Did anyone hear Ed Shultz's radio show today?

[Frustratedlady]

He was talking about Cheney and how he believed that Cheney did want the US to be attacked again, that he was evil, power hungry, a liar, etc., and wanted other opinions. He ranted for quite a while about his appearance on Morning Joe's show today and how Joe was shocked he would come right out and say that about Cheney.

A guy called in and agreed with everything Ed was saying, then mentioned that Cheney had stated the same thing in some study or paper from 1998. I didn't catch the name of the reference. He said that Cheney had stated the US needed another Pearl Harbor to bring people together again...to fight another war...something about Mideast oil.

Does anyone know what that was about? It was some Neocon plan or study. I was so shocked, I didn't catch it all.

[Bluzmann57]

1. Likely PNAC

Project for a new American Century, in which the authors said that another Pearl Harbor type event was needed. And they got their wish on 9/11/01. They can't have it again. Bastards.

[Frustratedlady]

5. Thank you for your quick response. Why would anyone ever come up with such an idea?

They are such evil people, I can't even imagine how deep their evil goes.

Thanks!

[italiangirl]

14. Evil Cheney

Cheney is so frigging evil, the devil doesn't even want him in his hell and we are stuck with him. \
Go ED, Thank you for your patriotism.

[ellacott]

2. It was a statement made by the Project for a New American Century

PNAC
That's the group that Cheney, Wolfowitz, Bill Kristol were a part of. The neocons.

[Bozita]

3. PNAC? Project for a New American Century?

I didn't listen to Ed today.

[Beaverhausen]

4. That's not just a guy, that's Jack Rice, former CIA

scary shit he's talking about.

[Frustratedlady]

7. Shows how good my memory is, I thought his name was Dave.

Is Jack Rice the guy that was on Ed or Tweety's show last night? Former CIA agent? Are you saying he is just trying to scare us or is he telling the truth? I've gotten to the point where I don't know who to believe anymore. It's so involved and goes back so many years.

[O is 44]

6. Good for Ed for speaking the truth...

More Dems should do the same. How a person who allowed 9/11 to happen on his watch has any right telling the new administration they are making us less safe is beyond me. This should be thrown right back at him.

[greyl]

8. PNAC report and much more info here:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

http://www.911myths.com/html/new_pearl_harbour.html

[Frustratedlady]

9. Thank you very much. I had never seen those.

I will spend some time perusing those documents. That second one is especially scary. I had no idea.

[Doctor_J]

10. Yes, the original PNAC called for a new Pearl Harbor to jump start

an effort to take over the world. 9/11/01 was part of Smirk's trifecta for funneling billions of tax dollars to his pals. It was also a perfect catalyst for Dr. Evil's plan for global domination

[bdamomma]

11. didn't the PNAC change their name so they are still out there

and does anyone wonder where certain people are like Negroponte, and his band of thugs.

[zulchzulu]

17. PNAC is now called Foreign Policy Initiative (FPI)

Same cast of characters...

http://www.foreignpolicyi.org/

[lunatica]

12. Hopefully you can see the people who signed off on PNAC

[rasputin1952]

13. Cheney wants to vindicate himself and the former administration...

he has no sense of morality, and while I am not a psychologist, I would say he shows some pretty hefty signs of being a sociopath...the most obvious being that he has zero empathy. he would accept, if not actually enjoy the death and maiming of American citizens, just to "prove the point" he was right.

PNAC came up w/the "Patriot Act" giving unprecedented power to Federal individuals and entities. This tricked sown to state and local levels, to the point where it has become the "norm" that citizens are considered "terrorists", even when they have shown no penchant for any type of criminal behavior. The power of law enforcement has skyrocketed to the level to where everyone is suspect...and yet people like von Brunn, w/a long record of seriously nasty behavior is overlooked.

This is all about control over the citizen, to the point where we become a totalitarian state, controlled by people who think like Cheney, and demand that everyone else conform to their point of view, or be tossed into jail w/o charges or due process.

