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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 09:01 AM
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Is Obama Selling Out the Iranian Revolution?
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Is Obama Selling Out the Iranian Revolution?
By Jacob Heilbrunn - June 19, 2009

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Clearly Obama was caught flatfooted by the protests. But he does seem to be carefully ratcheting up his criticisms of the mullahs. In a Tuesday interview with CNBC, Obama said that when, "you've got 100,000 people who are out on the streets peacefully protesting, and they're having to be scattered through violence and gunshots, what that tells me is the Iranian people are not convinced of the legitimacy of the election. And my hope is that the regime respond not with violence, but with a recognition that the universal principles of peaceful expression and democracy are ones that should be affirmed." Even that mild reproof was enough to send the Iranian leadership into conniptions, as the Washington Post's Thomas Erdbrink reports today.

If Wolfowitz seeks to exhort Obama to take a more forceful stand, Krauthammer lashes into him as a pathetic wimp who is missing the chance to alter history, or least put himself on the right side of it. He sees a new domino effect in the region. Peace and freedom can bloom overnight: "Now, with Hezbollah having lost elections in Lebanon and with Iraq establishing the institutions of a young democracy, the fall of the Islamist dictatorship in Iran would have an electric and contagious effect. The exception--Iraq and Lebanon--becomes the rule. Democracy becomes the wave. Syria becomes isolated; Hezbollah and Hamas, patronless. The entire trajectory of the region is reversed. All hangs in the balance."

This is, of course, a pleasant fantasy. It is essentially no different from the one that the neocons peddled on the eve of the Iraq War. Just as the war was supposed to topple dicatorships in the Middle East, so Obama's support for the demonstrators would, somehow, usher in the end of the age of tyranny. But even a moderate Iran would not be an unflinching ally of Washington's. Instead, it would follow its national interests. Ever since the Shah's days, Iran has had a nuclear program.

Ultimately, Krauthammer's belligerence rests on the bogus assumption that America can by itself steer events in Iran as it wishes. If only Obama will demonstrate more support for the demonstrators, then all will be well. Krauthammer ascribes an omnipotence to America that it does not possess.

The truth is that the impressive thing has been how well Obama has handled the crisis. Again and again, Obama was pounded for his lack of experience during the 2008 election campaign. But imagine if John McCain were president? The mullahs would not be in the predicament they are. Instead, they could point to the demonstrators as American stooges. The uprising would have been quashed before it ever began. His basic approach has been to follow the foreign policy equivalent of the Hippocratic Oath: "First, do no harm." Imagine the obloquy that would greet Obama if he were to champion the demonstrators and help to create a bloodbath, as Radio Free Europe did during the 1956 Hungarian revolution, when it encouraged Hungarians to revolt by assuring them that they had backing of the West, which they didn't. So far, Obama has shrewdly hewed to a middle course that allows him some flexibility in dealing with Iran.

For no one truly knows where Iran is headed. It could lurch into civil war, a violent crackdown, or the regime could crumble. But with Khamenei denouncing the demonstrators in his Friday address, Iran is turbulent enough without Obama piling on. Obama doesn't deserve criticism, but plaudits for his statesmanship.

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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 09:03 AM
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1. no. he has no influence here. he already owns 2 wars, don't need a third nt
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 09:07 AM
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2. No kidding. nt
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 09:45 AM
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6. I agree. Let the Iranians work it out. We have meddled to much in their business historically.
Edited on Fri Jun-19-09 09:47 AM by avaistheone1
Obama is handling this issue very well.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 10:14 AM
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9. I think so too, we need to out of this but the UK isn't.
Edited on Fri Jun-19-09 10:16 AM by bdamomma
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 07:28 PM
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18. Yes, Obama is our president and
he's doing his best to get us out of the mess bush left.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 09:11 AM
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3. Who says it's a revolution?
Americans would like that, but there's little indication, as far as I've seen or read, that the protestors want to change their system of government. They just want the guy they elected to be given his due. They're using their system as it exists to ask for justice.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 11:20 AM
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15. well of course
One must also keep in mind that this is a movement for greater freedom, democracy, human rights and for less corruption. But it is NOT a movement to overthrow the Islamic Republic. It would be a very small minority point of view that would have that agenda even if a larger - but still a minority would privately wish for that. Even those who would ideally want to replace the Islamic Republic with a more secularized system realize that seriously attempting to carry out such an agenda would almost certainly mean civil war with a lot of bloodshed and a most uncertain outcome.

