Bill Maher is a clueless self-important Hollywood elite dog-blowing twit asshole nazi stooge

[jgraz]

And last Friday night, that clueless self-important Hollywood elite dog-blowing twit asshole nazi stooge spoke the truth.

[dionysus]

1. obama should be like bush? nah, maher's a fucking joke...

if you take the opinion of comedians and infotainers as gospel, there's a problem.
:rofl:

[jgraz]

Yes, that's the millimeter-deep view

Listen a little closer and you'll see that Maher was using ironic juxtaposition to make an important point: why is it that a barely-housebroken, unlettered, sociopathic moron could bulldoze through any policy he wanted while our shiny new Harvard-educated constitutional scholar best-public-speaker-since-MLK president seems content to nibble around the edges?

Why is that?

[dionysus]

8. quick answer: Obama's not breaking every law in the book.

[jgraz]

14. You just added another millimeter.

Well, maybe half of one. Keep digging -- we'll wait.

[dionysus]

17. nah, i'll just sit back and watch you pointlessly fume.

[jgraz]

21. You seem to have perfected the "sitting back" part.

[roguevalley]

79. Obama's desire for bipartisanship is never going to work and he

needs to bulldoze good legislation through instead of wasting everyone's time hoping for something he can never have: repig cooperation.

[jgraz]

83. It does serve as a great cover, though

Don't feel like challenging entrenched corporate interests? Just blame those mean ol' Republicans.

We've seen this kabuki dance before.

[zulchzulu]

2. We want Instant Gratification... and we want it NOW!

Presto! Change-O!

We want Instant Gratification. If not now, when?

:puke:

[NJmaverick]

3. OMG!

:spray:

[jgraz]

7. Apparently, hero-worship gives you all the gratification you need

Now put down the hand lotion and join the rest of us in this little thing we call "participatory democracy".

[dionysus]

10. hand lotion? can you at least throw a messiah or two in there to *really* sounbd bitter?

[jgraz]

13. Yeah, because the constant, sarcastic "pony" responses don't sound bitter at all

:eyes:

[dionysus]

15. well obviously you didn't get YOUR pony. mine came in the mail last week.

[jgraz]

26. See, that wasn't bitter at all.

[zulchzulu]

34. Whine goes great with a big bowl of Instant Gratification

Delusion and Cluelessness about how government works make wonderful side dishes.

:crazy:

[jgraz]

37. Put on a new record. This one is pretty stale.

And please retire the pathetic DLC Blue Dog New Democrat Milquetoast talking point about "how government works". We heard that all through the Clinton years and nobody's buying it anymore.

[zulchzulu]

63. So does the President just enact laws without the Senate or Congress?

I didn't get the memo that the President has the powers of a monarchist King. Can ya supply me with the link?

[jgraz]

71. Yes, that's exactly the most ridiculous interpretation of what I said

Congrats -- you're still batting 1000.

[FrenchieCat]

4. What did he say?

Didn't see it, but I heard that he said that Obama was chicken shit and should be more like Georgie. I Also heard that he said that Obama campaigned on Single Payer, or something like that, and then Maher compared the President to celebrity Lindsey Lohan whose face is always on television, but who has doesn't shit to date (paraphrasing).

If that's the truth as you see it, then I will respectfully disagree.....cause those items above are all lies.

This is not what I voted for," Maher said. “I don’t want my president to be a TV star.”

Maher criticized Obama's constant television coverage ("I get it: you love being on TV") and said the president should focus on fixing the nation's problems instead.

"You don't have to be on television every minute of every day -- you're the president, not a rerun of 'Law & Order,'" Maher said. “TV stars are too worried bout being popular and too concerned about being renewed."

Maher continued: "You're skinny and in a hurry and in love with a nice lady -- but so is Lindsay Lohan. And just like Lindsay, we see your name in the paper a lot but we're kind of wondering when you’re actually going to do something.”

Maher added that Obama's presidential rival John McCain was right to say Obama acted like a celebrity and, amazingly for Maher, the comedian suggested Obama needs to act more like his predecessor.

“I never thought I’d say this, what needs in his personality is a little George Bush.”
http://www.thrfeed.com/bill-maher-obama-obsessed-with-being-on-tv.html

Sounds like a bunch of shit to me.....

[jgraz]

9. The tv coverage bit was weak sauce. The rest of it made a very important point

And it's the point we've been making about Democrats for years: stop playing nice. The vast majority of the population either agrees with Obama or wants him to be even more to the left. It's time to stop consensus-building and start using the power we gave him.