This happens all of the time, RICO was expanded to affect virtually every aspect of our lives. The latest thing around here is to tack on the charge, "terroristic threat", which covers so much ground, it is almost impossible to defend one's self of the charge. There was an incident here where a ticket was issued for failure to stop at a stop sign, the "perpetrator" told the cop to "fuck off", and was hauled off to jail for a "terroristic threat to a law enforcement official". it became a legal nightmare for the individual. He wanted a jury trial, but the initial charge didn't warrant a jury trial, but the "terroristic threat" was in limbo as to a jury trial. His employer fired him, because of the second charge, considering the individual to be a "risk" in the workplace, which opened up a civil trial costing the man considerably in both time and money. The whole thing was so ugly, the DA dropped the charges, and the judge ordered that the "terrorist" charge be expunged from the mans record, but the whole thing had been sent to Homeland Security under the Terrorist Surveillance Act. Now, the guy is on a "watch list", and it pops up from time to time when a background check is initiated for work.

This is precisely what eh neo-cons wanted...a way to destroy lives and "make" people conform to their line of reasoning...naturally, they have become the terrorists, terrorizing American citizens. The Constitution means nothing to these people...all they want is unlimited power over the American citizenry.

If more Americans "have to die" so this power is consolidated...for Cheney and his ilk,that is just fine.

[Frustratedlady]

15. That is an interesting story of how Homeland Security can ruin a person's life...

All because of two words?

You said, "This is precisely what eh neo-cons wanted...a way to destroy lives and "make" people conform to their line of reasoning...naturally, they have become the terrorists, terrorizing American citizens. The Constitution means nothing to these people...all they want is unlimited power over the American citizenry."

I remember back when they brought out their new rules under the Patriot Act/HS and how concerned we all were about how this COULD affect each of us under the wrong situation or circumstances. That story shows how a simple traffic charge can trickle down to near ruination of a person's livelihood. I'm sure a lot of young men have been particularly affected when their temper took over their better judgment. Add to that a law enforcement officer with a hot temper and/or macho attitude.

As for the PNAC and their authors, I'm afraid the taste of power is more delicious and important for them than the freedom of our citizens. Surely, some of the old school will be "leaving" us within the next couple years, but their "seeds" remain to carry out their dirty work. This is more involved than I realized.

Thanks!

Will we ever get back to where we were before Bush/Cheney?

[rasputin1952]

18. 'Will we ever get back to where we were before Bush/Cheney?"

I don't think so. No one likes to give up power, including President Obama...:(

Thing is, once this stuff got underway, it is almost impossible to rid the nation of it.

Our information is in so many places, we cannot possibly return to "normal".

Thing about the RW is that always need an enemy. Conservatives exist through fera...basically the fear of change. it was the blacks, the hispanics, the communists, (oddly not the nazi's, they could not bring themselves to side w/FDR), the terrorists, back to the blacks and hispanics, abortion providers, evolutionists, climate warners...they even blame "witches and satan" for the carnage they themselves have brought upon the nation.

All they have is fear, and fear is powerful stuff. People have been scared so long, they think it is normal...:(

[zulchzulu]

16. Not a new story... and here's a link to the PDF

Section V of Rebuilding America's Defenses, entitled "Creating Tomorrow's Dominant Force", includes the sentence: "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor"...

The PDF in all its glory:
http://www.awolcowboy.com/media/PNAC.pdf

The reference is on page 63.

[Cha]

19. So Leon had to back down

but Ed won't have to.

[butterfly77]

20. Scarbourough was suppose to be on Ed's show...

yesterday and from what I saw he didn't show up, does anyone know what happen. I'm thinking he didn't show up because he would have to go head to head with Ed and ed won't back down when he starts talking his shit. Scar doesn't like it when he is not in control and he has to deal with someone who won't let him get away with the bull.