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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 03:07 PM
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My Dad, The Swingvoter (?)
So, some of you have heard Plaidder family politics sagas before, but I thought I would share the latest one:

Had lunch with my parents and my partner and her parents this past Sunday. Politics reared its head late in the game. My mother says she's 'probably' going to vote for Kerry, despite having been a huge Bush apologist for years because she's friends with some of his distant relatives. My father, who's a lifetime pro-business Republican white affluent executive type, said that he didn't think Bush had done a good job but he couldn't see himself voting for Kerry.

I wasn't surprised to hear him criticizing Bush because he's done it before; he thinks the Iraq war is a disaster, among other things. Not that imperialism bothers him, but he just couldn't believe the lack of long-range planning; as he always said, "It was never in question whether the most powerful army in the world can defeat Saddam Hussein; the problem is gonna be what happens afterwards." And as we can see, there was no fucking plan for that, apart from "Everybody profiteer!" Anyway, during this most recent discussion he also used the words "Someone is going to have to raise taxes because something's got to be done about the deficit," which startled me because my dad is probably in that 2% bracket that Kerry plans to hit. And then he goes on about how the Democrats should have a better candidate, and I said that we'd have a better candidate if we had a better media, and he said the media is biased toward the Democrats, and at that point I fear I sort of stopped being calm and rational.

One thing I can say for my career as an amateur pundit, though: I have all kinds of information at my fingertips that I never had before. I went through the whole thing about Judith Miller pumping Chalabi's fantasies directly into the NYT and Bush being an absentee president and I wound up saying, "You keep saying you think George W. is a good man. I don't think he's a good man. I don't think he or any of his crowd have the country's best interests at heart. I think they've basically been pillaging for the past four years and that's all they're going to do if they're re-elected. They started a war based on false premises that they now have no idea how to win and I don't see why anyone thinks that if you give them another four years they're going to be able to solve all these problems that they've created."

He said, "Well, see, that's the argument Kerry should be making." And I just kind of went, 'ARRRRGH!'

Eventually it was over and my parents were trying to tell me it would all be OK in the end whatever happened and I was thinking, for them, this is just a game that they enjoy playing with me the way my brother likes to argue, and they think this is just a normal election and we're just having a bracing exchange of views. For me, that's not what's going on here. This is a serious, life-or-death moment in the history of the country, and it's bigger than whether you're conservative or liberal or Republican or Democrat, it's bigger than America even, and come on people, you have to GET that.

So I left thinking, well, that was all a waste of time, I'm never going to convince anyone because I can't talk about any of this without getting upset. Then I got a voicemail from my mother, saying that on the way home in the car, my dad said, "Well...I *guess* maybe I could think about voting for Kerry."

Better than nothing! But I sure am tired of this, and I hope November ends it, because I'm about tapped out.

One brain at a time,

The Plaid Adder
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PittLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 03:36 PM
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1. I have a similar issue...
My father and older brother are serious business repubs. As far as social issues are concerned, I don't think they care, as they don't feel that it effects them being affluent white, male heterosexuals. In regards to racism, homosexuality and religion ... either way, as long as it doesn't get too close. My older brother is hopeless - we can't have a civil conversation about what to eat, let alone politics. I haven't talked much to my father about his views on the war. He is a purple heart Vietnam vet whom I've never heard speak of the war (VN). My mother says that the only time she heard him speak of it was when he cornered Elmo Zumwalt (Nominated on 14 April 1970 by President Nixon to serve as Chief of Naval Operations, became CNO with rank of Admiral from 1 July 1970 to 1 July 1974) after a speech and confronted him about the war being wrong. I am just itching to ask him questions, but it is an already tenuous relationship (both of us are hotheads)and I don't want to jeopardize it. I am just dying to know how he feels! He has to disagree, but will probably vote for * anyway. The good news is that my stepmom stands her ground as a dem and is hoping my newly registered repub brother will vote for Kerry. My bro is staying with me while he looks at schools this weekend, so I'll get to him :evilgrin:
Likewise ... my mom is a hopeless self interest case, but I know my stepdad is a closet bleeding heart. If I could just get him away from her for like five minutes ... I swear I could convert him! I wish us both luck!
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 03:56 PM
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2. When talking in the future use the phrase
Edited on Tue Sep-21-04 03:56 PM by Bandit
Either they are totally incompetent or they are LIARS. There is no other explanation. Ask them for one and watch them shrug.
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CitySky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 04:01 PM
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3. If he really thinks, "That's What Kerry Should Be Saying"
then yesterday's speech should push him over the top. How about just printing out a nice copy, waiting until you're going to leave town, and giving it to him then with a big hug and an "I love you, Dad, no matter what?"

The speech rocked. It covered all the bases. If Dad just needs some assurance that Kerry is as smart as The Adder, there it is. ;)

-Peace!
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 04:08 PM
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4. I think Kerry's tapped into you dad's karma
and the collective karma of millions like him.
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 04:09 PM
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5. Good work
I had a similar experience with my nephew over the weekend. We talked on the phone for a long time and finally asked him "why are you planning on voting for a guy who does the complete opposite of everything you believe in?" He thought for a minute and said "That's a good question." Then I sent him all kinds of stuff covering a lot of things that we talked about. I don't have a real confirmation yet but I think I convinced him that he has to do some research and think for himself and not fall for the rhetoric that the media feeds us. I told him to take the time to check out the issues and if you do decide that Kerry is the right guy to do your best to talk him up and spread the word. He said he would. And he's in Pennsylvania!

That's what we have to do. One at a time - we DU'ers can make a difference! :toast:
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