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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:15 PM
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David Shuster just showed film of the Rosa Parks incident and it is APPALLING
Edited on Wed Aug-12-09 03:13 PM by senseandsensibility
Shuster on MSNBC showed the black woman we saw yesterday being thrown out of the town hall. But we never saw what really happened until now. The black woman held up a poster of Rosa Parks and a white woman took it from her and tore it up to the cheers of her fellow thugs.

So far, what you would expect from these neanderthals, right? But no, the shocking part was who was ejected from the event. The black woman was, in case you haven't been keeping up with this story.

So the white woman destroys someone else's property, tramples on her free speech rights, and displays her bigotry. She gets to go back to grunting with her fellow thugs. The black woman, WHO DID NOTHING WRONG, is ejected.

I am livid.

Edited to add that I believe Shuster referred to the white individual as female, and Huffington Post as a male. Don't know at this point which is correct. Also, the white individual was arrested, according to other reports I have seen since Shuster aired this. Please continue to add info as it becomes available. I will say that even if the white person was arrested, the situation was still appalling. It was not presented truthfully by the media yesterday, and they surely knew what was going on. But it seems to me that there is a co-ordinated effort to downplay the racial motivations of these disruptors.
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RepublicanElephant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:16 PM
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1. gop base showing out. nt
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 09:28 AM
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98. Can we call them BROWNSHIRTS now?!!!
If not, when?
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:17 PM
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2. Welcome to post-racial America.
It may look racist to you, but we have an African-American President, so it isn't.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:19 PM
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3. Apparently Missouri cops DON'T have manners
And apparenly they just see black or white and always assume the black person is at fault. Now we have video proof.
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Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 10:16 AM
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104. I am a black man...

and on numerous occasions, while living in St Charles County, in Misery, (I mean missouri), I've been confronted or
accousted, sometimes by a couple of guys of neutral color, really holding my own, and as soon as the cops arrived,
even though witnesses were saying I was doing nothing but defending myself and that I had done nothing wrong, guess
who the cops grabs and devout their attention to.

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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:19 PM
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4. Disproportionate police response regarding the actual victim of the aggression.
White aggressor gets one officer escorting him away. Nice.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:20 PM
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Ooh-oh say can you see....
:rofl:
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Happyhippychick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:20 PM
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5. I saw it and I'm livid too.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:21 PM
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6. Looking for a video link
Edited on Wed Aug-12-09 02:21 PM by Bozita



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BecomingBrainy Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:56 PM
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46. Here is a link
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 03:06 PM
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56. Thank you, BecomingBrainy!
Welcome to DU! :hi:

I'm going to take time to load this one, even on my dialup.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 03:15 PM
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63. Thank you. My blood's really boiling now!



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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 03:24 PM
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69. Thank you
Pretty obvious what happened, but yesterday all I saw was the woman being escorted out of the meeting.

Welcome to DU!!!



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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:23 PM
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7. This only confirms what most of us have suspected
Many of the town hall agitators are racist bigots that can't even handle a poster of Rosa Parks.

They aren't there to seriously protest policy differences. They are there to oppose a black president.
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Lilyeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:38 PM
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21. Exactly.
Edited on Wed Aug-12-09 02:40 PM by Lilyeye
I am not saying all the protesters are, but I think a good freakin majority are protesting for racist reasons. I tried to give them the benefit of the doubt, but I don't believe its just a minority of them like many people want to suggest. This incident sheds light on that. But I am expecting the apologist to say differently.

