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masuki bance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 10:49 PM
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"A lot of people walked the plank on a bill that will never become law,"
Boehner: Climate bill a 'pile of s--t'


Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) had a few choice words about House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's (D-Calif.) landmark climate-change bill after its passage Friday.

When asked why he read portions of the cap-and-trade bill on the floor Friday night, Boehner told The Hill, "Hey, people deserve to know what's in this pile of s--t."

Using his privilege as leader to speak for an unlimited time on the House floor, Boehner spent an hour reading from the 1200-plus page bill that was amended 20 hours before the lower chamber voted 219-212 to approve it.

Eight Republicans voted with Democrats to pass the bill; 44 House Democrats voted against it.

Pelosi's office declined to comment on Boehner's jab. But one Democratic aide quipped, "What do you expect from a guy who thinks global warming is caused by cow manure?"

...

Further, officials with the House GOP's campaign arm, the National Republican Congressional Committee, confirm that they will run with paid media over recess in districts of conservative Dems who voted for the bill. The official would not reveal details on the ad buys at this time.

One Democrat was upset that his leaders would needlessly force vulnerable Dems to vote for a bill that will come back to haunt them. Mississippi Rep. Gene Taylor (D) voted against the measure that he says will die in the Senate.

"A lot of people walked the plank on a bill that will never become law," Taylor told The Hill after the gavel came down.


http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/boehner-climate-bill-a-pile-of-s--t-2009-06-27.html






Wow. Who is this guy?
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 10:56 PM
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1. Blue Dog.
Edited on Sat Jun-27-09 10:57 PM by billyoc
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 10:58 PM
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2. Mississippi Rep. Gene Taylor (D)
Edited on Sat Jun-27-09 10:59 PM by depakid
A stupid fundamentlist Southerner with climate change denial problems. and economic denial problems.

Democrats are better off without people like that in the ranks.

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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:44 PM
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5. Gene Taylor's a flaming liberal, by Mississippi standards.
Compare him to that caveman Roger Wicker, or former governor (and closet Klansman) Kirk Fordice.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 01:17 AM
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17. Gene Taylor is probably the best that that portion of Mississippi could elect.
Only Bennie Thompson is more liberal, but then again, he represents the predominantly Black district of the Mississippi Delta, strong Democrat territory.

I live in Taylor's district. He's not a very progressive representative by national standards, but it's probably better than having another Republican in there. Democrats like him should be treated as placeholders. They give us the numbers to control the House of Representatives and the chairmanships of the committees as a result.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 01:38 AM
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19. I guess I just prefer that the anti-science, economic ignoramus set stays on the Republican side
of the aisle.
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masuki bance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 02:05 AM
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21. You want 44 Dems to switch sides?
People have gone mad.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 02:36 AM
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23. I'd prefer a clear line of demarcation between the kooks and the rational folks
It'd also be nice to keep the corruption on one side of the aisle, but that's asking WAY too much.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 04:30 AM
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26. I think you might feel differently if it were your representative
Gene Taylor's district faced some of the worst damage of Hurricane Katrina. He worked tirelessly after that to hold Bush accountable and to stop the insurance companies from screwing his constituents. Any Republican in his place would've just kissed their asses instead of actually representing his constituents. He also worked to hold the administration accountable for Abu Ghreib and for not providing proper body armor for the troops.

The same goes for Mary Landrieu. I, quite frankly, don't give two shits what the purity crowd thinks about her. She does important things for Louisiana that a Republican would not do in her place and for that she is worth keeping even if her voting record isn't great.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 07:04 AM
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29. Let the purge begin!
Real productive there.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 01:00 PM
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38. What's productive is for Democrats to start acting like Democrats
and not bizarre, fundamentalists and ideologues who are willing to stab the party (and in this case, the rest of world population) in the back.

So yes, I'd prefer that Southerners like this had ZERO influence on the Democratic side of the aisle. They've been the bane of the party- and progressive goals for MANY years.



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Raine1967 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:04 PM
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3. Interesting Parallel---
Look haw close the Blue dogs are with the Repubs.

Who is he? I dunno -- but he isn't a real Dem.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:19 PM
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4. Democrats? that vote for such bills have no business expecting to get reelected.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:48 PM
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6. Can you elaborate? Doncha have some propaganda to serve us?
If Boehner is crying and Gore is lauding it, than its a great Bill, far as I'm concerned.

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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:58 PM
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7. wall street loves it and GreenPeace doesn't.
Like backdoor tax increases on everyone ramrodded through congress in the middle of the night? You figure it out.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 12:23 AM
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8. Geeze, propaganda suits you....
Edited on Sun Jun-28-09 12:28 AM by FrenchieCat
Too bad you identify with the "all or nothing" crowd...as you will be lonely.
IN addition, it ain't over yet, so perhaps you can do what you can to
kill the bill. After all, some folks would prefer doing nothing than doing something.


So yet again I ask, what is up with Greenpeace?

I’m sure the group thinks it is doing something constructive; but I deeply question whether, given our current political and legislative realities, not to mention our modern media system, that’s really the case. There’s a left-radical mindset, according to which it’s always honorable to be protesting something, and trying to extend the limits of the possible in the John Lennon/”Imagine” direction. Yet this mentality clashes strongly with the modern need to build coalitions, stay on message, and achieve realistic goals. And unfortunately, it also burns up political energy, particularly in the young and idealistic among us.

I’m emphasizing this not because I hate Greenpeace, but because of my strong conviction that my allies often need a yank into the modern political and media moment.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/05/18/the-climate-pragmatists-romm-and-krugman-vs-greenpeace/


Every journey of a 1000 miles begins with a single step — including stopping human-caused global warming at “safe levels,” as close as possible to 2°C. Many people have asked me how I can reconcile my climate science realism, which demands far stronger action than the Waxman-Markey bill requires, and my climate politics realism, which has led me to strongly advocate passage of this flawed bill.

The short answer is that Waxman-Markey is the only game in town. If it fails, I see no chance whatsoever of stabilizing anywhere near 350 to 450 ppm since serious U.S. action would certainly be off the table for years, the effort to jumpstart the clean energy economy in this country would stall, the international negotiating process would fall apart, and any chance of a deal with China would be dead. Warming of 5°C or more by century’s end would be all but inevitable, with 850 to 1000+ ppm. If Waxman-Markey becomes law, then I see a genuine 10% to 20% chance of averting catastrophe — not high, but not zero.
http://climateprogress.org/2009/05/21/waxman-markey-approved-house-energy-and-commerce-committe/


Today was the first genuine step that the U.S. House of Representatives has ever taken on climate. And since the Committee is stuffed with members representing traditional (i.e. polluting) energy industries, it shouldn’t be harder for the full House to pass this bill than it was for the committee. That said, the House GOP leadership is certainly much savvier than Joe Barton (see here) — and agricultural and other interest groups have yet to flex their muscle. Much work remains keep the bill as strong as possible even in the House.

For climate politics realists, it will be a staggering achievement if, in 12 months or so, an energy and climate bill that looks something like Waxman-Markey is signed into law by President Obama. After all, the United States hasn’t enacted a major economy-wide clean air bill since the Clean Air Act amendments of 1990. And that bill had a cap-and-trade system where 97% of the permits were given to polluters. And it focused on direct, short-term health threats to Americans.

The forces that are lined up against serious climate action today are incredible:

The Congressional GOP are almost unanimous in their opposition to any serious climate bill or any clean energy bill (see “Hill conservatives reject all 3 climate strategies) — and they are committed to demagoguing the cost issue even to the point of embarrassing the outside-of-the-beltway GOP
http://climateprogress.org/2009/05/21/waxman-markey-approved-house-energy-and-commerce-committe/


Sierra Club Applauds Historic House Vote
on Comprehensive Clean Energy Plan

Bill Moves Us One Step Closer to Clean Energy Future;
Key Elements Must Be Strengthened As Plan Moves Forward

Statement of Carl Pope, Sierra Club Executive Director

"Moving a comprehensive clean energy jobs plan through a committee historically dominated by those with ties to the oil, coal, and other polluting industries is a laudable victory and truly historic accomplishment. Chairmen Waxman and Markey have led the way and it is certain that this feat never could have happened without their extraordinary leadership. They have long been champions for the environmental movement and we congratulate them on achieving this critically important milestone. This bill puts the U.S. on the path to slash the carbon emissions that cause global warming 80 percent by 2050, a signal accomplishment necessary to preserve the planet for future generations.
http://action.sierraclub.org/site/MessageViewer?em_id=110801.0


The vote fell largely along party lines, with only one Republican voting yes—Mary Bono Mack (Calif.)—and four Democrats voting no—John Barrow (Ga.), Jim Matheson (Utah), Charlie Melancon (La.), and Mike Ross (Ark.). But the Dems who did support the bill represent diverse constituencies—coal states, industrial districts, and agricultural areas, as well as coastal regions.

As the bill was debated this week, Republicans on the committee offered dozens of amendments intended to weaken it or kill it entirely, but Democrats stood united behind the bill, approving only one insignificant GOP amendment. That’s thanks to hard work done ahead of time by Committee Chair Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) and his bill coauthor, Ed Markey (D-Mass.), who negotiated at length with moderate Democrats to craft a bill they could support. (Most Republicans had made it clear that their opposition to the bill was nonnegotiable.)

Rep. Joe Barton (R-Texas), the ranking Republican on the committee and an outspoken climate skeptic, offered a substitute amendment that would have removed the cap-and-trade provision from the bill, invalidated the Supreme Court’s Massachusetts v. EPA climate decision, and ramped up production of oil, gas, coal, and nuclear power. That went down in flames, with all Democrats and one Republican, George Radonovich of California, voting against it, plus two other Republicans, John Shadegg of Arizona and Greg Walden of Oregon, voting “present” rather than weighing in one way or another.

Democrats offered a number of their own amendments, most successful, but none of them significantly altered the bill. An amendment from John Dingell (D-Mich.) would create a program within the Energy Department to make loan guarantees for clean-energy technologies, and other amendments added tree-planting programs and a system of voluntary labeling to note the carbon content of consumer goods.

That’s just the beginning

While the fight to pass the bill out of committee was tough, there are lots more hurdles to be jumped before the legislation can get to the House floor to be voted on by all representatives. And in the Senate, it will likely be even harder to push a climate bill through.
http://www.grist.org/article/2009-05-22-house-panel-oks-climate-bill


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Nobelist Al Gore today issued the following statement on the passage of the American Clean Energy and Security Act out of the House Energy and Commerce Committee:

I commend Chairmen Waxman and Markey for their leadership in this historic action by the House Energy and Commerce Committee.

The bill represents a crucial step forward in addressing the global climate crisis, the need for millions of new green jobs to end the recession, and the national security threats that have long been linked to our growing dependence on foreign oil and other fossil fuels.

I encourage Congress to further strengthen this excellent legislation during floor consideration and move to pass this bill in both the House and the Senate this year.

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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 12:32 AM
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9. Thank god this one's gonna die in the Senate.
If for no other reason that Waxman tried to push through a 200-page amendment the night before the vote.

It kills me to say this, but I agree with Boner on this one. It's a piece of shit.
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masuki bance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 12:43 AM
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11. 300 pages, not 200. nt
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 01:01 AM
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14. The 2 is next to the 3....you're right, of course.
...and 300 makes it even worse.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 12:49 AM
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12. That means you are with the Republicans.
Good for you.

And if you happen to see Boehner,
tell him I said "Shut the Fuck up you dumbass piece of treacherous shit
willing to do anything as long as it doesn't help the people one iota!"
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 01:00 AM
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13. ...and with the 44 Dems that voted against it...
Look, I'd love to see real "green" legislation, but this isn't it.

In an economy that was doing well, it'd still be garbage legislation. In our present situation, it's a horror.


I'm not a yellow dog Dem and I won't support bad legislation regardless of who proposes it. Frankly, I'm horrified that we have a majority and THIS is how we choose to spend our political capital.


...and if I ever talk to Boner, I WILL pass along your message, because I generally agree with the sentiment.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 01:03 AM
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15. The fact that you'd "loved" to see something happen,
Doesn't make anything happen. sorry. :shrug:
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 01:08 AM
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16. You're right. Nobody proposed good green energy legislation.
...and I take full responsibility for my failure to write an intelligent, comprehensive energy bill.

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 01:41 AM
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20. Do you even know what's in the bill?
Have a read of a summary:

http://www.grist.org/article/2009-06-03-waxman-markey-bill-breakdown

Might change some of your thoughts on the matter.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 02:22 AM
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22. Good link. Thanks.
Whats up with the cap and trade system, where when they go over their credits, they merely pay double. That doesn't seem like a cap. It sort of reverts to a ceiling-less carbon tax after a while allowing companies to pollute insofar as it remains profitable to do so. Whats the deal with that?

Im not a huge fan of the offset purchases. Corrupted businesses will corruptly funnel money to buddy corporations to extend their ability to pollute. This could get really hairy.

I like the idea of a simple cap and trade, where cap means cap and you don't allow people to get around it all so easily.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 06:55 AM
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28. Yes, and here's another view of the issues:
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 07:26 AM
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32. The WSJ ed page?
Wow. That's where I go for cues on things political.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 07:34 AM
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33. Complete with an analysis from the HERITAGE FOUNDATION.
I'm stunned.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 01:12 PM
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40. Yeah, them, the wapo and freakin'
john boner.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 09:17 PM
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42. What allegations do they make that you disagree with?
Forget the source for a moment...deal with the content.
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 08:09 AM
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37. I do, too.
There's a reason why this bill was rammed through so fast, even though the climate isn't doing to cease its existence within the next 2-4 weeks. This is about government revenue, and the polluters would pass the costs on to us. In the end, this would be the same as a regressive tax increase with little or no measurable effect on the environment.

I never thought I'd agree with Boner the bonehead, but he's actually right about something. Biggest miracle since Scalia got Kelo v. New London right.
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 12:35 AM
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10. Earth to Taylor: This isn't about YOU, you fvcking repuke. Nobody cares if you keep your job.
If you're going to pretend to be a Dem, we might as well have a real repuke who isn't still in the closet like a spineless coward. :mad:

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 01:21 AM
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18. Mississippi will be battered by increased number of hurricanes and rising sea levels
What will Rep. Taylor say then?
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 03:45 AM
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24. Bookmarking this response so I can use it to shove Climate Change in the face of teh deniers, BUT
wondering what the time-frame is?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 04:26 AM
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25. Here is a link to what is predicted for the Souheast
Southeast annual average temperature has risen 2°F since 1970, with the greatest seasonal increase in the winter months. There has been a 30 percent increase in fall precipitation over most of the region but a decrease in fall precipitation in South Florida. Summer precipitation has decreased over almost the entire region. The percentage of the Southeast in moderate to severe drought increased over the past three decades. There has been an increase in heavy downpours. The power of Atlantic hurricanes has increased since 1970, associated with an increase in sea surface temperature.

Continued warming is projected, with the greatest temperature increases in summer. The number of very hot days is projected to rise at a faster rate than average temperatures. Average annual temperatures are projected to rise 4.5°F under a lower emissions scenario and 9°F under a higher emissions scenario with a 10.5°F increase in summer and a much higher heat index. (See the full report for information on the emissions scenarios.) Sea-level rise is projected to accelerate, increasing coastal inundation and shoreline retreat. The intensity of hurricanes is likely to increase, with higher wind speeds, rainfall intensity, and storm surge height and strength.

http://globalchange.gov/publications/reports/scientific-assessments/us-impacts/regional-climate-change-impacts/southeast
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 04:32 AM
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27. Ask his constituents
It's not his fault they're mostly flat earth Republicans...
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 07:14 AM
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30. I don't like his vote on this bill or his public rebuke of the Dem leadership.
That being said...

Taylor represents a conservative district in the deep south and his constituency generally reflects that culture. Even still, he managed a 75% ADA rating. Not perfect but better than the alternative, eh?
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 07:19 AM
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31. The sainted Dennis Kucinich also voted against this bill
Yet while the Purity Police are baying for the blood of the Blue Dog Dems in this thread, there are several more threads elsewhere on DU full of the usual DK worship for being the One True Dem.

:shrug:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 07:46 AM
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34. LOL! It always comes back to bite them
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 01:04 PM
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39. Here's Kucinich's reasons:
“I oppose H.R. 2454, the American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009. The reason is simple. It won’t address the problem. In fact, it might make the problem worse.

“It sets targets that are too weak, especially in the short term, and sets about meeting those targets through Enron-style accounting methods. It gives new life to one of the primary sources of the problem that should be on its way out– coal – by giving it record subsidies. And it is rounded out with massive corporate giveaways at taxpayer expense. There is $60 billion for a single technology which may or may not work, but which enables coal power plants to keep warming the planet at least another 20 years.

“Worse, the bill locks us into a framework that will fail. Science tells us that immediately is not soon enough to begin repairing the planet. Waiting another decade or more will virtually guarantee catastrophic levels of warming. But the bill does not require any greenhouse gas reductions beyond current levels until 2030.

http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/10478

It's not really unclear as to his reasoning, and it's not at all the same as the Blue Dogs'.
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sisters6 Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 02:36 PM
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41. Waxman exempted over a 100 large coal plants--at the last
minute --to get some to sign on. That is reason enough to oppose this bill.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 07:50 AM
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35. I was puzzled by all the excitement of getting this passed in the House
because it doesn't have a prayer in the Senate. Given the numbers in the House I expect it'll end up being voted down by an embarrassing margin in the Senate unless some of the Republican-lites somehow get religion over the summer break. (FYI, I'm not agreeing with Boner that it's a pile of shit.)
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 07:52 AM
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36. I get the anger over not so progressive Dems but purging the ranks is something Repubs do
Its worked out so wonderful for them, hasn't it?

Lets face it, the blue dogs in the House are only there because they are the only people who could get elected in certain districts. The alternative is an even worse Rethug.
The Senate I think we can hold them to a higher standard as they were elected with votes from the whole state.
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