I do understand where Pat Buchanan is coming from

[Hutzpa]

it's from the fear of the unknown, the fear of going back to those days where it
use to be "No Irish Need Apply" it's the fear of losing power.


110 Supreme Court Justices...108 has been White male and Pat thinks
it's because they deserve to be there....

So, next time you see Pat Buchanan, please give him a hug and pat him
on his back saying "everything is gonna be alright... Pat"







FEAR!!

[Cha]

1. And, just who had the

"meltdown"?

[Douglas Carpenter]

2. I think it is both genuine fear and a political strategy of playing on fear

Since the days of the notoriously racist film, "Birth of a Nation" and before that there has been attempt by some to stir up the fear that the white man is losing his power and will soon be a persecuted minority. Unfortunately, during bad economic times more people are vulnerable to accepting this demagoguery.

[BlooInBloo]

3. Nah. They just enjoy hating folks with brown skin. They like it.

[Me.]

4. He & The Sessions Of This World Are Hysterical With Fear

There's nothing they can do to stop the changing face of the country and they know it.

[Frustratedlady]

5. Partly, but the Repugs' biggest problem is they cannont accept the idea

of "those people" receiving things without working for them.

They hate that they work their tails off and the Black and/or Hispanic man or woman can receive food stamps, rent subsidies, free medical care, financial support for college, etc. using the taxpayers' dime. THEN to have Affirmative Action get them into jobs and/or college before a white man is the final straw.

They are not a generous people. The contrast is frightening between the Republican and Democratic frame of mind.

[Hutzpa]

10. True

the difference can be compassion and malignant, one is based on knowing and understanding
how to treat your fellow human being and the other is based on hearsay and slander from a
fellow man.

The Democrats have that while the Republicans are lacking that, part of it is because of
slander which started during the Jim Crow days, lies where being told on Black men sleeping
with White women and these men where in turn lynched.

This philosophy emerged and became the pseudonym for Whites to label Blacks as inferior,
lazy and lacking the ability to perform in any job.

Affirmative Action was created to even the playing field to prevent Blacks being passed for
promotion, which use to happen alot.

[anonymous171]

14. Well if that were true, they would have a good point.

However, often times blacks/hispanics will work their tails off and be denied jobs or certain opportunities just because of their race. That is why all of those programs exist, to compensate for racism. It is not about generosity, but about fairness and justice.

[Frustratedlady]

17. Katrina really brought out the hatred.

Wouldn't you think the Republicans would be embarrassed, rather than so arrogant and hateful?

[HopeOverFear]

29. Thank you

[uponit7771]

31. yeap

[AspenRose]

38. +1

It only opens the door. Still have to work your ass off. And be twice as good.

[CitizenLeft]

37. ...totally forgetting that poor white people ALSO get...

...food stamps, welfare checks, financial support for college, Medicaid and rent subsidies. It's not just minorites who benefit, but you couldn't find a racist who would admit that.

[LiberalAndProud]

39. You mean poor white people like 'Joe' the 'Plumber'?

Some folks can disconnect all links between perception and reality.

[CitizenLeft]

41. bullseye.

And thank you!

[hlthe2b]

6. It is all a matter of degree, I'm afraid...

Think there aren't males on DU who will argue with an intensity to bend glass that there is not a significant gender-based salary gap between men and women today? As we've seen repeated here numerous times, you can cite scores of articles and data analyses and this group will refuse to believe it...

So, while I think DUers as a whole are far less likely to be overtly racist as PB or most RWers, we have a ways to go...

[ashling]

7. I used to deliver his Sunday New York Times

. . . untill he cancelled his subscription. :rofl:

I have no particular insight on any of this because of that fact, but there it is .....:shrug:

[Hutzpa]

13. Go back and give him a hug

tell him it's gonna be alright Pat, you never know, he might just start
subscribing again...:rofl:

[ashling]

24. I also delivered to Teddy Kennedy

just sayin

[Hutzpa]

33. Leave Uncle Ted out of the equation

he is excluded. Uncle Ted and Pat are not to be mentioned in the same
breath, that would be a disservice to the Lion of Judah.

[doc03]

8. The whole Republican philosophy is based

on fear and greed.

[Jakes Progress]

35. You left out hate. nt

[sandnsea]

9. I remember asking why white men, white Christian men

needed their own party - and got the hell beat out of me around here. There are lots of white male DUers, or at least used to be, who think exactly like Pat Buchanan.

[Hutzpa]

11. Yup

but they are fast becoming marginalized and the sooner they get it, the better it will
be for everyone.

[BlooInBloo]

12. They don't have to get it. They're dying faster than they're being made.

[WCGreen]

22. You know no one has to be marginalized if all are included...

[WCGreen]

15. There are also a whole lot of white males here on DU that aren't

racist pigs, that understand completely that we can never be a great country until the idea of inclusion because of race color or creed is no longer needed. Think of the rich tapestry of humanity that gets shut out when white guys like Pat B have their way.

[sandnsea]

19. No shit? You don't say!

Knock me over with a feather. I thought every white man on DU was exactly the same as every other white man on DU.

:eyes:

[Frisbee]

16. I hope you realize there are also those of us...

who think he is a complete ass.