Edit:Spelling.
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Diamonique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 06:44 PM
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87. It also confirms that the MSM is in the tank for the Rethugs.
They chose what to air in that clip. They could have shown the whole thing, both people being hauled out of the room, or nothing at all. And what did they choose to air?
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 07:14 PM
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88. Exactly. And it's alright to have swastikas and Hitler signs but not a Rosa Parks sign. *sigh*
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JayMusgrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 12:28 PM
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111. BINGO!!!!!!!!!! n/t
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:24 PM
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8. That was very, very wrong. No wonder the black woman was screaming
when they led her out.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:27 PM
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9. The white folks cheering as she was being taken out were even more disturbing.
They sounded like jackals.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:29 PM
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14. Agreed. I think I spent most of yesterday on the verge of tears
because I just couldn't believe the number of hateful, stupid and self-centered people in this country. It's very sad and discouraging.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:35 PM
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Welcome to the world of being Black. I'm Black and female---I can't ignore it...
and I'm never surprised by the number. My tears dried long ago to be replaced by either incensed anger, hate, or just utter disappointment.
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NatBurner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:40 PM
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25. ^^word
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 09:11 PM
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89. Yup...not much more to add.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 10:25 PM
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92. I can't say I know how you feel
I am white and male. So I would not presume to comprehend.

But remember this: while Blacks in America, with centuries of slavery followed by another of Jim Crow and then decades of not-so-thinly veiled racism have plenty to resent, you should never, never take it personally. Human beings since before recorded history have been racists, ethnocentrists. Look at Kosovo, Serbs vs Croats, Sunni vs Shia, VN vs Cambodia, Cambodia vs Cambodia, all the many wars in Africa ... Look at the treatment of Native Americans by Europeans. Japanese are hated by Chinese. Look at what Germans did to the Jews and Gypsys. Athens vs Troy. People are tribal creatures who huddle together and defend their cave against the "other."

Civilization is a very, very thin veneer wherein we pretend that is not so. The uncivilized whites you encounter are nothing more than an ape in the zoo flinging feces at people.



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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 10:02 AM
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101. i'm sure the black woman didn't take it personally
Edited on Thu Aug-13-09 10:03 AM by noiretextatique
when she was attacked and escorted out, while others cheered.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 10:21 AM
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105. Don't feed me trash!!! I'm have a BA in Anthropology.
This is not an attack on you as a person, so as you said to me, don't take it personally. However, refrain from feeding me bullshit in the defense of racism. You'll just make me angrier.

People are not tribal or in the way you put it, they are communal by nature. And you're using monkey as the zoo as an example...are you mad. It's debatable if primates are "tribal" as you put it, you can't take a normally "free" animal that is then caged, in some cases abused, and put on display as dancing marionettes as an example of human nature. That's already off putting in your post. It's been well documented that early civilizations were extremely communal. The disputes that you mention are mainly through the inception of outsiders who came in killing. Even early African civilizations were well established clustered groups that traded with each other. It wasn't until the European (Greek/Roman) push into Africa that we see a change social relationships.

Racism is a social construction, this is also well documented and established. Also, don't tell me not to take things personally. As you said you can't even know what I have experienced just on a daily basis to have an inkling. I have dealt with racism personally and against my group and other minority groups---since really it's all the same in most cases. I can even say on this board I've faced racism---Prop 8 comes up once again. So to say to me not to take it personally---you'll be hard pressed to find any Black person who doesn't feel something. The hate that is displayed in America towards "minority" races has not left the country. You may not be aware of it, and choose to see it as "natural" but it is far from the case.

The New World establishment of race relations is highly socially different from anywhere in the rest of the world; not as it is today---that's managed to spread; but in early in it's settlement. You can read that anywhere. To get back to the early Europeans, Asians and Africans, with the Europeans is cultural. Asians and Africans, theirs was created mainly with the inception of European imperialism. It has been well noted that in early Africa tolerance was established. Any other issues, these groups have faced in their history such as Persian rule, Ottoman Empire, the rise of Mongolia, and various others is not based on racism. Why? Because there was massive integration---in the US not so much.

Even the with the Rise of Islam, they weren't racist against other groups, sure other groups were initially persecuted due to resistance. But it wasn't an intentional motive to destroy the people and use them as free labor. The motive was basically to spread of Islam. You are aware that the caste system as is currently in India and seems to be a stigma within India is not natural, ie read the article "Caste of Minds" by Dirks. Europeans and this is during the AD period were looking to be enterprising and they used any sort of social hierarchy system to get their way. As such the seeds for the social construction was developed.