[tekisui]

16. We need him to stand up and be a strong leader.

[FrenchieCat]

18. Just because you believe that it is true

doesn't make it so.

Barack Obama didn't win kicking ass, he won kicking minds.

As for what will be in the next 3 1/2 years, time will tell,
not Bill Maher.

PS. Please note that Maher can believe what he wants,
and I can choose not to watch his show.

I also disagree with his views on religion, on what women are good for,
and about marriage and children.

In otherwords, Bill Maher doesn't impress me.

[jgraz]

25. We could say the same thing about every poster here

That's why we call it "opinion".

We all have opinions on why Obama won -- there were a lot of reasons (not being Hillary Clinton or John McCain had a lot to do with it). Most of us on the left supported him with the express intention to drag him out of the center once he got elected.

[Cha]

maher can fuck off..he gets on tv and all he

has to offer up is complete shit.

[FrenchieCat]

5. Did you mention that he's a little guy with a great big head who thinks he's a playboy....

but is nothing but a misogynist? :shrug:

[jgraz]

11. And that changes the meaning of his words ... how?

Personal attacks on the messenger do nothing to support your position.

[FrenchieCat]

20. You OP is all about Bill Maher.

and so, I can weigh in......I think.

[jgraz]

22. No, it's really not.

[FrenchieCat]

24. I repeat, Your OP was about Maher and what he said, and how you agree with it.

If you wanted to say more, you should have.

[jgraz]

27. No, it was about DU and the tendency to attack personalities instead of substance

Maher is just the latest actor in this little skit.

[FrenchieCat]

30. Sorry, I don't read between the unwritten lines!

I understand the part about Maher being denigrated sarcastically in your op. I just don't agree with Obama being denigrated by Maher.

But I'm sure if Maher can dish it out, he can also take it. So all must be well in the end.

[jgraz]

33. I'm sure Bill Maher doesn't give a shit what we say on DU

But I like his technique: he takes his statements just a little (or a lot) too far, and ends up pulling a lot of people in his direction.

[FrenchieCat]

40. Well, you can believe that he is a genius......

after all, as a celebrity, he is allowed to have some worshipers! :rofl:

[jgraz]

44. He's neither a genius nor a stupid nazi scumbag

And I'm sure you understand how agreeing with a public figure does not always mean "hero worship".

[FrenchieCat]

46. I wish you would understand that......

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8474183&mesg_id=8474211

[jgraz]

48. I understand it perfectly

Agreement with a public figure does not necessarily mean hero worship.

On the other hand, hero worship of a public figure usually does. Those posters rarely agree or disagree with anyone on substance; they just attack the messenger. In their case, the "hero worship" designation is well-earned.

[FrenchieCat]

51. I disagree with your "do as I say and not as I do" way of seeing things.

You are allowing yourself subjective latitude while denying it to others.

If you believe that agreement with a public figure does not necessarily mean hero worship, and
then call others hero worshipers, I think you are standing on shaky ground.

[jgraz]

55. I'm comfortable with my position

If you claim hero-worship (or anything, for that matter), be prepared to support that claim.

I've never been a huge fan of Maher, but I sometimes like the way he frames the issues.

[kenny blankenship]

6. I hated how he said he wanted Obama to have more confidence and audacity in pushing Obama's agenda.

That annoyed the piss out of me.

[salguine]

23. I loved it.

[jgraz]

28. Yeah, that was the most important part

We've all been saying it about Democrats for years. Now that they have unprecedented power and popularity, it's time to make things happen.

[Raffi Ella]

78. EXACTLY

If not now -when we own the White House- then WHEN?

[kenny blankenship]

64. Well I for one am perfectly content w/ our President's timidity & deference before entrenched power

You hotheads can just go steam your own buns.

[incapsulated]

43. That bastard! He killed Kenny!

No wait, you are still here. :P

[tularetom]

12. I don't know if he spoke the truth or not but his show sucks

He let that vapid asshole PJ O'Rourke simply take over his panel last week. Once again Maher shows his fear of talking back to a right winger. It's a familiar pattern, it happens almost every week. Maher can say what he wants about Obama, I don't care about that, but he should stand up to the douchebags he invites on the show.

And that particular douchebag should never be asked back. He didn't contribute one thing to the discussion, just kept interrupting everybody with cutesy remarks. Just another rich republican trust fund baby like bow tie boy.

