cleaned up the debris from the rally in front of the Capitol after the rally, Parlock sat next to a pile of ripped up Bush-Cheney signs he had collected. He said he thought the people who took his signs went too far.

Still, he said he'd do it again.

And he thinks it was a good educational experience for Louis, too.

"You can't get this kind of a lesson in school," he said.

Writer Sam Tranum can be reached at 348-4872 or by e-mail at [e-mail]
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3) Now, the AP photos:





Note the union guy wearing a IUPAT (International Union of Painters and Allied Trades) t-shirt, also looks like he's holding a piece of the torn-up sign.

4) Next, the Parlock family:



See the guy on the right?



And Phil Parlock Sr., compared to the "union" guy:



Now, put that together with the info above. Two of his sons were there, you can see Alex on Phil Sr.'s left. So- where's Phil Jr?

You're looking at him: the guy with the union shirt- Phil Jr, mentioned way at the top of the page in the Herald-Dispatch story. He was THERE.

You can also see 11 year old Alex, blonde, on Phil Sr.'s left. If the other guy ISN'T Phil Jr., where IS Phil Jr.?

It's him.

5) Finally, we need to see what that t-shirt says.

It probably looks something like this:





You can make out the "K" in Kerry and the "ds" in Edwards on that shirt.

Now, why would Phil Jr. be wearing a IUPAT shirt and holding a torn piece of sign? Because he's trying to set us up. That's why.
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Thanks to jchild, girlgonemad and rezmutt for most of this info, and everyone else. :)

What we need to do now is get as much as possible of what Parlock has said about the incident, from Freeperville, or anywhere else.

[spooky3]

1. Nominated for homepage!

[skooooo]

3. Yup..good idea

[shrub chipper]

2. If only they spent as much thought and effort on solving the Iraq crisis

as they do on this shit:mad:

[blondeatlast]

4. God, (I mean that literally) I feel sorry for that little girl.

These are sick bastards.

Especially proud to be a DUer today!

[ScreamingMeemie]

5. When will this man stop having children to use in this manner?

After reading the news articles and seeing that this just "seems to happen" to this man all the time, I'm really having doubts that the story is real.

That poor little girl.

[mbali]

32. They have 10 kids - the better to always have a little tyke to use for

craven political stunts.

Keep those babies coming, Parlocks. You'll need a toddler for the 2008 Kerry Reelection Campaign rallies.

[yardwork]

6. Add the information about the photographer to this thread

On other threads, posts note that the photographer who took the above photo knows the Parlocks and must know that they have been the "victims" of at least three similar events. It looks like the entire event was staged for the photograph.

Also note that Parlock has run for his local school board at least four times. The county school board and Department of Social Services might be interested to know that he is using his minor children as props in fake assaults.

[Guaranteed]

10. Yeah, I was wanting to do that...

Do we have any actual info on the photographer?

[girl gone mad]

13. Yep..

we need the information on the photographer and also Phil Senior's Free Republic posts regarding this incident.

[Guaranteed]

19. Tee hee

I'm freaking drooling....

[MisterGamut]

174. I used to work as a newspaper photog

since the picture and story were submitted to the AP, if the story was staged, the paper would be very interested. That would be highly unethical. It would be a major blackeye. If we write the paper, it might inspire an internal investigation. If we are right, this should lead to a public exposure in the paper in the form of an apology to their readers.

This could be the antidote to the Killian docs blackeye.

[SidDithers]

7. Great Job, DU'ers!

Nothin gets past you people :toast:

Sid

[Rockholm]

8. How sad the the corporate media will not report..

Even worse, corporate media is so incredibly dumbed down that they do not even do research anymore. My hunch is that it is easier for them to read sludge to get spoon-fed their news. I am sure that some of them may look at DU, but think that they would actually do any real investigation? HA.
Why is there no reporting of the PNAC designs on Iraq from 2000-2001?
The corporate media machine is both corrupt and lazy.

[madmax]

9. Never in a million years would I think of doing something

like this. These people are abominable. Devious, outrageous, unbelievable!! :mad:

[KoKo]

11. Who is pushing this story about the Parlock family. I missed what

happened about this..?? Are the cables using this family as a way to trash Dems? :shrug:

[yardwork]

14. Drudge was pushing it last night, and a lot of new posters here at DU

The original story was linked and hyped by some new posters last night. Then they started scolding all of "us" for doing such a terrible thing. Then they started reporting that the story was showing up on outraged blogs all over the internet.

In short, the freepers were pushing this story, and it looks like it was sent to a lot of newspapers.

[KoKo]

94. Thanks.....I'm glad I missed it then.....disgusting (n/t)

[yardwork]

12. Link isn't working

BullGooseLooney - the link at the top of your condensed post isn't working.

Thank you for your wonderful sleuthing! A lot of us here last night were very suspicious about this story, but you are the one who took the initiative and found the evidence!

[Guaranteed]

16. K, fixed...

Thanks...sorry bout that...actually had to make this post twice cuz my browswer screwed up (posted in another window). Gets pretty tiresome. :)

[ScreamingMeemie]

15. I also think Phil should be emailed, asking him why it seems that

he is front and center in all of these disturbances. And is Phil the only person ever available for a quote in this town? :shrug:

[Roland99]

17. Wow...a professional idiot

and one that puts his kids in the limelight. Gee...what a dad. <rolling eyes>

[Insomnicole]

18. I think the kid in the grey shirt is a better match for the sign-ripper.

But other than that, I'm in awe of the DU Scooby gang. Dollars to donuts that the random teenage girl in the 2000 incident is another Parlock spawn, too.

[girl gone mad]

20. He has a daughter..

that would have been the right age.

[girl gone mad]

33. He's too short in the family photo.

I also did an enlargement of his face, and didn't think the match was as good.

You could be right, though.

[jayfish]

44. No, The Tell Tail Sign That It Is The Blue Wearing Son...

is the structure of his arm. They are in the same position in both photo's and are identical matches. Check it out.

Jay

[MissB]

46. I agree - the nose especially. (nt)

[Guaranteed]

47. Look at

post 24, though...

[MissB]

110. Ahem

:P

Seriously, though, the family resemblence is there in both kids. I just see more of a point to the nose of the grey shirted kid and something about the shape of his forehead really seems to match.

[girl gone mad]

117. You could be right..

I was looking pretty carefully at the height, though. Could the brother in the grey shirt have grown that much?

Either way, you have to admit that the union guy would fit in pretty well at the Parlock family reunion.

[spotbird]

141. When was the family photo taken?

The younger boy looks like he has grown a bit since the picture was taken compared to the rally, maybe the adolescent boy has also.

[Guaranteed]

21. Just submitted this thread to Drudge...

Thanks to everybody, especially girlgonemad....she was the workhorse for this one. MANY great finds.

girlgonemad:

:yourock:

[girl gone mad]

35. No..

I wasn't the workhorse. I had been looking for a photo of the Parlock kids, but had almost given up when rezmutt started the thread with the information about Parlock's past. That was the real revelation, IMO.