My professor, Professor Arthur Spears wrote the book, Race and Ideology: Language, Symbolism and Popular Culture (African American Life Series). In that book he says, "America is not America without racism." It is part of the culture and mindset in various forms that has now been institutionalized---where we have redzoning, racial profiling,a and where the cops escorted the white man but descended in droves upon the Black woman. The New World in a way redefined social relations and promoted racism---and used historical references of cultural differences as defending racism and making it seem natural. I believe it was even Aquinas (although I could be wrong) who stated that some people were meant to be slaves and this was defended by even Locke, and justified his participation in the New World slave trade.

And further more, within the US racism was established in order to get free labor. They can't have full citizenship to all these people when they need a workforce. What The Powers That Be decided which was mainly due to the fact most of the forefathers were indentured servant owners did, was basically establish a workforce by dividing the races. They established into law who were allowed and those who were not. Is that natural? No, hell no.

I'll directly address a few of the issues you mentioned. When you mention Japan and China---what time period are you talking about? Because if you're talking about the early-mid 20th Century the Chinese have reason---ditto for the Koreans and most of East Asia. Their hate of Japan is due to what the Japanese did to the people when they came into the country to conquer. Have you seen the Japanese war flag and read the millions they massacred? If they hate the Japanese it's purely to do with history. Most of the people have moved beyond it. However, I must say that Korean/Japanese animosity is on the mend except for the older generation, which is natural. Although the Japanese don't help much with their perpetual racism of Koreans within their nation. As for the rest---majority is social construction by a higher group to promote hate in order to gain economically or socially. Turn the people against each other---it's the whole concept of divide and conquer.

None of these show "natural" aspect of racism----and hence the reason I find your "defense" or mabye "understanding" insulting to say the least.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 08:40 PM
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120. I in no way meant to defend racism
I apologize for giving that impression. My point, in brief, was that the vast majority of people are self-centered, selfish shits who will happily pick on anyone who is handy. That is not a defense of them. I happen to have a very low opinion of some 90-95% of the six billion people trying to crowd each other off this planet.

I did not by any means intend to condescend. I happen to have had quite a bit of experience with young people victimized by bullies - sometimes racist, sometimes not. The "don't take it personally" was a poor paraphrase of advice that the fault lies with the bully, not the bullied, a pep talk sometimes needed with youngsters.

Hey, I'm an old fart and treat everyone like youngsters now.

Please accept my apology - I actually meant well.

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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 12:23 PM
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110. You probably didn't intend it, but my God the condescension in your post is annoying.
(Another black woman here - checking in).
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:27 PM
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10. I hope KO and Rachel do the same tonight. Expose these thugs for what they are: racists!


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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:28 PM
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11. That hateful old bitch who ripped that sign is the one who should
have been removed. What a fucking disgrace. And equally disgraceful is the media for showing this video over and over yesterday with absolutely no context, leading viewers to believe the woman who was removed was a troublemaker.

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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:29 PM
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15. Bingo
Let's give Shuster credit for doing so today. We need to make sure others pick it up.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:44 PM
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33. It's time to make that woman
famous. I mean run that clip in a loop on every news show there is. SHAME HER.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 03:57 PM
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78. I could not agree more. What a hateful, nasty old witch,
Yet the poor woman with the Rosa Parks sign was did absolutely NOTHING wrong has been villified by our disgraceful and utterly shameless media. It's great that they're now showing the full clip, AFTER they villified a perfectly innocent woman because of their incompentence and appetite for tabloid journalism.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 03:55 PM
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77. I just saw the full clip for the first time, just now. All I've seen were the edited versions
showing the angry black woman being hauled away.

Damn them all.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 04:15 PM
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83. It's not an old lady as
Edited on Wed Aug-12-09 04:32 PM by Hutzpa
Shuster implied, looking at this video you can clearly see an old guy approached
the woman and grabbed the poster and tore it up, thats what got her riled up.