On second thought I don't really give a fuck. Maher can have whoever he wants on his show, I just won't be watching it anymore.

[jgraz]

19. I'm with you there. O'Rourke sucks.

I know Maher wants to appear balanced, but there are enough right-wing assholes on the air already.

I guess that's why they make a fast-forward button.

[themaguffin]

29. oh jesus, spare us the contrived whining please

[jgraz]

31. "Hide Thread" is your friend

That way, you only have to read the contrived whining that supports Obama.

[nini]

32. the problem I have with what Maher said

is Bush abused his power, he lied, he ignored the distinction of the different branches of government etc..


I don't want a dictator regardless of what side he's on.

[jgraz]

35. I think he was clear in his condemnation of Bush's abuse of power

That's not the point. He's saying Bush's cowboy attitude actually got him his way more often than not. He just wants Obama to stop playing nice before his political capital runs out.

Of course, if he just said that, nobody would pay attention.

[nini]

41. I think it is the point.. his cowboy attitude was his abuse of power

Bush acted like a petulant child and abused our system to the point of almost breaking us. I understand why he said what he did and my emotion feels the same way - I am impatient to see all of this fixed and now. I also believe things can be done by not being a total dickhead and abusing our system.

I agree with the frustration - I just don't want abuse like we had it.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

45. There are perfectly legal and ethical ways of putting these asshole

republicans in their place. Nobody is advocating any abuses of the system. You're disagreeing with something that's not even being said. The republicans are at their lowest position in decades if now is not the time to push our agenda. When is it? He doesn't have to eavesdrop on them or torture anyone to get things done and put them on the defensive for a change. Every single one of their ideas is bankrupt both figuratively and literally. If he needs to remind the country of that every time he opens his mouth so be it.

Shit, if he wants health care reform for example. Why not start at a more "extreme" point scare the shit out of the repukes then get the "compromise" he wanted in the first place. There's nothing abusive about that. It's politics.

[jgraz]

49. What you said.

:thumbsup:

[nini]

67. I agree with you in theory

I also cannot ignore how that fucking cowboy got his agenda pushed so any comparison to him brings up the lies and illegalities in my reaction.

If I had my way republicans would be banished from the planet.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

68. OK I think up to a certain point (and I'm not pretending to speak for you) we're

all still traumatized by the rape of this nation and really the world by the bush Crime Family. It was a long ass 8 years.
I just took Maher's comments as tongue in cheek.

[nini]

74. that's pretty much it

It's like being an abused child - hard to forget the hell we went through.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

75. .

:hug:

[nini]

91. thanks

btw: love the guy in your sig line :-)

[fujiyama]

36. Maher can be a pompous ass hole at times

but his rants can be amusing and there's a shred of truth in what he says.

He doesn't have all the facts in place, but he had a point in that Obama shouldn't settle for crappy legislation and call a weak compromise "reform".

But Maher also doesn't understand political reality and lives in a little Hollywood bubble of his own.

[peequod]

38. In a nutshell, Bill said: let's see a little more audacity, a little less hope

Obama needs to realize he is in fully in power, he needs to stop worrying about reelection for a second, and he needs to strike like Thor while the iron is hot on many issues dear to Democrats. This is a message I completely agree with (I get your irony jgraz).

[Raffi Ella]

82. well said!

welcome to D.U. :7

[nichomachus]

39. These are times

that not only allow for, but almost require, bold, decisive, outside the box moves. This is what FDR did.

Obama is instead working with the same paradigm that created the mess we're in, playing by the same rules, and staying close to the agenda of the corporations. That is what Herbert Hoover did.

All I saw Maher doing was asking Obama to take his good ideas -- the ones we heard in the campaign -- and put a little audacity behind them. He has a window of opportunity to act boldly. He has a lot of goodwill and support. That will erode over time. So, he needs to act quickly. He's not doing that. He's too calculating by half. He could be another Hoover.,

[wroberts189]

42. And sometimes he is very funny as well. nt

[bvar22]

47. "The Audacity of Hope part is over.

Right now, I'm hoping for a little more audacity."----Bill Maher

I agree with Bill.

[jgraz]

50. Well, you're clearly clueless self-important Hollywood elite dog-blowing twit asshole nazi stooge

Welcome to the club. :D

[Starry Messenger]

52. That's just dying for an acronym.

:D

CSIHEDBTANS unite! :toast:

[jgraz]

56. Hey, it's almost pronounceable.

[damntexdem]

53. Yeah, I like Maher, too!

I don't always agree with him -- but how could anyone? Even Maher?