[Cronus Protagonist]

176. Why?

Why would you send it to him? Do you think he'll publish it?


http://brainbuttons.com/home.asp?stashid=13

[Guaranteed]

190. Well, he did take his report down. nt

[BurtWorm]

22. jchild, girlgonemad, rezmutt, BullGooseLooney: I salute you!!

:insert saluting smiley:

You murdered that lame piece of shit story! Got it right between it's crocodily cryin' eyes!

[trumad]

26. Atrios is on this as well....

Great job

[displacedtexan]

23. Freeper thread on this is amusing!

To: Warren_Piece
The father has ten kids, what a man.
The average Democrat has only 0.35 kids.
22 posted on 09/17/2004 6:46:08 AM PDT by Jack_1
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To: Jack_1
The father has ten kids, what a man.

It's the mother I stand in awe of.
23 posted on 09/17/2004 6:57:27 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: Warren_Piece

He is now on the Steve Gill show in Nashville.

24 posted on 09/17/2004 6:58:25 AM PDT by halosfan2002 (End the Patriot Act...Kill all terrorists!!)
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To: halosfan2002

The boy next to the father and girl is his son.

25 posted on 09/17/2004 7:00:58 AM PDT by halosfan2002 (End the Patriot Act...Kill all terrorists!!)
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To: Warren_Piece
Dad says he's VERY busy. I take it to mean he'll be making a lot of media appearances.

Funny, I took that as a reference to his 10 kids! LOL!

I don't have anything against this guy at all, but I've heard too many stories about violent union workers to take my kids to protest at a Kerry rally.
26 posted on 09/17/2004 7:02:11 AM PDT by Dianna
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To: BufordP

everybody should rate that photo a 5 and get it all the exposure possible.

27 posted on 09/17/2004 7:07:10 AM PDT by Kryptonite
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1218780/posts

[Guaranteed]

28. Yeah! Rate it a five!!

LOL!!!

[JerseygirlCT]

39. You know, they might be right about one thing -m

the guy next to the father and girl just MIGHT BE his son...
I'm guessing they weren't thinking about the guy on dad's right though!

[skygazer]

62. "The father has ten kids"

"What a man."

WTF does that mean? That you're more of a man if you can keep your wife barefoot and pregnant? These people are sick! :wtf:

[Guaranteed]

24. Look at this:

http://www.marshall.edu/alumni/Thundertones.asp

Phil Jr. was is in a choir, apparently. There are two pictures on that page, but they're pretty small on the webpage. But when I link to them they blow up:





Which one's him? Look's like the guy on the far left, to me.




AND BIG THANKS TO MRS. GRUMPY!!! :)

[girl gone mad]

63. nevermind

[neomonkey]

157. Not to interupt this wonderful thread

But that is one ugly-ass choir.

Sorry, please resume. (By the way, is that Hitler's ghost in the back row?)

[girl gone mad]

169. I don't believe Parlock is in those photos..

Neither of the two possibles is a close enough match to the family photo. Also, the Marshall chorus web site says they have 34 members, but there are only 22 men in the photos.

I looked at the enlargements, and found too many discrepencies. I thought the man in the center was a possibility, but the hair is off and his shoulders are not broad enough.

This is just my opinion, of course.

[SidDithers]

25. blogsphere has it....

atrios and rising hegemon have picked it up, with links back to the DU thread.

Sid

[Skinner]

27. I don't know if anyone's mentioned this about the "ripped" sign.

If a 3-year old girl is holding a sign, and a burly "union guy" rips it, what are the chances that she'd still have a little piece of the sign in her hands? There's no chance.

If a grown man took a sign from a three-year-old, he would just take the sign. A small piece wouldn't remain in her hands.

For the sign to rip in her hands, the three-year-old would have to be strong enough to hold onto it when the "union guy" grabbed for it.

[ScreamingMeemie]

29. You're right. A three year old would only have that type of grip on a

sucker, perhaps...but not a sign. Good catch. :hi:

[Guaranteed]

30. YOU found an AWESOME pic...

Did you see how it blew up? ;)

[ScreamingMeemie]

31. Thanks! Yes I did! I am thinking it's the guy in the front row.

Thanks for doing that for me! :hi: You've done a bang up job.

[Guaranteed]

34. Yup...front, our left (post 24, folks :) )

That's him. EXCELLENT job!

[jean]

48. who is the guy with downcast face behind Parllock? Is that Phil 2?

Plus, although this was staged, the fact remains the child was traumatized to the point of crying. At that point her father should have taked her off his shoulders and held her close - kind of what a good father like John Edwards would probably do. Heck if JE had been close enough he would have comforted that poor little girl.

[Guaranteed]

54. I don't think so...look at

post 24....Phil Jr. is in those choir pics...and no one looks like that guy...

The match seems to be the guy in the front, on our left in the choir pics....with the guy in the hat.

[Cha]

161. A sucker for sure! LOL!

:D

[Francine Frensky]

66. Well, my two-year old has ripped lots of paper this way

unfortunately, she likes to grab my older kids homework and run around with it, and when you try to take it out of her hands, she just pulls it away so it rips in this fashion.

Actually, this is probably why they used this child, they had noticed this behavior at home, so they set up the situation knowing that she would hold the sign tight, and perhaps the father had warned her earlier about not ripping the sign, holding it tight because it was "important", so it was upsetting to her when it was ripped.

children this age cry when they do something wrong, whether it was their fault or not.

[Skinner]

78. We're not talking about a piece of loose-leaf paper here.

This is a cardboard campaign sign.

[Norquist Nemesis]

114. The 3 year old ISN'T holding the sign in either picture--LOOK!

In both cases, it's daddy who has the sign. He's holding it up and unless you look closely, it looks like she has it...but she's not touching it. She has her hands folded on top of his head.

[KurtNYC]

147. Good catch -- Dad is being careful to keep it in a certain position

it is in exactly the same position in both photos.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

195. Skinner, I thought one of the stories mentions that "someone" threw the

sign pieces back at Parlock (conveniently, so he could pose for the photo with them). He of course picked them up while carrying the girl on his shoulders. While his son, who was definitely NOT wearing a union t-shirt, was guarding the car. Instead of being at the rally with them. Which he had been. Up to that time.

I think that pretty well sums it up.

[Guaranteed]

36. You know, we might be wrong on one thing...

The guy in the FAMILY pic that we thought was Phil Jr. might not be him...the guy on the right, I'm talking about.

Phil Jr. is in the National Guard, right? It might be the guy in the truck with the hat. We can't see his face, though.



Luckily, with Mrs. Grumpy's pics we have a match between Jr. and "union guy."







On the other hand, the blow-up of the family pic DOES still look like the guy in the choir pic.

[girl gone mad]

37. That's his daughter..

in the truck.

His son is in the NG, but could be on leave (or may have completed his tour by now). He has another son that was to enter the NG the day after he gave an interview.

It could be the son in the grey shirt in the family picture, though. He would have had to grow a few inches in the last couple of years.

Also, remember the Herald article that says his som Phil Jr. was with him. No mention of Phil in the AP or Washington Times articles.

[Guaranteed]

40. I don't think it's the guy in the gray,

because nobody looks anything like him in the choir photos. He definitely has brown hair.

[ScreamingMeemie]

42. Here is another picture from the Thundertones' website:

[Guaranteed]

43. Excellent!

:)

[girl gone mad]

75. What do you guys think..

hmm.. this one:



?

[ScreamingMeemie]

76. Check out the chin.

That and the eyebrows.

[Hard Attack]

200. It doesn't have to be his son

Looking at the photo of the 'Thunder Tones', the guy who in the front row, 3rd from the left is a dead ringer to the guy wearing the Green Hat who has been labeled 'The Suspect'.

Those who sing together, play together?

The Coincidence of the logo on the hat of 'The Suspect', being pretty much the same as 'Marshall University', and over at 'Marshall University' you have a photo of this guy who appears to be a dead ringer to 'The Suspect' will lead you to believe that it ads up to staged event.

So even if it turns out that Phil Parlocs Son isn't the guy in front row of this Barber Shop Quartet, the question is, who is this guy in the front row of the Barber Shop Quartet.

The eyes, the nose, the jawline, the chin all appear to be very similar.

I tell you, if this all turns out to be a staged event, then that Radio Talk Show Host 'Glenn Bell' description of this guy being a 'Monster' is appropriate. (Among other words that can be used).

[HootieMcBoob]

38. Should we blast this stuff out to the media types?

the cable news people etc?

[Guaranteed]

41. Still waiting on that photographer info

and Parlock's FR posts....

[yardwork]

51. Has anyone contacted the painters union?

I'll be glad to help. Point me in the right direction.

[Snivi Yllom]

142. Apology issued from the IUPAT President already, it was a union member.

They are dealing with it internally. It was not the son. It was a union member.

http://www.ibpat.org/news/WVa.html

The International Union of Painters and Allied Trades believes in the fundamental right for civil discourse, freedom of speech and activism to support our candidates and issues.

What happened in Huntington, West Virginia yesterday is an affront to everything we, as a union, pride ourselves to represent. We extend our apologies to the Parlock family, especially Sophia, for the distress one of our overzealous members caused them.

I have personally taken steps to address this issue internally, and will take immediate disciplinary action to the fullest extent allowed under U.S. Department of Labor regulations and the constitution of the International Union of Painters and Allied Trades.

It is my hope that this incident reminds all of our members that every last citizen in this country has the right to express his or herself freely. Not one single one of us has the right to tell them otherwise.

General President James A. Williams
The International Union of Painters and Allied Trades

[Guaranteed]

143. WE'VE SEEN THAT BULLSHIT A HUNDRED TIMES.

It's CYA. It's NOTHING.

[Snivi Yllom]

145. suposedly this is Parlock's son

Unless he gained a lot of weight it's not the guy in the union shirt, not even close in appearance.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=831925&mesg_id=831925

http://www.iplayoutside.com/Events/2000/08/1915c3.html

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

196. The fact that the union issued a letter like this in no way addresses

whether one of their members in fact did anything. Like the other poster says, they are just "CYA" in case someone did. You'll have to come up with better info than that.

[Guy Inagorillasuit]

52. Photographer info

Here is a webpage with contact numbers of the photographer, Randy Snyder:

http://www.sportsshooter.com/members.html?id=236

Randy Snyder: chief photographer: The Herald-Dispatch
Address: 946 Fifth Ave., Huntington, WV, USA
Phone: [phone] (cell)
304-526-2769 (office)
Fax: [phone]


Interestingly, his daughter's name is "Reagan." Hmm...

[Guaranteed]

53. Well...

We're kinda thinking he might be IN on it, so I'm not sure what I'd ask him LOL....

Maybe we could get Dan Rather to do it?

[robbedvoter]

58. He should be asked anyway - we'll take it from his response

The father should be asked point blank if his son was at the event . "And what was he wearing?"

[JerseygirlCT]

184. Also found this:

http://www.christiansinphotojournalism.org/directory/S.html

[girl gone mad]

77. FR posts..

He posts under the pseudo "Tail Gunner John"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/user-posts?name=TAIL+GUNNER+JOHN

[lostnfound]

124. But only for the past 5 days.. ? nt

[girl gone mad]

129. I don't think that's him.

Someone posted this link earlier, but after reading through all of the comments, I'm pretty sure the FR poster is the guy who got taken down by a Union guy last week at a Kerry rally.

[Onlooker]

45. Just sent this to a friend who works at a tabloid

This is a great tabloid story. It has photos, children, union workers, and deceit. All that's missing is sex.

[EST]

49. How about truth and democracy get f***ed?

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[Onlooker]

50. Also sent this link to CBS Evening News!

It has some parallels to the issue about the Killian memos in that it appears that AP and many newspapers got duped.

[Jane Austin]

118. Sex? How do you get ten kids? :)

Also, with ten kids, somebody is going to have had a problem along the line.

Especially with a father like theirs.

[LoZoccolo]

55. I wonder if the union has credit card info for the shirt.

I'm wondering how the guy got it - maybe he paid for it with a credit card, and we could trace it back to him? Or got it sent somewhere that we could trace to him?

[LTR]

57. Contact info for the union

http://www.ibpat.org/about/index.html

Contact Our Offices
Phone: [phone]
Email: (TBD)
Address: 1750 New York Avenue, NW, Washington, DC 20006

[LTR]

56. The RW talk show guys are falling for it

Parlock's gonna be on Glen Beck this morning (if you can stomach really bad talk radio).

And this RW blog is being attacked for falling for it:

http://patriotparadox.mu.nu/archives/046320.php

[Glenster]

170. Can you believe this guy.

Here is the Glen Beck interview with this Parlock guy.

http://www.glennbeck.com/news/09172004-2.shtml

In the first interview you will notice that Parlock sounds significantly more confident than in the 2nd interview.

In the 2nd interview when Beck is questioning him about the allegations that he staged this event with his family, he sounds MUCH more nervous and off kilter.

Notice that in the 2nd interview when he is confronted by Beck as to whether the individual in the Painters Union shirt is his son, Parlock does not rebuke the notion that he or his family would be involved in such a despicable act and ruse. No. It's quite telling that instead he says "Does it sound like one of my children would be dressed like that?"

This is telling in that IF this wasn't a set-up then his first instinct when confronted with this accusation would not be to point out the clothing of the perpetrator. However if it WAS a set-up, then his first instinct very likely WOULD be to point out the disguise that was employed to clearly define the perpetrator as a Kerry supporter.

Interestingly he later recalls a past confrontation with... the Painter's Union. Hmmmmmm

He confirms that his other son IS attending Marshall. Which gels with the fact that the perpetrator appears to be wearing a Marshall cap.

Another subtle clue in the 2nd interview. Beck states he has "three other AP stories..." I found it interesting that Parlock corrected him that there were only TWO other stories. It seems funny that he would be so quick to correct that, as though he had the two other incidents and subsequent news articles about it at the forefront of his mind, and YET he acts as though he is not quite sure about the year(s) these incidents occurred.

Beck does a decent job of dressing this guy down, but then totally lets him off the hook in the end by suggesting that he accepts Parlock's version of events.

On another note from the 1st interview, Parlock tries to suggest what a stark contrast there is between his experience at the Kerry rally and that of when he and his daughter met George Bush at Bush rally, where Parlock's daughter hugged George Bush and Bush thanked her.

Fortunately Beck actually calls him on this unfair comparison, stating that surely Parlock can't believe that Kerry or Edwards would do anything but hug his daughter and be very kind to her. Of course Parlock tries to continue to draw a distinction as if no such thing would EVER happen at a Republican rally.

Beck should have suggested he go to a Bush rally and hold up his daughter holding a Kerry/Edwards sign. Based on the behavior we've already seen of Bush supporters assaulting Bush protesters, I suspect him and his daughter's lives would be in grave danger if he were to try THAT little experiment. But then he wouldn't be able to tell his daughter "This is why we support George Bush".

And FINALLY! What is it with radical fundamentalist Christians taking such things as BE FRUITFUL AND MULTIPLY so very literally, and yet ALSO being notorious violators of the 9th Commandment (Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness Against Thy Neighbor)?

[girl gone mad]

175. Good points!

Welcome to DU.

I also think that the statements he is making in his defense seem odd.

[Sparkle]

59. ROTFL! OMG!

Good work!

[TNOE]

60. Anybody want to go over and straighten these goons out?

http://www.rightnation.us/forums/index.php?showtopic=52983&st=0

[robbedvoter]

69. They are already CYA according to this muddled post on that board

Posted: Sep 17 2004, 07:48 AM



Newbie

Group: Registered Guest
Posts: 11
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Glenn Beck has interviewed the dad 2 times this morning and asked him if the rumor is true that the guy next to him was his son (NO) and he is asking the hard questions about the previous times the father was assaulted during protest and why he would bring his daughter knowing this was possible. The father gave some good answers. I don't remember the exact answers (fighting over highway space with Kerry/Edwards supporter, my mind was a little preoccupied) but Glenn is staying on top of this and posting a lot of information about it on his web site, www.glennbeck.com.


As you can see from the website, the guy interviewing is...surprise - a freeper too.

[LTR]

61. Why is the 'union' kid smiling?

Look at these pics again:





Doesn't look that angry to me.

This picture looked kinda funny to me last night. It was as if something wasn't right, but I gave it the benefit of the doubt. I am thoroughly convinced the whole thing was staged, and the 'union' guy is his son.

[WolverineDG]

112. something isn't right

just by looking at the photos & knowing how people would behave. now i might be a bit biased towards my dad, but i would think that if some guy came up & pulled a sign out of my hands, my dad wouldn't stand there & pout while i was crying on his shoulders. he'd put me down in 0 flat, then deck the asshole who made me cry.

as for the other members of the crowd, i doubt highly they would stand around & tolerate a fellow kerry supporter picking on a small child. based on what i saw in the photos in this link, i haven't seen any behavior you would expect from people in a situation like this. the body language is all wrong & the guy is just standing there smiliing instead of running like he should have.

dg

[ScreamingMeemie]

115. Agreed. This would be a high action shot. Lots of scuffling, lots of

mouths open in anger. It wouldn't be the Christ like silent suffering that has been represented. And everyone has that nervous, "are we on yet?" look about them.

[yardwork]

64. Add this new thread to your summary

Parlock is quoted as complaining that a painters union guy tore his daughter's sign.

Busted.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x829891

[Kathy in Cambridge]

65. Good work! Someone should send this to Randi or Mike Malloy

[yardwork]

67. Add this new thread to the summary - Parlock was present at a shooting

that took place at an RNC headquarters some months ago. Parlock is quoted as saying that it "must have been a Democrat" who did the shooting. Given Parlock's propensity to stage fake attacks on himself and his children at political rallies, this bears some investigation.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=829737&mesg_id=829737&page=

[Guaranteed]

70. I can't edit anymore....it's been too long...

I put the post right below this, though, in BIG letters...hopefully that will get people's attention.

Or, we could just make another thread.

You can, if you like...you could just copy my two posts and put them together.

[ScreamingMeemie]

71. That's a good idea. Post an update thread.

:hi:

[Guaranteed]

73. We just need to talk to Skinner about it...nt

[Guaranteed]

68. ****UPDATE: ABSOLUTE *MUST* READ*****

Remember the shooting at a Republican Headquarters in Huntington, West Virginia a couple of weeks ago?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=829737&mesg_id=829737

We all thought it was a hoax. Well, guess who was there.

That's right. Phil Parlock.

This thread sums it up:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=829737&mesg_id=829737

[myrna minx]

74. Good lord...this guy is a nut case.

Great research, DUers! :toast:

[gasperc]

84. jeez-are we living in a freakish alternate universe

what a nutbag

Great work, let's get this whiney fucker embarrassed and exposed!!!!!

[Cronus Protagonist]

177. Well, to be fair, of course he would be there

He's a member of the party and active in it too. Let's not fly off the handle here and accuse them of sniping thier own event when there's not a shred of proof of that other than he attended a meeting along with dozens of other people.


http://brainbuttons.com/home.asp?stashid=13

[Guaranteed]

183. It's not just a coincidence.

REALLY think about it. This guy gets "assaulted" everywhere he goes, it seems.

[johnlal]

72. Notify the NAACP?

http://www.callmcguire.com/associates/agent-pp.shtml

States that Parlock is an active member of NAACP. I wonder what he's up to there?

[myrna minx]

79. Has anyone emailed this to Snopes? n/t

[Guy Inagorillasuit]

81. Photo of Phil II?

This photo shows someone identified as "Philip
Parlock" participating in a 5K running event in West
Virginia in 2000. I don't see any resemblance between him and
the union thug, so Phil II may not be the perp...

http://www.iplayoutside.com/images/view.php?IMG_TAG=Events/2000/08/1915/pic-0037.jpg

[Guaranteed]

82. It could be Sr.

Where does it say it's Phil Parlock?

On edit: Here's the pic




If you compare that pic with the pic here:

http://www.callmcguire.com/associates/agent-pp.shtml



it looks almost exactly like him, just thinner.

[Guy Inagorillasuit]

91. Phil II

The runner in that photo looks like he's in his late teens or early 20s, and if you Google "Philip Parlock," you get a couple results for him as a high school runner in WV around this time.

It's possible that Phil II porked up in the 4 years since this photo was taken, too, but I don't think the runner in that photo is the Republican professional martyr.

[girl gone mad]

86. He doesn't look like anyone else..

in the family portrait, either. Either he is not related to the other Phil Parlock, or the person in that photo has been misidentified.

I ran accross this photo in my search last night, but discounted it for the reasons above, and because several of the people in that series of photographs are left unidentified, with big question marks. It seems as if the person tasked with identifying the runners wasn't up to the job.