Take a look at the video WATCH IT IN HD awesome;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7zfawMm-So&eurl=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/12/rosa-parks-poster-torn-up_n_257578.html&feature=player_embedded
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 01:13 PM
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114. He's a very lucky fellow
--the guy that grab the poster-- because if I'd been there, he'd be eating it. :evilfrown:

BTW, it was reported that he WAS arrested and charged with assault.

Thanks MSM for nothing....
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 02:34 PM
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117. Yup
Definitely an old guy, not woman. I could see a bit of a beard there.

And it did look as if an official was also escorting him out the other way - but then they move off-camera.

Disgusting display.
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:29 PM
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12. Despicable.
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NatBurner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:29 PM
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13. ...i guess i'm numb to this kind of shit at this point
i'm not even surprised by this

it's fucked up, and i'm quietly seething right now

but shocked?

no

it's a damned shame that i feel like i'm getting used to being treated this way

and

if i were to call this what it is? somehow I'M some sort of hyper-sensitive, overreacting reverse racist or some such bullshit

amazing
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:31 PM
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16. Why are you angry? Most here didn't give a fuck.
Edited on Wed Aug-12-09 02:33 PM by vaberella
I'm tired of this shit seriously. Everyone saw the visual of the Black woman getting kicked out and I'm sure many on here assumed it was her fault. I hope not to come across as though I'm whilin' on you and everything but seriously I'm just tired of this. Most of this shit is rarely talked about on this site and if it does get talked about--drama erupts and nothing gets done. Sure they'll say something is racist and then a good *number* of the assholes on this site will support the actions of those who did things wrong. People supported that gun touter in New Hampshire, people supported that cop in Boston....ugh.

I think I've reached a point in my life, mainly through the push of Obama's candidacy and election to this time and definitely getting hit in the face by shady perspectives on DU that there are a lot of racists in the world who have no problems sharing their thoughts or even realizing they're supporting racist agenda and propaganda.

Edited for clarity.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:35 PM
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17. Well, I'm not there yet
I still have the capacity to be angry, and I'm glad I do. Maybe the responses to this thread give you some hope?
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:42 PM
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27. No one addressed it yesterday on this board.
Majority ignored it. I discussed this on youtube and not on here. Added to that, the posts here do little for me when I look back to the past posts on this site to different situations. ie When prop 8 was passed and there was this underlying tone on this thread that Black people hate gays----when homosexuality has no race. When the Gates situation happened, I heard thread after thread of people defending the cop in the situation----something I'm hypersensitive since I come from NYC and cops here had too much power under Guiliani and basically terrorized minorities in New York and still do. When I see posts here of people who defended that clown carrying a gun at a rally. I don't care what rally--guns shouldn't be allowed, especially loaded---considering at Congresswoman Giffords rally someone dropped a loaded gun when they were going crazy and left it there. That shit is terrifying.

Actions like this, for all the good people who post and for all the righteous things they say----are always undermined by the crazy minorities and in some cases on this board I've seen it and it's disappointing and frustrating. I wondered at first why the African American community had a separate section (when there is equality there rarely should be a separate section) but more and more I'm seeing why...there are things going on that we are highly sensitive too and within reason that overall get a pass or tolerated by others on this site and others.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:56 PM
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47. On DU, the primary season & after Prop. 8 lots of ugly things said about African Americans
I have not gotten over that.

I also don't like the posts that blamed gays for the racism.

:rant:
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 03:08 PM
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58. To the last line, I hated those as well.
Because as I stated...gay has no race---there are Blacks who are gay, there are Latinos who are gay, there are Asians who are gay. And in many cases some of it was manufactured in the name of the gay community but what was going on this board was a major defense of it, and I can say I haven't gotten over it. I actually left the board for about a month or more because of this drama. And always there seems to be this sort of fall back that the "other" is more to blame than ones doing it. It's not to say that there aren't some who realize the real issue, but I always get this "blame the victim" vibe or when it's related to Blacks it's whatever.