[sandnsea]

18. No. I think every white male thinks exactly the same

Edit to add /sarcasm because it is likely going to be needed.

What purpose does it serve to ask such a thing?

[uponit7771]

32. I didn't read "all" in this persons post.

[No Passaran]

20. Pat Buchanan. What a joke

For an Irish guy, whose great grandfather was treated worse than dogs in this country, to say stuff like that about minorities - it just gets my blood boiling

[AspenRose]

40. Amazing, isn't it?

You'd think there'd be some meeting of the minds among the Irish like Buchanan and blacks in this country. But the Irish, like so many other European immigrant communities, have been assimilated and absorbed into the "white" makeup in this country.

http://www.amazon.com/Irish-Became-White-Routledge-Classics/dp/0415963095/ref=pd_sim_b_4
http://www.amazon.com/Working-Toward-Whiteness-Americas-Immigrants/dp/0465070744/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_b
http://www.amazon.com/Wages-Whiteness-American-Working-Haymarket/dp/1859842402

For every Pat Buchanan there's a Joe Biden, though. Thank goodness.

[boppers]

21. Having grown up as a white mormon republican, maybe I can help explain.

Similar to what another poster said, much of the issue is about feeling that the tables are being turned, in such a way that the "sins of the fathers" are visited upon their children, and we're being unfairly punished.

[Honeycombe8]

46. I don't think so.

I think the problem is fear that the solution sometimes becomes worse than the problem, or at least as bad.

There HAVE been instances where an effort to cure past racism has resulted in the pendulum swinging too far the other way.

Then there is a simple difference of opinion. Most S.Ct. Justices have been white. Well, most people in the country have been white, so that makes sense. And if the court were to be truly reflective of its population (and it was not intended to be set up that way...it's not a "representative" body), then you would have over half being female, but only one Af. American, only one hispanic/latino, one Asian (or half of one?). I mean, it can get ridiculous.

Not saying there shouldn't be diversity on the court, but in trying to make it diverse, it can go to silly extremes.

And a lot of people got upset over the firefighter case, because the result of what happened was, IMO, wrong and harmful to average hard working Americans. If those firefighters that weren't promoted, but had earned it, had been Af. American, many people would be totally okay with protesting, crucifying Sotomayor, etc. Seems to some, though, that because of THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN, that it is okay that those guys didn't get what they had earned. Anyone who can't see the injustice in that isn't looking, IMO. Or maybe doesn't care about those particular people.

Pat's bigger problem, though, is that he's old and lives in a era gone by. He can't even see how prejudiced and sexist he is because it's so ingrained in him, that he sees everything through the prism of a racist/sexist eye. So he isn't intentionally saying hurtful things (unlike some others). He just doesn't understand that his viewpoint IS so racist and sexist sometimes.

I'll give him kudos for one thing, though: He is sincere, genuine, and has the balls to say what he thinks. This is unlike many mealy mouthed politicians. And this includes no matter who may dislike what he says. He spoke out strongly against the Iraq War. One of the few who did so.

[babylonsister]

23. I never will. He's a bigot and m$nbc should get rid of him. nt

[grantcart]

25. It is completely manufactured fear

He is banging the drum of fear to try and get attention and power.


He knows that it is BS and does it anyway.


that is wehre he is coming from.

[Orsino]

26. From 1854. n/t

[HopeOverFear]

30. LOL

[AngryAmish]

27. 106

your point stands

[alsame]

28. I wonder if Pat can imagine the fear of

Native Americans as they saw white men in boats landing on their shores.

Probably not.

[LeftishBrit]

34. If I believed in hell, I'd say that's where he came from

But I like your description! The Right do seem to get where they are by exploiting fear.

[polmaven]

36. Rachel kept saying that 108 number

last night too. Actually, it is 107....I know, picky, picky. But O'Connor, Ginsburg and Thomas...2 women and an AA male...110 - 3 = 107, no?

[Hutzpa]

42. 107

Thanks for catching that.

[jacksonian]

44. no, Rachel was right

She said 108 were white, which is true - Ginsburg and O'Connor being white. Rachel also said 108 were male, which is also correct. There have been two AA males - Thomas and Thurgood Marshall.

[jeremyfive]

43. For, For, For, Against

As a white American (English, Irish, Swedish, and Norwegian)actually, but no one asks anymore--now just "white American",

I am for Sotomayor,
I am definitely for Obama,
I am for universal particpation from everyone in our culture,

But I am against affirmative action--for ten or fifteen years after the 60's I was for it, but as a way of life, I think it is poor policy that creates more problems than it solves. It's an artificial solution.

(For me, the silliest part of the Sotomayor hearings is having Atonin Scalia described by the right as a fine example of a legal mind. Scalia is a renegade "box of crackers" that has made a career out of wild legistating from the bench--Scalia is the definite "loose canon on the deck" of the Supreme Court (though Roberts and Thomas are 1st and 2nd runners-up). The GOP should examine their own first, before accusing others of legislating from the bench--their wackos on the court are engaged in fictitious law creation quite nicely, thank you. Sotomayor can only help this sorry state of affairs.

[ecstatic]

45. Pat is a white supremacist. Period.

There is nothing redeeming about him and I certainly will not waste time feeling sorry for him. Fuck him and everyone else like him.