[doni_georgia]

133. That picture is 4 years old from high school. Age the guy and fatten him

up and it's the same guy.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

197. Nice try, Gorilla, and "Backwards Molly Ivins".

[Chili]

80. oh man...

...you guys are AWESOME.

OUTSTANDING! :toast:

[frylock]

83. pam parlock said she belongs to the marshall young republicans

could be a stretch, but doesn't it look like painter union guy is sporting a Marshall cap? If he lives in Huntington, perhaps he's just a fan, but still...



taken from a post by jchild

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=828458#828579

Monday, July 5, 2004
Thousands cheer Bush
At state Capitol, President defends war on terrorism
By JIM ROSS - The Herald-Dispatch

<snip>
The Phil Parlock family of Barboursville -- father, mother and 10 children -- likewise made the trip as a family. Rachel, 13, said it was the second time she had seen Bush.

"It was really good that we got the president on the 4th of July," she said.

Her older sister, Pam, 22, said she has seen Bush so many times she has lost count.

"You hope to get closer each time. Hopefully someday we’ll get a handshake," she said.

Pam Parlock said she be-longs to the Marshall Young Republicans, and she could have sat with them, but she wanted to be with her family, even if it cost her the handshake. She is a member of the West Virginia Army National Guard and was called to duty last year. The 1257th Transportation Co., to which she belongs, spent some time at West Point, but it never went overseas, she said.

Alex Parlock, 11, said he shook Bush’s hand four years ago during a campaign visit at Harris Riverfront Park in Huntington. Alex said he was sitting on his father’s shoulders and wearing a Bush mask when then-candidate Bush saw him and shook his hand.

<snip>

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/2004/July/05/LNspot.htm

[Guaranteed]

85. I'm not sure what a hat like that would look like...

Can you find an example?

[ScreamingMeemie]

87. Here is a hat from the Gear shop at Marshall...

I can't tell.

Here's the link. There are a few hats. This one was the closest.

http://www.collegegear.com/sf/stores/1295/c-12951.shtml

[progressivebydesign]

103. Bingo!! DAMN! You're GOOD!!!

Now the media needs to pick this up and report it as a part of a string of staged events to make the Democrats look bad. That family reminds me of the Phelps family.. sick people.

[frylock]

88. i'm just going by the logo and color..

and again, it is a stretch; he could be a student or fan of the football team.

[Guaranteed]

90. I think you're freakin' right!!

:)

That looks like that logo....and the hat itself is green- BIG GREEN.


AWESOME job!

[Chiyo-chichi]

148. Phillip Parlock, Jr. is also a Marshall student

I came to this story this afternoon from Randi Rhodes message board -- sorry if everyone already realizes this, but Phil Jr. is a student at MARSHALL!! The "choir somewhere" he is pictured as being a member of is a Marshall University group.

So we are supposed to believe that the "union guy" who ripped the sign and happens to be wearing a Marshall hat -- is NOT a member of the Parlock family?!

Gimmee a break!

Just go to the Marshall website & search for "Parlock." He's also on the Dean's list, but was too stupid to leave his Marshall hat at home.

[Chiyo-chichi]

152. from the Marshall University directory:

Information/status
There were 3 matches to your request.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Entry 1:
Full name
Parlock, Pamela Jane

Electronic Mail Address
[e-mail]

Phone
733-5156


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Entry 2:
Full name
Parlock, Philip Patrick

Electronic Mail Address
[e-mail]

Phone
733-5156


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Entry 3:
Full name
Parlock, Peter Preston

Electronic Mail Address
[e-mail]

Phone
733-5156

[Chiyo-chichi]

154. 3 Parlocks attend Marshall

where they are roomates with the same phone number.

[robbedvoter]

89. Eldest sister posts on the FR

QUOTE
To everyone:
I am the eldest of the Parlock clan. I am Sophia's older sister. To clarify for all of you, the photo WAS NOT A SET-UP. Perhaps it is hard for some of you to believe that Kerry supporters really can be that cruel. She is crying real tears, the thug in the picture is NOT one of our brothers, Dad really IS upset, and boy on the right is a brother and has fists clenched ready to fight. I am disappointed that some of you think a Bush supporter would actually set something like that up. One of my other brothers has been on some of the other threads clarifying other questions. I thought I should get on here and clarify before things got blown out of proportion. To the rest of you who have shown nothing but support THANK YOU! Dad had no intention of causing problems. He merely took my sister and brother out to show support of the President. It is a sad day when we cannot assemble peacefully in support of the President. Someone mentioned it was a shame Dad took a 3-year old with him in protest. There is a difference in protesting and supporting. He was not heckling, not chanting, yelling, nor antagonizing. He was merely standing there with signs. There is no crime against that. This is America, one should think that he would be able to take his young daughter out and show support without being concerned about her safety among fellow West Virginians. Also, I am disappointed with the WV comment. No, not everyone in WV is related. BTW My brothers look NOTHING like that thug in the photo! Zoom in and take a better look!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1...ts?q=1&&page=51

[johnlal]

95. Right...

The next day 2 of the Parlock children are busily spinning their story on FreeRepublic. It's a family project!

[Guaranteed]

99. It's not even them. nt

[Insomnicole]

98. Uh huh.

So how come Daddy wasn't kicking the the "thug" sign-ripper's ass to kingdom come? Sounds like his 11-year-old with the clenched fists is more of a man than he is.

And I'm glad we have another Parlock on record claiming that the guy in the union shirt 1. is the sign ripper, and 2. isn't a Parlock.

[Norquist Nemesis]

125. And now *POOF!*

it's been pulled.

[Guaranteed]

126. It's actually

still there...I found it at the site, the link just doesn't work, for some reason. I mean, it's the right link- it just doesn't work from here.

[Kahuna]

165. Oh boo freakin hoo. You're breakin' my heart...

Not! :nopity:

[MirrorAshes]

182. So its all a big coincidence, it happening 3 elections in a row and all?

Right. I believe that.

[Kimber Scott]

92. Pretty sad to potentially sacrifice your daughter for political gain.

Nobody should be putting their kid in the line of fire, but I guess Republicans will use anybody as a prop.

[janx]

93. BGL, whether or not the guy who ripped the sign is Parlock's son--

The guy is a nut with a history of these kinds of scuffles. I can't believe that anyone would take him seriously.

The most important part of all of this is that the guy seems to revel in being a political victim and making "news."

[robbedvoter]

100. Bingo. 3 elections, same story: "Libs attacked me" Poor baby - so

accident prone! "Why me?"
That convinced me. The guy next to him is also too happy for the circumstances. An angry, shouting pose might have been more convincing,

[Julian English]

96. Let Carrie Spencer and the rest of AP know that the story is a hoax

AP picked up this hoax, Spencer has the byline--it's more of a hoax than any memo


Let them know:
http://www.ap.org/pages/contact/contact.html


http://www.ap.org/pages/contact/contact_pr.html
"If the story has national or international significance, e-mail [e-mail]. Do not send attachments in e-mail messages.

[tjdee]

97. If Dems are so dangerous, WHY KEEP GOING TO THEIR RALLIES?

If he miraculously finds all these dangerous Democrats, why would he keep returning, ultimately bringing his THREE YEAR OLD?

[Sparkly]

102. Right, and leaving her up on his shoulders next to the man

who physically confronted her? I don't THINK so...

[deckerd]

128. For the same reason peaceful protestors take their kids

to rallies where there is a risk of arrest.

Of course, assuming the instigator was his son, this guy's motive was not peaceful protest but right wing style protest warfare.

But I do not question your average person taking their kid to a Dem rally with a BC-04 sign, or vice versa. Why should I?

They are placing their faith in the political system and the moral compass of their opponents, just like MLK did, when he sent families up against Bull Connor.

That's a step in the right direction for anyone that considers themselves Republican.

Protest warfare, in fact, demeans this sort of civil disobedience by doing the opposite, abusing your OWN kid emotionally to prove the Dems are not to be trusted.

Sounds like a case of Munchausen-by-Proxy syndrome.

For shame. Now back to the issues: why is BullGooseLoony suddenly so concerned about this guy's kid when thousands of kids are being killed in Iraq? I'm dead serious, let's not have it both ways. If most people agree with BGL, as seems to be the case, then for God's sake, stop being sidetracked by the Freepers and get back to the issues.

[spotbird]

144. It is instinctive to protect your children.

Any sane parent holding a child whose sign was grabbed away would conclude the attacker was a danger to the child and actively protect their offspring.

This guy just keeps he up there next to the nut job who has just acted aggressively.

[progressivebydesign]

101. The guy in the black t-shirt IS his son.

I noticed that before I even read the rest of the post. Same face, same hair color.. and he's laughing. This is a sick family. Please.. spread the TRUTH about this man, and his antics. The child should be removed from the home, because these people are brutalizing and exploiting this little girl. Sick people.

[Tom Rinaldo]

106. The foster care system isn't a bed of roses either...

I would say investigate the whole picture of her parenting, but reserve final judgement about taking her out of her home. I hate quickly jumping to far reaching and momentous conclusions. That's what Bush does lol.

[Walt Starr]

104. Based upon how this story went down, it was a setup from the word go

somebody pushed it to right wing blogs to get it going so fast.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

198. No doubt some of the idiots pimping this on DU the same night

are part of the same "intrepid independent RW bloggers" like "Buckhead", some of them perhaps still on this very thread.

They would no doubt love to get one of their "distract from Iraq" stories started up right here in DU. I'm sure it would warm the cockles of their twisted blackhearted souls.

"This should be vigorously pursued."

[SemiCharmedQuark]

105. This is so so sick.

Beyond words.

[Roland99]

107. I just sent an email to IUPAT with the contents of the OP (Including pics)

http://www.ibpat.org/news/WVa.html

[Shopaholic]

108. Anybody sent this to Keith Olbermann yet?

[doni_georgia]

137. I sent news article about 2000 event to Oberman early this morning. n/t

[Mr_Scarecrow]

130. I just called them

They are investigating and the woman on the phone said she was looking at DU right now!!!

[Shopaholic]

138. Aha--Proof that KO & the Countdown staff

check out DU!!!!:bounce:

[johnlal]

109. Only one thing to do about this.

If I were Parlock, Sr. and this really happened, I would take out a warrant for the thug's arrest. They have a lock on the case. What better evidence against the "thug" than his picture in the newspaper with the ripped sign in his hands.

Of course if the "thug" is his son, he wouldn't file a criminal complaint. What do YOU think he'll do? LOL.

[rumguy]

111. more evidence that * supporters are liars

they're just like their leaders - liars....

[Sparkly]

113. OT: What's "Dead to Rights" mean?

n/t

[Guaranteed]

119. LOL I actually don't know.

I've heard it all over the place, but I have no clue where it came from.

[ScreamingMeemie]

121. Isn't it a computer sleuthing game?

:hi:

[deckerd]

127. "dead to rights"

It's an adverbial phrase meaning "red-handed" or "incontravertibly",
"with damning evidence"

My question becomes why is this suddenly become a big scandal when a disruptor does it to his own child -- but NOT if a Democrat had done it? (According to the OP). Answer: it doesn't -- this guy is just another moron and his actions would have no impact on the electorate IF folks would accept and agree that harrassing dissenters at rallies is just not OK no matter who does it.

It will not be seen as characteristic of or damaging to either campaign UNLESS their followers condone it, which seems to already be the case with the Repubs (as is to be expected given their police-state mentality). This guy's simply trying to call us on our sh*t -- drag us down to their level. don't let him succeed by saying "if a Democrat did it, I don't care as much... if a disruptor did it, this is a BIG DEAL!" That makes no sense. If you feel that way, drop it and stop getting sidetracked from the issues. One of the issues being freedom of assembly, of course.

Don't disruptors have freedom of assembly? Answer: yes, but they should be called out as assholes when they emotionally abuse their own kids for political purposes. You can't make that claim, however, if you think it'd be OK for someone to emotionally abuse someone ELSE'S kid just because you're angry about their position on Iraq.

Don't stoop to this guy's level or you just fall into their little protest warrior game. They did this because they knew alot of Dems would react defensively and hostilely and with a slight touch of "what's worse? this or" hypocrisy. There's no need.

A simple "shame on whoever did this for whatever reason, they should go join the Republicans, assuming they're not one -- now back to the issues" would have sufficed.

[annapolis]

116. Add to the mix - Statement from Union

"What happened in Huntington, West Virginia yesterday is an affront to everything we, as a union, pride ourselves to represent. We extend our apologies to the Parlock family, especially Sophia, for the distress one of our overzealous members caused them."

http://www.ibpat.org/news/WVa.html

[Guaranteed]

120. They don't even know what happened. nt

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

199. Nice try.

[tjdee]

122. Background in pics HUGE clue that this is fake.

According to Parlock in his second interview with Glenn Beck, that picture was taken as they were "trying to leave and escape this guy".

Really? How long were they there? They tried to escape by...standing there near the gate?

The first picture shows few people, the second shows a lot of people with signs. Chronologically, I think the second pic was taken first.
And in BOTH PICS, the "perpetrator" is just hanging out.

As everyone has said, the facial expressions are all wrong--and now the background is all wrong too. Unless we're to believe that the crowd thinned out/appeared instantly.

[Guaranteed]

123. I noticed that, too...

The people are all different- that means time must have elapsed.

WTH?

[Behind the Aegis]

131. here is my take....

I just can't miss out on all the fun! Here is what I see. As another poster pointed out, the DAD is holding the sign pieces, not the daughter. If you look closely, you can see all her fingers in the picture, UNDER the pieces, not grasping them.

As for the "union worker" and the son, I think the son in the plaid red shirt (edit: this is the Jr. (21 yrs. of age), who dad said was there) is the "union" worker.

That family pic is of all 10 children. The plaid son is the right height and more importantly, he is supporting arm hair! The other two sons are not!

Secondly, look at the plaid son and notice the "sideburn"....now look at the 'union' guy...they have the same pattern!

Also, the side by side of the dad and the 'union' guy show a family resemblance.

Finally, the plaid shirt son, has the same build as the union guy.

Just my thoughts. (edited for easier comparison)

[doni_georgia]

132. That's son Peter in the blue shirt, Philip is in the red plaid shirt

Philip, jr. is in the plaid shirt with little sister on his shoulders. That is definitely who is wearing the union shirt in the picture. I posted a high school picture of Philip and Peter in another thread (the one started by Skinner).

[Guaranteed]

135. I think you're right.

I think you got it.

Good job....

How do we ID the real Phil Jr. with the AP photos?

And is that Phil Jr. in the choir photos? The one on our far left, in front?

[derrald]

134. ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE

The son of Phil Parlock who has ripped up the sign is wearing a MARSHALL U hat.

[Guaranteed]

136. It definitely looks that way.

Can you tell for sure, though?

[derrald]

139. absolutely positively

It is undoubtedly a Marshall U logo - no doubt in my mind - I have 5 friends who go and right now I'm asking if they can get a positive ID

[Guaranteed]

140. Right fricking ON....maybe they can

even recognize the guy!

[troubleinwinter]

146. Some odd things about photos.

In the top photo:

First, I notice that 'Dad' is not looking at the "perpetrator". Seems to me, if some stranger accosted your 3-year old, you would be looking right at him in order to watch out for further danger to your child.

Second, the son (small blonde boy) has a fist, perhaps an automatic reaction to an abusive Dad pinching the girl to make her cry?

Lower photo:

Dad is STILL not looking at the supposed "perp". Nor is he moving away. (Natural reaction would be to keep an eye on someone who had supposedly done such a thing and was still very near)

The small boy doesn't even pay any attention. You'd think that if a stranger had just caused a scene with your dad & tiny sister, (there would have been 'words), he'd look concerned?!

It just looks 'off' to me. ie. set up.

I think it stinks.

x(

[Mr_Spock]

149. I totally agree with you - and add - I personally would have kicked the

guys ass if he accosted my daughter. No "ifs" "ands" or "buts" about it. And you can bet I would be staring that fucker down if he had made ANY move toward my defenseless daughter who I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR HER SAFETY. This guy is an ass and a coward at minimum.

[Chiyo-chichi]

150. you're right

No eye contact.
The supposed "perp" is smiling.
The daughter is not really holding the sign, Parlock is trying to make it look as if she is.
The "perp" -- who we are supposed to believe is NOT Parlock's son who is a student at Marshall University -- is wearing a Marshall hat.

[MsTryska]

151. His whole posture

seems remarkable relaxed no?


if it were me, that kid would be off my shoulders and cradled in my arms, as soon as someone got maliciously in her personals pace....

but he's not grabbing her, he doesn't look tense at all, hands are relaxed, shoulders are relaxed.....bollox.

[Glenster]

168. Evidence is overwhelming

The evidence that this is a total set-up is already overwhelming and mounting.

People have raised A LOT of very good questions that cast serious doubt on the veracity of this guys tale of assault.

One question I have is Why does he continue to hold the part of the ripped sign? Does he REALLY care more about littering than he does about tending to his clearly upset daughter? The whole situation looks like total posing for a camera that he is aware is there. In each of the pictures Mr. Parlock is appears to be intentionally avoiding eye contact with both the alleged perpetrator AND the photographer, or anyone else for that matter. And yet, he continues to hold that ripped sign prop and his crying daughter for his "those horrible democrats" photo-op.

And how very convenient for this photographer to be there at the right time, in the perfect place, to get very good snapshots of this serial assaultee.

[Skinner]

155. Interesting.

I think you make a good point. If some thug were accosting my 3-year-old daughter, I think it'd probably get the hell out of there, rather than hang out for a couple minutes to pose for pictures.

[myrna minx]

156. You are correct!

I didn't even notice that she isn't holding the sign. Why is the "father" sulking rather than defending his daughter from some "violent" offender? Great catch!!

[Scorpious_Maximus]

153. Nominated for Homepage - Well Done DU!

:kick:

[Chiyo-chichi]

158. Marshall student paper

http://www.marshallparthenon.com/

You guys have done a great job. Somebody should follow up with the Marshall student newspaper -- get them on this story -- they can EASILY determine whether the "union guy" is Parlock's son.

[myrna minx]

159. Welcome to DU, soonerhoosier.

:hi: The researchers at DU are amazing!

[Chiyo-chichi]

160. anxious to see the Saturday article

in the Herald-Dispatch. Thanks for the welcome. What a great forum! Great to be here.

[shrub chipper]

162. Are you a sooner...

or a hoosier?


Hoosier, here!

Welcome, I haven't been here too long myself!

[Chiyo-chichi]

164. former sooner, now a hoosier

I grew up in the most heavily Democratic county in what was a very Democratic Oklahoma. The "Reagan Revolution" changed all that, and around that time I moved to Indiana.

[Libby2]

163. Some of the people in the background

are the same in both shots.

I also think plaid son = union worker.

[crickets]

166. Great job, everyone

What tweaked me from the beginning about this story wasn't that a dad takes his little daughter to a political rally. That's cool. That's getting your kids involved in the world around them (beyond Disneyland) at an early age, and can be very healthy and fun.

What got me was that he took his daughter to a rally for the opponent. That makes no sense. If you want your kids to be involved politically, or just to expose them to what goes on during an election, whatever, wouldn't you take them to see and hear someone you support? When you support a specific party or candidate and there's no chance you're going to change your mind, showing up at a rally for the "other guy" is confrontational by definition.

Teaching this type of manipulative and dishonest thuggery, by example and involvement, to his kids? Sick. And the story about the gunshot just makes my blood run cold. What are the odds that Parlock would be there, yet again? What are the odds? Truly sick.

And I agree with the sentiments of the poster in another thread who linked to a picture of an Iraqi child who was injured by a car bomb. There are too many genuinely miserable children in the world to go pulling a "weep for the children!" stunt like this.

One more time - sick.

[gauguin57]

167. Says he's a '79 Penn State grad ... I'll have a yearbook from that year

in my hands on Sunday ... I'm gonna check this dude out. I'll report back.

Another 1979 Penn State grad was "Rick Rockwell," the "star" of "Who Wants to Marry a Multi-Millionaire?" Also a complete phony!!!

And you know who would have been on the Penn State campus at the same time as those two jokers? RICK SANTORUM!

[grasswire]

171. where is the MOTHER?

I haven't heard squat about the mother!

[Democat]

172. Will Repubs call for a congressional investigation of Associated Press?

Where did these fake pictures come from and who will pay for this? :)

[phish420]

173. Wow...great job!!...n/t

[hayu_lol]

179. Anyone else notice...

that the alleged perp is wearing his hat backwards...when all the union members in all the pics are wearing their caps bill forwards?

Might not mean anything...but on the other hand....

[MisterGamut]

178. Scientific evidence

There is a scientific identification technique known as face mapping.

http://www.eurecom.fr/~perronni/papers/icip03.pdf

Here is my amateur attempt at it.

Here we have one of Parlock's sons:



Here we have the union guy:



I overlayed the son on the union guy so that the eyes lined up and the chin lined up. Then I did some erasing to show the outline of the union guy's face on the right, and the edge of the son's shoulder and face on the left:



Note that the shoulders line up perfectly. So does the sideburn. Also the cheekbone, mouthline and nose position are a perfect match. Here is an overlay with the kid at 50% opacity:



The eyes and eyebrow are a perfect match. Look at the kid's right ear and the union guy's left ear. Same general shape.

I also tried this experiment with the kid in the grey. Close but no cigar. The forehead is too big and the mouth is too low.

I think we have our culprit.

[LisaL]

189. Look at the other guy

in black t-shirt, who appears behind the father in the second picture.
The perp in the union t-shirt appears to be talking to that guy in the second picture. Daisy have claimed Parlock was going to have 2 people in there to frame the union. Well, there is another guy behind the father who can not be seen in the first picture buy shows up on our left in the second, and the perp in the union t-shirt appears to be talking to him. The perp doesn't look at the father, but looks behind the father at the second guy in the black t-shirt who is jesturing with his hand.

[yardwork]

201. This is great!

The features do match well.

Also, note that both photos show a man with a prominent chin with a dimple. That's a fairly unusual facial characteristic.

It would be good to prove that the "union thug" is his son, because Parlock has been quoted as saying it is not his son. Be nice to catch him in a deliberate lie. Parlock is endangering his minor children. The community needs to take a close look at this guy.

[NV1962]

180. Doesn't the lighting on that "sign shred" look suspicious?

To me it looks like the whole thing is photoshopped.

Take a close look at the shred of a sign that the girl appears to hold - on both photos the lighting is off, and the angle doesn't look quite right either. Also, it looks as if that Parlock guy is reaching up to grab that sign (look at the position of his hand) while in real life a father would at least grab the kid's arm.

Here are the pictures again:





In both images there is a strange "artifact effect" that can't be explained as a shadow.

I say they're FAKE !!!

[NV1962]

181. More details and comments

As posted:

The more I look at those two images, the more they reek of manipulation.

Here are details of those two, with four numbered points in both:





The numbered points in the pictures are commented below.

1. Look at what Phil Parlock is holding / grabbing. Instead of holding his daughter’s hand, he clearly seems to be holding on to the “shredded sign.” Aside from the logic (or rather, lack thereof) of that gesture, it just doesn’t seem to look right. It’s as if those “shreds” were pasted in later.
   
2. Look at the odd lighting and shadows; there’s no correlation between the (sharp) shadow of the sign and the soft shadow elsewhere (see 4) and, at any rate, it clearly appears the girl is either holding something else, or not holding anything at all. I.e., that “shred” really looks as if it’s pasted in.
   
3. Particularly looking at the shadow of the lower edge of the “shred” the impression of inconsistency with the soft shadows (4) is strong.
   
4. These are two points that show a much softer shadow, that can’t really be explained by a difference in distance between the object (the arm in photo 1 and the sign in photo 2) and the “shred.”

Add that to the inherent inconsistency of the “father” not making eye contact with the presumed “perp” (with the cap, to his left) and that the father clearly remains in his position after the first photo was taken — since the photographer shifted his position, it’s reasonable to assume that at least two seconds transpired between them — while the “father” inexplicably neither backs away to bring his crying girl in safety, nor brings up his other hand to hold her tight, nor otherwise indicates in his gesture that he’s aware of the “perp” right next to him, who presumably just had reached up to rip that sign (without him noticing it!)

To me these pics look like cheap fakes. Fitting with a cheap attempt at framing Democrats in general, more specifically Kerry supporters,and most narrowly members of IUPAT (the painters union, of which the initials can be seen on the shirt worn by the “perp.”) This, added to the interesting circumstance that there’s a report (see my previous post) casting the accusation that precisely IUPAT was an intended “target” of Phil Parlock.

Fishy, fishy, fishy.

[Chiyo-chichi]

186. I don't know

if the photos are altered. You make some good points. At the very least, as has already been pointed out, Parlock is holding the sign fragment above his head to make it look like his daughter is holding it when she is not.

[JerseygirlCT]

185. You know what else feels weird to me?

If my child were that upset, would I still be holding her on my shoulders -- making sure that my sign was still displayed?

She'd be in my arms, and we'd be out of there, sign or no sign...

[LisaL]

191. I don't think so.

The pictures are not fake.

[mimitabby]

194. what dad is really doing

he reached up to pinch the daughter to make her cry.
why do you think she's looking at him instead
of the 'union thug' ???

[Chiyo-chichi]

187. Today's article in Huntington Herald-Dispatch

http://www.hdonline.com/2004/September/18/LNtop1.htm

.... is lame. I wrote this to the reporter:

"Mr. Ross:

How about a little investigative journalism? How difficult would it be to acquire and publish a photo of Mr. Parlock’s son – and a photo of the “union thug?” The Marshall student newspaper is going to embarrass the Herald-Dispatch by doing the real work on this story if you don’t. This is a national controversy. You have published Mr. Parlock’s denial. It is easily provable whether the “union thug” and Parlock are one and the same or not. You need to follow up."


Everyone should demand that they follow up in this manner & somebody should contact the Marshall student paper. They might be able to pull a yearbook photo of Phil Jr. -- or some eager student investigative reporter might tail him on campus & get a photo.

[Sven77]

188. two sons at Marshall University

the union guy had a Marshall hat, notice where Parlock's sons goto school. (info from fark.com)

from
http://www.herald-dispatch.com/2004/April/05/LNtop1.htm

Phil Parlock

Age: 47

District: 3

Family: married; 10 children -- two at Marshall University, seven in Cabell County Schools and a 3-year-old at home.

Resides: 6900 Left Fork Merritts Creek, Huntington

Education: Attended high school in Pennsylvania; received a bachelor’s degree in science from Penn State in 1979.

Political experience: Fourth attempt at Board of Education.

Professional background: real estate salesman; worked in real estate appraisal, state and federal government.

Community service: Volunteer for Boy Scouts, NAACP, Junior Achievement, Huntington City Mission.

[Chiyo-chichi]

192. right -- Phil Jr. (aka "the union thug"), Peter and daughter Pam

attend Marshall. Precisely why the Marshall student newspaper should get on this story and give the world a photo of Phil Jr. If Phil Sr. is telling the truth he should WANT to trot out Phil Jr. and show us that he looks nothing like the "union thug."

[Flammable Materials]

193. IS THERE A PLACE THAT LICENSES THESE PHOTOS?

Can someone order a high-definition scan of the original photos?

[Chiyo-chichi]

202. ugh!

I don't have the link, but supposedly George Bush sent little Spohia a letter, a new sign, & a signed photo of himself & Barney. Makes the whole thing smell all the more... I'll bet it was planned specifically to counter John Kerry giving a job to the woman who was fired for having a Kerry sticker on her car.