Furthermore, nothing, absolutely nothing would harm the reform and democracy elements more in Iran than for them to be seen as stooges for the United States.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 09:15 AM
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4. Sometimes the loudest sound is the sound of silence


A concept too sophisticated for neadrathals now costumed as neo cons.



A great Republican President, also a nobel peace prize winner, Teddy Roosevelt said, "Speak Softly and carry a big stick".


Sometimes speaking softly is the big stick.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 09:23 AM
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5. Obama's doing just fine
Iranian expatriate observers are saying that Obama is right to take a low-key neutral stance.

They say that any forceful statement or action of any kind by America right now will be seized upon by Ahmadinejad to stir up anti-American feelings again. Bush's saber-rattling and "axis of evil" idiocy is still fresh in their minds.

The best course of action for America at this time is to wait and watch.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 09:57 AM
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7. Obama's doing exactly the right thing.
After CIA interference with Mossaddeq and the '79 revolution, the U.S. government needs to be strictly hands-off with this. This is an Iranian conflict, and should be resolved by Iranians. Any attempts for the U.S. government to alter the results will be seen as meddling and result in yet more blowback for us.

Obama's well within his right to make statements against the violence down there, and has, but he damned well should not make the appearance of taking sides - the minute he says something like "GO MOUSAVI!", Khamenei and Imadinnerjacket will both start howling that the Great Satan Americans are helping him.

Obama's smarter than to let the U.S. be used as a political football in Iran, that's why he's been keeping quiet. He's doing the right thing. It's frustrating in that doing the right thing means doing nothing, but those are the cards on the table.
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 10:11 AM
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8. Obama more than makes up for his lack of experience with his superior ethics and common sense.
Edited on Fri Jun-19-09 10:11 AM by invictus
His whole approach to government has been a Hippocratic Oath of "First, do no harm." Unlike the Bush-Cheney administration.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 10:16 AM
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10. We need to invade Iran and take over and set up a million Exxon stations
They got surfin' too....


:sarcasm:

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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 10:29 AM
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11. The House is making a bipartisan resolution to express their support for the people
Edited on Fri Jun-19-09 10:32 AM by jenmito
of Iran and to condemn the violence by the govt. of Iran. Of course the Dems. are going along with it. Rep. Pence is cosponsoring it with the "Democrat" Chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee. :eyes:
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Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 11:06 AM
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12. STF out of Irans affairs. period.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 11:11 AM
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13. What revolution? In 1979 they threw a way a secular
system where women were free to work outside the home, to dress as they wished and to be their own "owners."

The chose a theocratic system where any one promoting anything resembling secularism was executed, and where women were sent home, to wear the misshapen black chador and to do what their masters told them to do. Mousavi is just another side of the coin, with less threats.

If they want change, they have to throw away the mullahs.


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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 11:18 AM
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14. An autocratic secular system...
imposed on them by the United States to replace a progressive secular one that they crafted for themselves.

Yes, I, too, think that the theocracy they have now is not the best choice, but Iran's future needs to be decided by Iranians. No matter how badly we think they're screwing it up, we've already screwed it up worse.

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Stardust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 11:51 AM
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16. Maybe Obama is aware of the Mousavi/Iran-countra connection...
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=54948

Mir-Hossein Mousavi's Iran/Contra Connection?
Reza Fiyouzat, Revolutionary Flowerpot Society

June 8, 2009

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What do Michael Ledeen (the American 'neo-conservative'), Mir-Hossein Mousavi (the Iranian presidential candidate of 'chagne') and Adnan Khashoggi (the opulent Saudi Arabian jet-setter) have in common?

They are all good friends and associates of Manuchehr Ghorbanifar (an Iranian arms merchant, an alleged MOSSAD double agent, and a key figure in the Iran/Contra Affair, the arms-for-hostages deals between Iran and the Reagan administration). In one or two, at most three, degrees of separation, these people hung out in the same circles and very likely drank to the same toasts.



Mousavi is not the savior many here on DU (and neo-cons) have pronounced him to be. There's a reason the right-wingnuts have embraced him, and it isn't because he represents hope for the Iranians.


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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 02:45 PM
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17. HAL-LO! Amis are so NOT up-to-speed here.
Of course, not recognizing HOW BEHIND THE CURVE they are, their arrogant mouths are shooting off like cannons... :eyes:
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