AR15 Toting Christopher Broughton's Pastor Steven Anderson Prays for President Barack Obama's Death

[Divine Discontent]

(whole story here --->) http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bastard/2009/08/tempe_pastor_steven_anderson_p.php

Remember the crazy Tempe pastor who was Tasered by the U.S. Border Patrol back in April: Steven Anderson of the Faithful Word Baptist Church? The same fella that Christopher Broughton, the anti-Obama, anarchist AR-15-carrying activist, declared to be his pastor on conspira-nut moonhowler Alex Jones' radio show?

Well, as has been reported on Crooks and Liars and MSNBC, the day before Broughton brought his loaded assault rifle to a demonstration outside where the President was speaking in downtown Phoenix, Pastor Anderson was preaching hate for President Obama, and praying for the Chief Executive's death.

And when I say, "preaching hate," I don't mean that as a figure of speech.

"God hates Barack Obama," the preacher told his congregation. "I hate Barack Obama."

In a rambling, hour-plus sermon that knocks "sodomites," disses Pentecostal Christians, and offers up a birther fantasy of Obama playing baseball in Kenya as a child with a stick and a mango, Anderson talked about how Obama would be in town the next day, and that some of his parishioners might be attending, although he couldn't personally make it due to previous plans.

For Anderson, Obama cannot be "saved," and because Obama backs access to abortion for women, he deserves to die.


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I had not heard this til Turborama posted a video. This is what many of us were saying about that lunatic Anderson - he will incite one of his 'flock' to go out and assault the president! I am beside myself with anger that Anderson's not been charged with threatening the president.

Turborama's video post of a Crooks & Liars video - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x360252
my video post from a few days ago condensing his worst words against Obama - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hcLMfBflww

[bigjohn16]

1. They'll keep bringing their guns to the Presidents events.

The media will cover them and we'll get news stories about the "crazy people" with the guns at rallies marching for their "Second Amendment rights". They'll get tired of covering them after awhile and they'll be forgotten. The cops will see that there are 15 people at a rally with guns and they'll do their best to keep an eye on them but they know it's just a few "crazy people" making a political statement. While they're doing this number 16 will walk up to the President as he's greeting the crowd after an event and it'll happen with the handgun that was in his waist.

This is a dangerous road we're walking down and I don't know for sure what's ahead. I do know that for 8 years during the most hated Presidency this country has ever known I can't remember one story about multiple people with AR-15's and handguns at a Presidential event. This is something new and I don't think it's going to end well for this country. I hope I'm wrong.

[WCGreen]

5. I don't think there was a protester within a two miloe radius of

anywhere Bush went...

[Euromutt]

8. You're wrong

It doesn't matter how many or how few people open carry at protests on the periphery of presidential events, the Secret Service will not allow them into a position where they can get a clear shot at the president. Besides, if what you're concerned about is somebody with a concealed firearm walking up to Obama and managing to get a shot off, why should that person even be associated with the open carrying types at these protests? After all, John Hinckley reportedly didn't try to shoot Reagan out of any political motive, but because he was trying to impress Jody Foster.

And don't think the Secret Service didn't learn from that particular incident. Hell, all the evidence you need is that Bill Clinton made it through two terms without being shot. You think he was less hated than Obama is now? Shit, some Republicans were still trying to blame the housing crisis on him last year.

[bigjohn16]

11. Yeah the open carry nuts and the nuts with a concealed weapon are two completely different groups.

The Secret Service only has to miss one person. The plans of the Secret Service are all for naught the second the President decides to walk the crowd. I don't care as much about the laws that allow open carry as much as I do with what it means for this country when the health care debate is enough to get people to start carrying weapons to Presidential events.

I was a little young during the Clinton years but if I had to guess then yes I do think a white southerner was less hated then the first black President who they think is a "Nazi Kenyan Socialist".

[bluestateguy]

2. Not sure why he hates Pentecostals

Sarah Palin is a Pent. Aren't they mostly evangelical?

[depakid]

3. Not sure you can make sense of a delusional person

For example, do things Michelle Bachmann believes make sense?

They're both mentally ill- literally.

http://my.clevelandclinic.org/disorders/delusional_disorder/hic_delusional_disorder.aspx

[Douglas Carpenter]

4. his particular line of extreme Baptist theology would regard Pentecostals as part of the occult

-given that most Pentecostals do still practice speaking in tongues and faith healing which might vaguely fit into the category of paranormal phenomena.

A generation ago that would have been the position held by most fundamentalist Baptist - before Pentecostals found their way into the mainstream of Evangelical suburban culture.

BTW: Al Sharpton is also a Pentecostal.

I'm sure Anderson would regard most Evangelicals including most Baptist as utterly godless. I'm certain that like Fred Phelps, Anderson would consider the late Jerry Falwell and others of his ilk as apostates and raving liberals.

Pastor Steven L. Anderson



Doctrinal Statement

http://www.faithfulwordbaptist.org/page6.html

We believe that the King James Bible is the word of God without error.

We believe all Scripture was given by inspiration of God, and that God also promised to preserve his word. Divine inspiration is of no value to Christians without God's promise of preservation.

We believe that salvation is by grace through faith. Being born again by believing on the Lord Jesus Christ is the only requirement for salvation.

We believe in the eternal security of the believer (once saved, always saved).

We believe that the unsaved will spend eternity in torment in a literal hell.

We believe that Jesus is God, and that Jesus Christ was begotten by the Holy Ghost of the virgin Mary.

We believe only in the local church and not in a universal church.

We reject the teaching of Calvinism and believe that God wants everyone to be saved.

We are Non-dispensational.

We believe that life begins at conception (fertilization) and reject all forms of abortion including surgical abortion, "morning-after" pills, IVF (In Vitro Fertilization), birth control pills, and all other processes that end life after conception.

We believe that homosexuality is a sin and an abomination which God punishes with the death penalty.

We oppose worldliness, modernism, formalism, and liberalism.

[Ikonoklast]

6. We'll read more about this guy one day.

His life will fly apart one day.

The ones that are the most tightly wound up in hate always do.

[Euromutt]

10. "We reject the teaching of Calvinism"?

Fucking heretic! If he shows his ass in New England, they'll know what to do with him.

Okay, I kid. I'm actually an atheist, but my cultural heritage (I immigrated from the Netherlands) is very much Calvinist. The common joke is that, in the Netherlands, even the Catholics have a Calvinist outlook.

And hell, the notion that man is born into depravity makes as much sense as this guy's theology. "We <...> believe that God wants everyone to be saved," but at the same time, "the unsaved will spend eternity in torment in a literal hell." Curiously, "we believe in the eternal security of the believer (once saved, always saved)," so once you're "born again," you remain saved no matter how much you sin subsequently. So once you've talked the talk, you don't need to walk the walk, but as we know, walking the walk is more important than talking the talk. Ergo, if walking the walk doesn't matter, then talking the talk really doesn't matter.

So if God really wants us all to be saved, why doesn't He declare us all saved at birth, and we can do whatever the fuck we want (be worldly and liberal and have abortions) and still go to Heaven?

[formercia]

12. And King James was the final word on the 'Bible.'

That's a hoot.

[kenfrequed]

13. Err... Calvinism is a seperate matter.

These bastards are crazy without their critique of Calvinism.


Calvinism has its own ideosyncracies doctrinally speaking that make it interesting and terrible. Predestination of the soul, while logically consistant in the context of an all knowing, all present, all powerful Diety, actually makes for a rather knowingly unjust or capricious diety.

Additionally the idea of material success being a sign of god's grace, while being rather popular amongst the wealthy and merchant class, sort of puts the poor out. No justice this life or the next, so sorry. Even worse than that it philosphically helped strut up the idea that the reason that people are poor or in bad situations is purely because of a moral flaw.

And to make matters even worse It seems the Christian Reconstructionist movement takes certain ideas of Calvinism to a rather frightening 'next step.'

[damonm]

21. You are making a fundamental error...

You're attempting to apply logic to the worldview of the insane.

[nemo137]

19. Oh, God, a KJO!

I have dealt with my share of religious weirdness in my life, but King James Only people are completely nuts. Even my dad, in his weirdest fundie phase, kept multiple translations of the Bible around and owned the giant Strong's Concordance. These people are out there.

[WinkyDink]

7. It must be easy to become a "pastor" these days. Probably skip all that NT "Christian values" stuff.

[Euromutt]

9. That's the joy of Protestantism

It's not just "these days"; it's been that way since the Second Great Awakening at the very latest. No formal qualifications needed, just the gift of the gab and some rubes willing to listen to you, and hey presto, you're a religious leader!

And being selective with regards to which Biblical imperatives to follow goes back as far as the Council of Nicaeae, if not further.

[derby378]

14. As a Quaker, I have to ask if you're painting with too broad a brush

Quakers arose from that same Protestant tradition - some would say we've taken the concept of solus Christus to its furthest logical conclusion. It's just that most of us actually try to live the virtues that Christ taught instead of just paying them lip service like this KJV-worshipping Anderson heretic does.

Do I sound a little contrary today?

[Douglas Carpenter]

16. Unitarians also rose out of the Protestant - in fact Puritan-Calvinist tradition

Although, early Unitarians like John Adams still had a lot of Puritanism in their consciousness in spite of theology that was a long ways away from early Puritans. John Adams, as historians all mention rose early every morning of his life since he was a teenager to read the Bible and pray - and to also read and meditate on the works of the Greek and Latin classics.

As time went on Unitarians developed into probably the most liberal version of Protestant Christianity to the point that many Unitarians are themselves uncertain whether or not they consider themselves even Christians.

Protestant is a very broad term which seems to include almost every movement that at some point in their history were part of another movement that at an early stage broke away from Roman Catholicism. Pentecostals, Quakers, Unitarians and Baptist all at some point developed from the Protestant tradition.

[Euromutt]

23. To respond to both your points...

I don't think I'm painting with too broad a brush in that--as Douglas points out--"Protestant" is a very broad term. It's not that I'm trying to suggest that every Protestant sect is this way; rather, it's that every sect that is this way is Protestant, or rooted in a Protestant culture.

[Sheltiemama]

22. Quakers are cool.

[theothersnippywshrub]

15. How very republican. The party of Lincoln has become the party of John Wilkes Booth.

However, I was tickled to learn about the stick and mango allegation.

[Barack_America]

17. Interesting observation. nt

[Turborama]

18. K&R Thanks for helping bring this to people's attention

Is there somewhere we can send a demand for an investigation into why this dangerous lunatic hasn't been arrested yet?

[OneBlueSky]

20. and he calls himself a Christian, and claims this is what God wants . . .

the vengeful God, as he puts it . . . the guy's delusional, and has absolutely no understanding of what Jesus stood for or taught . . . he's just using the pulpit to spew racism and bigotry and his myopic view of the universe . . . unfortunately, there are people who listen to him -- and one of these days one of them is going to take him literally and try something crazy . . .

how the Secret Service can allow loaded weapons within a mile of a presidential appearance is beyond me . . . hell, when Bush was president, if you weren't a confirmed supporter you were relegated to "free speech zones" well away from where he president was speaking . . . yet now that Obama's president, it's okay for non-supporters carrying guns to be in the vicinity? . . . something stinks here, and Congress should do something about it . . .

[The Magistrate]

24. The Comments Section There, Sir, has Some Real Gems....

This was far and away the best....

Captain Moroni says:
This is very sad. Gos wants all his chulren to repent and become born again... even Mr. Obama. FYI, I sent Mr. Obama the following email several weeks ago. Apparaently, it has made little to no difference but I tried.

I have written you twice during the last two weeks asking you to voluntarily step down as POTUS to avoid being forced to do so and causing race riots especially throughout the big cities of the USA. I warned, in these two messages, that the political noose was quickly being tightened around your neck.
This week, with the help of a number of friends in the international intelligence/special forces community, we now have an authentic copy of your Kenyan birth certificate. Within the next to two weeks, we will have an authentic copy of your original, long form, vault birth certificate housed in Hawaii.
Court technical games, buyoffs of Hawaii officials, and your “protectors” in the MSM can’t protect you against the special operations that have been created to obtain that birth certificate. There are too many men and women who are committed to protecting the liberties in the Constitution.
Once both these documents have been tested by a team of internationally recognized document forensic scientists, they will prove that they are the “real thing,” and the noose will be complete. Please voluntarily step down as POTUS

The other night while conducting my nightly prayers with “hatred” in my heart towards you, I suddenly had a total change of heart towards you. “Hatred” turned to sorrow for your eternal welfare. God choose me for His reasons which I don’t know to be an instrument in His hands to deliver you a message as you face the crossroads of your political and personal life during August. Below is that message:

“He has seen your stress and tremendous mental anguish. He has searched your heart and sees some remaining good that can be used for His cause.
The warning to you is that you’re presently following the dark path, surrounded with people who seek to use you for their own evil purposes. The prince of darkness is behind all these acts. To continue along this path will result in an inability to be forgiven by God both in this life and the eternities to come. Your legacy in history will become known as the “black Benedict Arnold.”
Now in contrast, if you place your total trust in God and turn from the dark side, while fully exposing and criminally prosecuting those who seek the destruction of the US Constitutional Republic and the creation of a Global Government, I’m authorized to promise you the following:
1. That God will physically protect you and your wife and lovely children from any harm from all elements of the dark side
2. That He will literally lead you by the hand each and everyday. He will provide you will the path you should lead as POTUS.
3. That your legacy will be as the “black George Washington,” being loved and respected by peoples of all races and creeds, not only in the USA but throughout the world. That you will go down in history as a man even greater that Abraham Lincoln

I realize that you don’t know me: that I could simply be a crazy religious fanatic. But… IF you will seek to talk with an open mind and heart to God out loud in very private place away from all distractions and people, He will certify to you that the message I bring is from Him. He will in His infinite mercy forgive you of everything you have done in the past. He will wipe the “slate clean.” You will literally become an instrument in His hands.

May you take my message very seriously,

Dr. Douglas W. Schell aka Captain Moroni
Retired Professor of Business
Posted On: Thursday, Aug. 27 2009 @ 8:28AM

[trueblue2007]

25. Why isn't the SS rounding these people up and putting them in Jail

If this happened when Bush was p(R)esident, they would have been jailed.

[The Magistrate]

26. They Should Be Doing That, Sir