I'll give you an example. When Michelle Bachmann came into my radar was when the whole fiasco with the impending collapse of the economy. She went on the house floor and stated minorities and basically Blacks because she named Jesse Jackson and Clinton are the cause of the collapse. I was livid with that racism...directly after her Boehner says if anything happens (Yom Kippur) break it's the fault of the Jews. I posted on this thread about that...nothing. No one really commented, no one said anything. I'm like one of our Congresswomen is a straight up racist. I posted about Tinkleberg who was running against her..nothing. The thread basically died. Fine.

Then she goes on Tweety's show, about 2 weeks later, and asks for an "expose" (no accent available to get) and everyone goes crazy, that was when I was able to pick up the thread about Tinkleberg. But the issue of her racism was sort of ignored and given a pass when I had provided a video of her shit and you can find it easy on youtube. I'm like what's going on here..where is the anger and rage about this racism. And I bumped the thread, a video was posted. Nothing.

So at times I get this feeling on here that somethings are just whatever.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 03:20 PM
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65. I took a pretty good beating here for this post (last November):
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 03:26 PM
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70. Wow. I bookmarked for future reference.
Thanks for the post, you definitely nailed it. But to see those posters, they were most definitely expressing what I've noted on this board.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 04:07 PM
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81. a lot of posters were just as upset as i was too
this is such an imperfect community, yet it is one of the best ones out there.

:shrug:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:36 PM
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18. "Everyone" did not see it.
And it is you who are assuming that "many on here assumed it was her fault."

Yes, there are people on DU who defend whatever cops and ugly white people do, but in my opinion, from reading many, many posts, MORE people on this site know racism when they see it.

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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:44 PM
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32. I should have rephrased...I thought most saw Tweety's show yesterday.
Or even MSNBC----I scanned most of the talk and whenever they showed clips of McCaskill's meeting that image was shown. And yeah, most would assume it was her fault because if you saw the tape and the way McCaskill stated it and the impression you're given it could be directed that way. I know on youtube it was most definitely taken that way.
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NatBurner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:55 PM
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44. I saw it on CNN. They described it as "a fight"
Edited on Wed Aug-12-09 03:00 PM by NatBurner
and then showed the loop of a Black woman being unceremoniously dragged away by the police

no explanation, no context

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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:59 PM
Response to Reply #44
50. Exactly...it was explained however on youtube at this link
Someone there explained the situation in an earlier post: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhA6jAtruto
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 03:00 PM
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52. I am at work when Tweety is on, and had not heard of this incident
until this morning. Haven't had time to look at the video. I'll watch it when I'm able to, hopefully tonight.

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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:36 PM
Response to Reply #16
19. Why oh why did you bother to open this post?
Ya gotta wonder about that.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:47 PM
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37. No wonder, I'll tell you. I was surprised someone brought it up here.
It was out there for all too see...it came out at the same time if not before or directly after the gun guy at the NH rally. Actually I saw the clip of it on Tweety's show. So whoever watched the show to see the views of that prick would have seen that clip. I believed he showed it twice.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #37
53. I don't have cable, have dialup internet, and I did not know for sure until this post.
On what I have, I had seen the clip (without any preliminaries or explanation) and later heard that someone's Rosa Parks sign was torn up. I put two and two together at that point, but was not certain until this post. Well, actually I *was* pretty certain, but had not had it confirmed.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:37 PM
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20. As soon as I saw that video, I knew the black lady was provoked in some way.
This just confirms it. That racist piece of crap should've been thrown out of the townhall, not the black lady.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:50 PM
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39. And what irked the shit out of me. McCaskill did NOTHING about that. n/t
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #39
80. *nodding*
On the one hand I can see how she could have no idea what was going on from her vantage point, and she was preoccupied with her speech, but on the other hand it's still annoying that in this specific example, media people jumped to take the side of the white person first and asked questions later.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:39 PM
Response to Reply #16
24. That's ok. I've got enough anger to go around for all the racism supporting assholes here.
:P
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:43 PM
Response to Reply #24
29. Yeah, my anger certainly gets
vented on DU.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:50 PM
Response to Reply #24
38. Ugh...BIB---I adore you. Whenever I notice it, I'll send you a pm. n/t
:pals: :fistbump:
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 03:16 PM
Response to Reply #16
64. Nope,
yesterday when I saw it, I felt it was just what it turned out to be. I said to myself that it looks as though the black woman was trying to stop someone from doing something.

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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 10:09 AM
Response to Reply #16
102. word, sis
:applause: when people at DU support "taking down" an 84 yo woman, i know it is because she is black. i don't care how they rationalize it, because it is not rational. that's the garden variety racism that needs to be examined. but, that requires ownership, responsibility, and accountability. denial is easier.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:38 PM
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22. I just saw that too. It's sickening. nt
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:39 PM
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23. I saw "Missouri" in the replies so I'm assuming
it happened there?

It's really heinous and I can only hope that the scourge of society is having the opposite effect on mainstreamers and Indies than the recons want.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:41 PM
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26. Was the content of the poster the reason for tearing it up?
Edited on Wed Aug-12-09 02:44 PM by HiFructosePronSyrup
Or was the person in the blue shirt angry that somebody had smuggled in a poster to an event where no poster was allowed?
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #26
28. person?
I don't understand your question.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:45 PM
Response to Reply #28
34. Excuse me, poster. Where no poster was allowed.
The last town hall meeting I attended, no posters were allowed.

I would personally assume anybody sneaking one in would be attempting to disrupt, regardless of poster content.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 10:18 PM
Response to Reply #34
91. Even if that were the case, it was not up to that asshole who tore the
poster up. Given the amount of security that was there, they should have been the ones to go to the woman with the poster and either take it, or tell her she couldn't hold it up.

I detest people like the poster-ripper completely.

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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 12:38 PM
Response to Reply #91
112. No, but it would make it much different.
I've been in movie theaters where somebody gets a cell phone call and actually answers it, and I've been tempted to snatch it out of their hand and chuck it against the wall.

Now, I'd be very wrong if I chose to do that. But if I did, it would be a lot different than if I did it because I hated black people. Motive counts.
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #34
115. They were ask to put the poster away
both women complied. A reporter approached and ask to see it and as she unfolded it (on the chair) Mr Klan rush over and grabbed it.

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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #26
74. He couldn't be angry about that.
Mainly because the women didn't know. I think he was angry at the attention the women were getting because of their poster and this could also be marked by a bit of anger towards the race factor---Rosa Parks poster, Obama being a product of actions by Ms. Parks and so many others for Black rights---probably added fuel to the fire. But the poster wouldn't have caused it----if it did, then he's more irrational the for the other reasons I mentioned.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 02:35 PM
Response to Reply #26
118. I think there was a photographer interested in the woman and the
poster - THAT'S when the guy in the blue shirt seemed to get upset and ripped her poster up.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:43 PM
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30. I'll admit, I figured her to be a token fundie and was headshaking
thinking you probably need this like oxygen and water, I promise that someone close to you needs relief and or coverage and here you are acting a fool.

I didn't "officially" jump to the conclusion but just kinda reckoned. I should have figured that lady was a victim of some ReichWingery but with so many falling out in bouts of complete insanity, you just kind of guess that it is more of the same.

Now I am PISSED!
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:43 PM
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31. Good, MSNBC is on the video.
Edited on Wed Aug-12-09 02:45 PM by Berry Cool
That means Keith will show it tonight, too, and Rachel probably will also.

Question: was it a woman or a man who tore up the sign? Just curious, because previous posters said it was a man. Not that it matters all that much, but it helps establish credibility of what we are seeing if we get something like that right.
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #31
61. It was a white male, not a white female, who tore up the poster...
and the video at huffingtonpost clearly shows that white male being detained and escorted out of the event by law enforcement. There is another DU thread detaling the man's subsequent arrest as well.

Thanks for calling attention to this -- credibility *is* important, details do matter.
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:46 PM
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35. For the past hour I've been trying to
find a way to translate my anger over this into words. I can't. I cannot begin to describe how upset I am. What the hell are the police doing? I haven't seen a single disruptor dragged away yet. Not one. WTF is going on?
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:47 PM
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36. damn
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:51 PM
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40. I hope this gets LOTS of media coverage.
:-(

I had no idea the situation went down as you described.

I wish I could say I was shocked.

:argh:
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #40
42. It didn't yesterday when it happened and it was on Tweety's show.
Tweety didn't even comment on it and neither did any of the other guys. It's now it's getting some coverage.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:53 PM
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41. WOW!!
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:54 PM
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43. That is exactly what I'd been wondering. Unbelievable. nt
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BecomingBrainy Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:55 PM
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45. See it for yourself
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:58 PM
Response to Reply #45
48. The video I saw on Tweety was different. Link below:
Edited on Wed Aug-12-09 03:27 PM by vaberella
This was aired yesterday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhA6jAtruto

Edited for spelling errors. By the way as I stated before McCaskill wasn't too good at this.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:58 PM
Response to Reply #45
49. Thanks
Edited on Wed Aug-12-09 03:00 PM by senseandsensibility
and welcome to DU. It appears the white person was male. Is that right?
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NatBurner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #45
54. wow... that's that good mob mentality right there
Edited on Wed Aug-12-09 03:06 PM by NatBurner
she was feeling pretty emboldened, i see

i wonder why?
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NatBurner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 03:13 PM
Response to Reply #45
62. did it really take five cops to get her out of there?
smh
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 03:20 PM
Response to Reply #62
66. She's Black...they're afraid she might pop an entourage out of her purse.
Edited on Wed Aug-12-09 03:21 PM by vaberella
:eyes: I know I carry mine around with me in my back pocket. Yell loud enough and they come to life. ~sigh~

Edit for spelling.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 08:38 AM
Response to Reply #66
95. LOL!
Thanks for the chuckle! All I can offer is that had I been near or next to the lady with the sign and some old racist bastard yanked it away from her and started tearing it up, I would have taken it back and let the old man know that he was cruisin' for a beat down if he did not behave.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 02:59 PM
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51. racism is alive and well in America. The party of Lincoln should hold their
heads in shame for what they have encouraged and become





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theothersnippywshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 09:38 AM
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99. The party of Lincoln has become the party of John Wilkes Booth. n/t
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panAmerican Donating Member (864 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 03:05 PM
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55. Never heard about the context of her removal until now.
Thanks for clarifying!
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 03:07 PM
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57. Another poster has posted an article that indicates that the man who did this was arrested.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #57
59. I saw that.
Edited on Wed Aug-12-09 03:10 PM by senseandsensibility
I did not hear this yesterday, or in Shuster's report just a couple of hours ago. He referred to the individual as a woman; at least,that's my recollection. Also, he said the black woman was ejected and not the white person. I hope everyone continues to contribute information as it becomes available. I will feel better if the white individual was arrested.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 03:10 PM
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60. Yes, it looks like he was taken away in the other direction. nt
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NatBurner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 03:26 PM
Response to Reply #60
71. pretty darned gently too, i might add
that lady was pretty much wrestled outta there-

mr poster ripper gets a genial nudge and an arm around the shoulder

again i ask:

wtf?
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 03:37 PM
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73. While she was pushed out, he was escorted. Lovely. You need to come to NYC--this is normal. n/t
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #57
67. Thanks for the info, Arkansas Granny.
:-)
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 01:02 PM
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113. What an irony that he shares a last name with one of the most successful black women in the world.nt
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 03:24 PM
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68. I thought it was a woman
Edited on Wed Aug-12-09 03:31 PM by Politicalboi
But I think I see a white beard so if that's right it's a man.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #68
72. It's a man...I thought he was a bit hippy too.
But when you're old they make mom jeans pants for you, or at least they always look like that.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 03:44 PM
Response to Reply #68
75. Are you sure it was a white beard
and not a white hood?
If anyone has any doubts as to which of the two parties is aligned with the Ku Klux Kaln this incident is a text book description of racial terrorism.
The Republican Party is a violation of the Patriot Act.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 03:53 PM
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76. Good grief that was appalling. Couldn't that be considered an assault?
That woman should be ashamed of herself but I fear she isn't.



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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 04:01 PM
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79. Thank you David Schuster.
I don't think these fools are doing themselves any favors? WHO will want to be associated with THAT?! At least openly.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 04:08 PM
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82. About ten minutes ago (before two o'clock pacific time)
Shuster referred to the white individual again as a female.:shrug:
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 05:00 PM
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84. The police response does look like some racist bullshit.
One cop leading the troublemaker away, six cops dog-piling the black victim. Why am I not surprised?
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hileeopnyn8d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 05:18 PM
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85. The St. Louis Post-Dispatch
is reporting the the person that ripped up the poster was arrested.

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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 06:26 PM
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86. K&R
:kick:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 10:06 PM
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90. It happened so fast, but they jumped on the BLACK WOMAN first
They saw a disturbance and *naturally* assumed the black woman was at fault.

I can almost hear the security people saying to the man, "It's all right sir, everything's under control now."
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 09:17 AM
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97. Of course. n/t
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 10:44 AM
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108. She was gonna kick that guy's ass and all his buddies. They did the right thing.
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Sultana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 12:47 AM
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93. Welcome to America
Edited on Thu Aug-13-09 12:48 AM by Sultana
:puke: :puke: :puke: :grr:
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 12:52 AM
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94. Saw McCaskill on CNN defending the asshole who tore it up.
Blamed the AA women for bringing the poster in, even though it was rolled up and sitting in a chair.

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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 09:16 AM
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96. I need to see where she defended him.
However at the meeting she definitely didn't handle it well.
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ariesgem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 01:52 PM
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116. Here she doesn't exactly defend him but she minimizes the racism angle
Edited on Thu Aug-13-09 01:55 PM by ariesgem
and puts the brunt of the blame on the woman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpzpkdH6PLc

She also tagged Rep. David Scott's comments about the racism coming from protesters as being "irresponsible". :mad:

Never mind he had a swastika spray painted at his office or that he been receiving racist hate mail and faxes by the bulk. sigh...


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ThatsMyBarack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 09:45 AM
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100. "Well, I'm proud to be an American....
"Where at least I know I'm free...."

STFU, PUKES! :mad:
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Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 10:09 AM
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103. It was a gray haired male wearing a blue shirt. It's very obvious.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 10:24 AM
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106. The OP saw it from Shuster---and Shuster kept saying, "She..." that's why. n/t
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 10:43 AM
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107. Seriously, if they had let that sistah stay in that meeting she would have beat the shit
out of all the teabaggers there. The cops did the right thing and protected lives.

They arrested the guy who took the sign.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 10:48 AM
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109. MSNBC has it on a loop. Even Rachel Maddow played it last night with no commentary.
It makes me angry, to say the least to see it played over and over with no explanation as to why the women were ejected--even if signs were not allowed at the event.
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Veruca Salt Donating Member (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 03:51 PM
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119. I am likely taking this to meme proportions, but it needs to be said and
passed on due to the shit that's happening:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=6283435

A picture is worth a thousand words.
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udbcrzy2 Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 09:45 PM
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121. KKK adopted a stretch of the HWY until Rosa Parks was named
In this area of Missouri there are some real rednecks and possibly KKK.
About 10 miles east of Hillsboro (where the forum took place) used to stand a sign on HWY-55 and it
said that this part of the highway was adopted by Ku-Klux-Klan until they named that stretch of the
highway after Rosa Parks.

Check it out here:

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/rosapark.asp
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