Dean and Clark are amiable - why not Dean and Clark supporters?

[absyntheNsugar]

I think alot of Dean and Clark supporters feel the same on the issues - the campaigns on both sides have virtually the same platform.

The two rarely attack each other - although there might be small bites, it's nothing like the rivalry between, say Dean and Kerry.

Hoping for a Dean/Clark or Clark/Dean ticket myself, I hope that both teams will be working together after super Tuesday.

However why are there so many swipes between the two camps of supporters?

[Mass_Liberal]

1. I don't know

I'm an aimiable Deanie and I don't take any shots at clark. Or clarkies. Same with kerry-ites, for the most part. I wish we all could be a l'il bit nicer wiv eachother. Eh?

[Dookus]

2. because of threads like one in GD

from a supposed nurse who "speculates" that Clark is ill, because she thinks he looked pale on a TV appearance.

No substance. No facts. Not a policy issue. Not a campaign issue. Just a baseless claim made to smear Clark.

[batman]

5. or the other one claiming the dean campaign admitted to fraud

with no basis what so ever for that claim

[bitchkitty]

24. Now be fair -

the poster provided a link - http://drudgereport.com - an excellent, unimpeachable source.

[YellowDawgDemocrat]

11. Because we want our guy to win and for that to happen, your guy has to

lose. Campaigns aren't pretty, so grow up and stop with all the whining.

If you have substantive issues to debate or differences in opinion on the issues, lay 'em on us. But, all this whining about playing nice in politics is silly. This is war without the body bags. It's always been that way and will always be that way.

[LuminousX]

3. We are the pawns; They have to remain amiable - we sock it out.

[Printer70]

4. Clark: amiable? Vietnam cheap-shot

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-3435696,00.html

Retired Gen. Wesley Clark, who is running for president on his four-star military credentials, assailed Democratic front-runner Howard Dean on Wednesday for spending time on the ski slopes after getting a medical deferment for a back condition to avoid being drafted during the Vietnam War.

``I didn't have as much practice skiing as the governor did. He was out there skiing when I was recovering from my wounds in Vietnam,'' Clark, a former supreme allied commander in Europe, told WNTK radio.

[Lone Pawn]

6. I wouldn't call it a cheap-shot...

I'd call it true.

[funky_bug]

9. I'd call it both

Shame on Clark. But at least his bashing is founded in truth... AND it's good practice for the Bush wacking he'll be facing if he gets the nod.

[Printer70]

20. Hmmm...

[Lisa0825]

31. FUNNIEST.DAMN.POST.EVER.

too freakin' funny!!!
:yourock:

[absyntheNsugar]

Like I said, small swipes on both sides

I recall Dean recently making a small jibe at Clark. But you have to agree these swipes are nothing like some of the others that have gone on.

I really hope the fighting on both sides can pass - if either Clark or Dean wins the nom, you know the Repubs will grab all the sound bites they can against whomever the candidate chosen and use them in their ads.

[batman]

13. he also claimed dean cant win which is total bullshit, but some crows

do seem to be feeding at the bullshit feeder

[cprise]

15. He might as well say:

"Dean was out there skiing when I was killing people in Vietnam,"

There's two sides to that issue.

[joeybee12]

7. Why? Because you can remain friggin anonymous here!

Seriously, if a Clark supporter and a Dean supporter who usually post here werer to meet face to face, the dialogue would be much more civil. Chat rooms give a lot of cover, and people say things in the heat of the moment that they wouldn't do when in person. It's human nature. Besides, like myself, someone has probably just read some tripe by a media whore right before coming to DU, so you're in a piss poor mood to begin with.

Take it with a grain of salt.

[robbedvoter]

18. HD supporters hattassed me for 1 h as I was collecting signatures

for Clark. Face to face. 2 on 1. In the end I shamed them with my STOP BUSH button, but I cannot shake the feeling of disgust. Always hated bullies and thugs.

[dsc]

25. any pics

or just the word of you,

[xultar]

8. Honestly I don't know...

I have tried to make sure that Clark supporters represent Clark with dignity and respect. If I se a post where a Clark supporter is out o line I let them know.

I would ask that all mature supporters from each of the campaign try to make sure your fellow supporters represent your candidate in a manner that is respectful and positive to your cause.

[MIMStigator]

10. less amiable here since Dean started attackig Clark

eom

[Carni]

12. I agree with you

One of these guys is going to be the nominee and I certainly hope people will suck it up after the fact and move on...or WE ARE SOOOO SCREWED :(

[Padraig18]

14. The civility rules prevent me from answering. n/t

[Capn Sunshine]

29. what he said.

I miss the old DU -------when we didn't have to wade through right wing filth posted by supposed supporters of a supposed liberal ex military candidate daily.

[robbedvoter]

16. Let me count the ways HD had been "amiable" to Clark

Dr. Dean all but called Gen. Wesley K. Clark dishonest, responding to his contention that Dr. Dean had offered him the No. 2 slot if he became the nominee, by saying, "I can tell you flat out I did not ask him to be my running mate."
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/25/politics/campaigns/25DEAN.html

****

""On Wednesday afternoon, two Dean volunteers stood in the frigid cold outside of a Peterborough "Conversations with Clark" handing out a two-sided opposition paper on Clark. On one side it read "WESLEY CLARK: PRO-WAR"-the other side, "WESLEY CLARK: REAL DEMOCRAT?" And then, in a box at the bottom, it was printed: Paid For by Dean For America.
Clark responded to the hand-outs saying, "I guess that's what you can expect from professional politicians." And, while Clark maintains he is running a positive campaign, both he and his senior communications strategist, Chris Lehane, did not rule out a return fight back at some point.
Instead Lehane told reporter after reporter that "Dean is starting to hear the footsteps. The hot breath of the Clark campaign is on the back of Dean's neck."
But it doesn't seem like the attacks will let up. When Clark shows up in North Dakota on Saturday, 'Dean for America' may have a surprise for The General. In an email sent out by Dean's North Dakota "GenDean" coordinator, Berrett Gall, Dean supporters were invited to the Jefferson-Jackson dinner where Clark will be speaking. Gall writes: "Wesley Clark will be speaking at the event, and we want there to be at least 100 Dean supporters there, 50 of them, GenDean members. We will have Beanies, shirts, noise makers, and a bunch of cool Dean stuff for you when you get there.""
(From ABC's The Note, today)
And then there were all the "He's a Republican pronouncements - just as Clark was refusing to be baited to attack him,
And I didn't even go into the dirty tricks with the VP thingy.
Enough BS to make any call for unity soud like "bipartisanship" to us.
And look at the ugly threads here - no source is to low if it can slime Clark.

[Jerseycoa]

21. Error

"The hot (minty) breath of the Clark campaign is on the back of Dean's neck."

Our campaign staff is witty and cool. :smoke:

[Sagan]

17. I'm amiable!

Maybe it's because I like Dean AND Clark. Honestly, I can't see how someone who likes Clark can dislike Dean and vice versa.

They're both outsiders and have very similar positions, once you parse what they're saying.

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. Because as soon as Clark

entered the race the Dean supporters went into attack mode because they know he's a threat and haven't stopped. That's why. I was nice about it for a while, but after months of their slander, I took the gloves off and they're staying off until Clark is elected.

I don't want a Clark/Dean ticket! He's the LAST VP I would want. I can't stand him.

[Jerseycoa]

22. And because

Even the ones you think are nice turn around and stab you.

[RetroLounge]

23. It's all about ego

eom

[adamrsilva]

26. Because each other's candidate is the one their's has

to beat for the nom.

[farmbo]

27. Two great candidates...One Great Campaign: Dean (He op'd out)

I love them both, but I lost all interest in the Clark campaign when they accepted federal spending limits....the f*ckin' kiss of death in a campaign against Bush.

The Bush boys are licking their chops to unleash the $200 Rovian mudslide heading Clark's way...and he can't respond.

And the General will be shooting blanks.

A Dean/ Clark ticket would NOT be subject to spending limits, BTW.

[tishaLA]

28. I simply refuse to get into the fray

which is why my post count is still so damn low. I could do the drive by, like a few supporters of my candidate sometimes do, but it's just so counterproductive.

I agree with you about the "small bites" Clark and Dean make at each other, but people here seem to want a pound of flesh for minor infractions of decorum. It just makes me sad.

[Melinda]

30. We do in real life - my family, friends & assoc. = a great mix of the two.

It's on message boards where people can hide anonymously that the darkness within some peoples character oozes out.

[Lisa0825]

32. absyntheNsugar, I couldn't agree more....

Many Clark supporters I have met in peron or online feel the same. even if both camps won't admit to the VP theories, both camps' supporters have (for the most part) expressed respect for each other.

I have proudly proclaimed ABB from the beginning, and if not Dean, Clark would definitely be my next choice.

I just wish there were more unifying posts, and fewer inflammatory ones.

Thank YOU!!!! :-D