[mitchum]

54. I agree with you and Maher; he does need to be more forceful like bush or LBJ

[grantcart]

57. Lawrence O Donnell just demolished Maher's argument on MSNBC

His argument was that Bush didn't jam anything threw at all. Congress passed what it wanted.

It wanted to be found supportive of the war it voted for the war.

It wanted to pass deficits, it passed it.

When Bush made revamping social security his #1 priority in his second term, he couldn't even get hearings on it.

When Clinton tried to ram through a health bill, they didn't get a single page passed.

Obama knows that if he is going to get anything passed he has to persuade Congress, 'jamming' gets headlines but it doesn't get anything actually passed.








editd to correct typo

[jgraz]

58. Interesting. Can't wait to see the video on that

O'Donnell usually has some good points, but he's been a bit too cautious for me in the past. I'll check back when/if the vid gets posted here.

[grantcart]

59. yes please let me know your opinion after you see the video

it was a particularly strong effort by O'Donnell.

[jgraz]

61. Does he ever have any other kind of effort?

I don't always agree with him, but the dude always shows up ready for a fight. Gotta love that.

[ChiciB1]

60. TRUE TO POWER!! Bill Maher Told The Truth... Obama Is Letting Us Down!!!

You know, shit or GET OFF THE POT!!

[jgraz]

62. OK, a bit over the top, but you get points for spirit

The scary part is, we won't be sure if he's letting us down until he actually lets us down. At that point, it will be too late.

I'd rather be loud now and pleasantly surprised later.

[latebloomer]

65. Phew! Thank you!

Now if I can get the smoke to stop blowing out of my ears.

Actually I don't agree that Maher is a Nazi stooge and all the rest.

He's far from perfect, but he is often very funny and he speaks the truth more than 98% of the doofuses who have air time. And he spoke it last Friday night, although I wish he'd included the continued "war on terror", the continued disappearance of civil rights, and the lack of support for gays.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

66. Come on now.

Does he really blow dogs? Or did you mean "blow up" dogs. Either way I'm against it. :evilgrin:

[thelordofhell]

69. Good thing he didn't do a commentary about A-Rod having sex in a dugout

Then he REALLY would be in trouble.

:yoiks:

[jgraz]

70. I hear Willow Palin supports single-payer

:hide:

[AtomicKitten]

72. I watch Bill Maher religiously as I do Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow.

Agreeing with people 100% of the time isn't a criteria for me. I watch them because they occasionally have moments of sheer brilliance. I don't agree with his shots at celebrity and suggesting Obama emulate his predecessor, but I have no problem with anybody applying a respectful cattle prod to Obama to nudge him along. I hope I haven't thrown a monkey wrench into your one size fits all opinion critique.

[jgraz]

73. We're in 100% agreement on this

All I'm objecting to is the "with us or agin' us" approach. We should be a bit more nuanced on the left.

[AtomicKitten]

76. He did a great job smacking down P.J. O'Rourke's crack about socialism.

I heart pie charts.

[jgraz]

77. Did he? The minute I saw O'Jerk walk out, I hit fast-forward

It's almost impossible to have a meaningful debate with that blowhard on the stage.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

80. The lady's right. He hit 'im up with the pie chart a couple of times. But still I

find it inexplicable that anyone would find anything that RW douche says funny. Apparently Maher thinks he's hilarious though.

[jgraz]

84. Shit. Now I'm gonna have to go back and watch that blowhole.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

85. To be honest you didn't miss much. Maher did laugh hysterically through most of the

segment and did let him get away with repeating the same dumb ass one-liner.

[jgraz]

86. What the fuck? It's like Bill's had the asswipe-detector excised from his brain

I don't get his love for TalibAnn Coulter either.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

87. The Coulter thing, my only guess is he hit that......

:puke: :puke: ...... Ahhh sorry. I don't know I guess he thinks he has to be "fair and balanced". he still takes some of the best shots I've seen people on TV take at repubes though.

[jgraz]

88. And, I'm done with my lunch

Thanks for that... :puke:

[Raffi Ella]

81. He sure as hell did.

Bill Maher spoke for me.

President Obama is playing the celebrity and riding the fence- Nows the time the time is now: Make a stand or you'll end up standing for nothing President Obama.

[sakabatou]

89. Might want to tone it down

Otherwise your argument will be thrown out with Godwin's Law.

[jgraz]

90. You get the part where I'm kidding, right?

:shrug: