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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 08:48 PM
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Dear Bill Maher - Obama should not be more like Bush
Maher's argument on Olbermann tonight is that it was Bush's ideas that caused him to fail as a president and not his tactics. His tactics allowed him to successfully push legislation that he wanted such as tax cuts and a war in Iraq. Thus, Obama should adopt Bush's tactics if he wants to have similar success with progressive ideas.

However, this is a bad idea for several reasons:

1. Bush's tactics included things like
(a) ignoring the constitution,
(b) politicizing the Justice Department,
(c) using signing statements and recess appointments,
(d) intimidating dissenters such as Joe Wilson,
(e) insulting and belittling those who disagreed with his policies, home and abroad,
(f) putting a religious gloss on his policy decisions,
(g) ignoring inconvenient international laws,
(h) punishing media who were critical of him with denial of access, and
(i) shutting his eyes to evidence contradicting his ideas.

These are objectively reprehensible tactics that NO president should ever engage in.

2. Bush's unpopularity was not just because of his ideas. His approval was in the 20s and about 33% of this country is conservative and the 40% or so that are moderates include many sympathetic to conservative ideas. That means that dislike of Bush went beyond ideas. If you don't believe me, ask yourself, do you agree that McCain basically agreed with most of Bush's ideas during the campaign? If you agree with that, note that he received 46% of the popular vote. Compare that 46% number to Bush's 20% approval rating.

3. Bush had unusual political and governing advantages that Obama does not have including:
(a) having opposition leaders such as Harry Reid, Tom Daschle and Dick Gephardt - not the most assertive or ideological bunch. Obama has to deal with the much more ideologically rigid John Boehner and Mitch "the Turtle" McConnell.
(b) an ideologically uniform congressional contingent managed by competent and ideologically rigid leaders, and who are kept in check by an organized and powerful propaganda machine consisting of Fox Noise, the Club for Greed (er "Growth"), and an army of talk radio hosts. By contrast, Obama has an ideologically diverse Congress, many of whom represent conservative states/districts such as those in the south and the great plains, that is run by the overly cautious Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. The left also lacks an efficient mechanism equivalent to the Club for Growth to threaten dissidents with primary challenges. Instead the left has groups like the DLC which advocates victory by obsessively looking for the middle and standing in it.
(c) the goodwill generated by 9/11 which thwarted even more the mild opposition within Congress for his agenda.

4. Bush did SEVERE long term damage to the Republican party that we obviously do NOT want Obama to repeat for the Dem party. He was a constant albatross around McCain's neck. He has created a climate, again egged on by talk radio, where it is impossible to be a Republican without being ideologically pure. The Republicans have been decimated in New England, including New Hampshire, which was as recently as 04 a competitive state. As a result of constant demonization of Latinos (which I guess to be fair wasn't bush's fault personally) the Rs lost Latinos 2-1 in 08 and are in lots of trouble in AZ, NV, NM, CO and FL for the near future as a result. The Rs experienced severe losses among the young, the educated and suburbanites. They are being whittled down to their narrow base of southern whites and the rich.

I think Obama should of course push progressive ideas, and make reasonable compromises when necessary to actually enact good legislation. Whether he is compromising too much or not being bold enough is another kettle of fish, but basically he should stay away from the tactics of Bush.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 08:50 PM
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1. Maher wants his pony NOW dammitt!!!!
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 02:35 PM
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73. you miss his point. he wants the focus that dipshit put to getting his
way put into play. I want stuff done, not this pussyfooting with the dipshits. they will never cooperate, ever, so give it up and get it done.
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 08:52 PM
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2. How are you going to bitch about Bush for 8 straight years
and then criticize a democratic president for NOT ACTING LIKE BUSH??? On what planet does that makes sense? Sorry, Bill, you're wrong.
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angee_is_mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 08:54 PM
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3. I agree
I just posted a similiar post. Sorry for the dup.
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 08:57 PM
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4. don't be sorry
unless you cut and pasted it ;)
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O is 44 Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 08:59 PM
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5. I have not watched Maher in a long
while..but from what I read here his swipe at the President was a cheap shot. If Obama had not been left with such a mess he would not have to out there explaining everything to the populous and of course he can't count on the lazy media to educate the people. It is so easy to be a critic these days.
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mtf80123 Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:04 PM
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6. Fuck this namby, pamby, pandering bullshit!!!!
Edited on Mon Jun-15-09 09:09 PM by mtf80123
I agree with Bill....

Shove it up the RepuKe conservative and Moderates' collective asses so far they will NEVER be able to recover!

GET IT DONE OBAMA!!! Use that Monster brain of yours!!!!

End these wars NOW!

Enact "Fair Trade" and repeal "Free Trade and NAFTA".

Level the Tarrif playing field... then we can get American Manufacturing back on top!

Universal Health Care... etc, etc..!

And for "Goodness Sakes"... bring the Constitution to the front of the line once and for all..!!

WE PUT YOU IN POWER FOR A REASON!

~GWB - The Constitution is just a God Damned piece of Paper!" Dec 2005

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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:08 PM
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9. Exactly. It's not the speed things are moving, it's the direction that's the problem.
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:50 PM
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31. DAMN RIGHT!!!! And WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE????
oh wait...
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 12:40 AM
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56. +1. Ha! n/t
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 01:56 AM
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62. Pointless straw man that doesn't address the issues.
I think you were trying to insult the poster to whom you were replying by insinuating that they are a freeper, but you simply made yourself look ignorant.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:05 PM
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7. Excellent
And there's plenty of time for audacity AFTER we get a public health plan.
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Chisox08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:20 PM
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We need some of that audacity to get single payer health care.
There are consequences for losing elections.
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O is 44 Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:28 PM
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19. He was never for single payer
Obama has always advocated the public option. Which I happen to like since he states under his plan if you like your insurance now you can keep it.
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Chisox08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:50 PM
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32. He was for it at least State Senator Obama was for it. Who I've voted for
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O is 44 Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 10:03 PM
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39. Did not know of him when he was a Senator....
I just followed him during his Presidential campaign after Edwards dropped out, and I only heard him advocate for the public option. But I take it you are from Chicago so you knew of him way before I did.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 11:38 PM
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53. And he was against Bush starting the Iraq War
But guess what. You don't get to wave magic wands just because you're the President. You deal with the reality you live in which Obama has done since the second he decided to run for President. Quit manipulating the facts just to attack the man. It's hateful.
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Chisox08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 12:43 AM
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58. I'm not attacking President Obama nor do I hate him
I'm just saying that President Obama needs to get the Dems in the Senate to stop caving to the Repukes and stand on his ideas. I've followed President Obama ever since he was in the State Senate on through the to the US Senate and now to the White House. Hell my grandparents worked with him when he was a community organizer.
I want the Dems in Congress to grow a spine and stand up to the Repukes. I want real change not a watered down change that changes absolutly nothing.
If Obama could get single payer and EFCA through we are looking at another generation the leans to progressive changes. After the New Deal the Dems controlled the White House and Congress for the most part of 40 years. I like to see that happen again.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 02:05 AM
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63. If the people wanted single payer
bad enough, the people would have it. It's really that simple. We are having a difficult time getting the public option votes.

Here read the approval ratings of a state that is about 90% Democratic, from the State House to the Senate.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_AR_3241.pdf
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Chisox08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 02:39 AM
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66. The people want Single payer
The insurance companies, the AMA and the pharmacy companies doesn't. AS long as they are pumping millions of dollars into Congress we will not get it. I see this public option failing. Not due to any fault of Obama but future Repukes breaking it and making it so worthless that people go running back to the claws of the insurance companies that got us into the mess that we are in now.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 02:49 AM
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67. Then where are they?
They need to get in the streets and so far I don't see them in the numbers they need to be in. Maybe on the 25th.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 07:24 AM
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69. A poll that explains it
Notice the difference between D & G. Most polls are not clear.

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/june/kaiser_health_tracki.php
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 12:40 AM
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57. He was for single payer in 2003. However as a candidate he ONLY pushed for the Public Option. n/t
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:41 PM
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26. We're going to need some audacity just to get a public option
that actually means something - not some half assed program that's been set up to fail.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 11:34 PM
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52. Yes, from the single payer activists
Who so far refuse to cross over to very many OFA meetings and help push for it.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:07 PM
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8. And, maher is ignoring
that, too. maher's suggestion reeked of ignorance and the lazy way.

Excellent points, CTLawGuy.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:11 PM
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11. EXCELLENT DESCRIPTION!! Mahers rant was LazyMsM like and void of facts....
...and patients.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:15 PM
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12. Patience?
:)
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:20 PM
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15. Obama has been in office FIVE MONTHS and has NOT stopped world hunger dammit!!!!! /sarcasm
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mtf80123 Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:42 PM
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27. Po widdle Pwesident Obama...
I apowogize...

I'm glad your Pwesident... but where's the beef?

I still have "Audacity" but I'm losing "Hope".

GET OFF YOUR ASS AND START SHOVING PROGRESSIVE LEGISLATION DOWN THEIR THROATS!
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:08 PM
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10. I bet Maher would change his mind REAL fast if he didn't agree with the things Obama wanted to pass.
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mtf80123 Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:18 PM
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14. Lazy....
Please join the real world and "INSIST" that he starts 'strong arming' the congress and senate and get the things done we elected him to do!

No more .. "President Obama is playing chess" bull shit!!!! How about demanding he make a move for crying out loud!!!!?

I'm sick of this pussy footing!

You have the mandate "President Obama"!!! Now get it done!!!!
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:23 PM
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16. Right...
Obama is soooooo lazy. He's just like Paris Hilton-getting paid for getting his picture taken lounging around and nothing else. :eyes:
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mtf80123 Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:31 PM
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20. Words are words...
action is action!

I want more action, and I am not willing to wait for it.

Poor Obama... he has such a mess on his plate and it will take a looooonnnngggg time to sort it out. Hopefully he can do it. (sarc).

Fuck that... he has the mandate... he has the power... get it done NOW!!!
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:51 PM
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33. He's already accomplished more in his first 100 days than most
presidents.
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mtf80123 Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:58 PM
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36. Que the image of...
President Obama groveling at the feet of a Bronze aged theological Sky Daddy.
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 10:02 PM
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38. Bush thought he had mandate too
and governed like an asshole thank God our President doesn't think like you.
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mtf80123 Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 10:20 PM
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44. In this case....
Obama does have a mandate.

Get behind the wheel... or get off the bus.
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:33 PM
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22. GIT 'ER DONE!!!!!!!
:rofl:
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mtf80123 Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:38 PM
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24. Gov Dean
Get it done!
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:41 PM
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25. Nah you sound more like Larry the cable guy
GIT'ER DONE!!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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mtf80123 Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:45 PM
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29. Take a Valium apologist...
let us know when the "Prime Time" season is over.

Maybe we can move beyond the "Honeymoon" when you are ready.
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:48 PM
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30. I ain't no DAMN APOLOGIST!!!!! I wanna know where the damn birth certificate is
Edited on Mon Jun-15-09 09:51 PM by HopeOverFear
until I see concrete evidence that he was born in this country BARACK OBAMA IS NOT MY PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!














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mtf80123 Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:55 PM
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35. Well what's the hold up!
Find it then "birther."

As far as I am concerned... he is an American Citizen and the certified elected President of our country!

Now... Instead of kissing "Reich Wing Ass"... how about we demand he fulfill his mandate?
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:59 PM
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37. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

oh, that was too easy...whew...alright, I'll stop.

*stifles laugh*
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:17 PM
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13. Thank you CLG. I heard about Maher's comments last Friday, but I
can't stand to watch him. I'm not particularly religious now, but his fanatical disdain for all things religious, seems to me as utterly ridiculous as the most zealous evangelical. Maher, much like Howard Stern, makes his living based on his ability to shock. Being anti-establishment is part of his schtick, and right now the establishment is Pres. Obama.
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mtf80123 Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:28 PM
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18. All things are impermanent...
Wake up and smell the coffee!

oh wait... Valium is the answer.

The election is over people!!! What the fuck are you waiting for! President Obama is a Politician... period.

You apologists are pathetic.

I voted for Obama because I thought he would bring "reform" to the country. Still to be seen.

Looks like the apologists are willing to wait till the second term before demanding "change".

Fuck the "Obama is playing Chess" meme.

Grab your nuts Obama... and bring this country back to it's greatness!!!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:27 PM
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17. Don't forget that the media which worked FOR Pres Bush,
now works steadily against this President.

That's why you can find stories like this
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8472976&mesg_id=8472976

each and every day....
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O is 44 Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:33 PM
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21. So true...
they act as if he is the first President to use air force one to fly around the country. I think the real problem is they hate that he is taking his fight for healthcare reform directly to the people. It is hard for them to manipulate the arguments although they will still try. One thing you can say with certainty there is no liberal bias in the media.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:43 PM
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28. Maher isn't credible on politics
Edited on Mon Jun-15-09 09:43 PM by Uzybone
he was the one hedging his bets on Bush being right about Iraq for well over a year when the surge began to "work". I agree with most of his views on social issues but on politics he repeats MSM spin like an automaton.
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mtf80123 Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 10:07 PM
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40. Good thing Maher has a...
critical mind.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 10:20 PM
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45. when he was supporting the Iraq War
and repeating MSM spin during the 2000 and 2004 elections it was pretty clear Maher does not have a critical mind when it comes to politics. Anyone who takes their political cures from a comedian like Maher IS A complete fool.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 10:40 PM
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46. Pssst! He's a Maher "apologist". (nt)
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mtf80123 Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 10:45 PM
Response to Reply #46
47. and you are A...
War apologist.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 10:58 PM
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49. I hope you're at least coming up from your Mom's basement, occasionally, to bathe?
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mtf80123 Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 12:35 AM
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55. ha ha
fortunately your imagination is a common retread of those who have none.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 02:54 AM
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68. He never supported the Iraq war.
"He was originally against the Iraq War, but briefly offered less skeptical commentary in light of the Iraqi election of 2005. Maher now views the Iraq War as a failure and implied on the February 24, 2006 episode of Real Time that Iraq was better off under Saddam Hussein and that the U.S. cannot control the sectarian violence like Saddam did. He has said the invasion of Iraq has increased the threat of terrorism. He has also stated his concerns about the possibility of a future civil war in Iraq or about the possibility that Iraq is already involved in the early stages of a civil war."

http://www.answers.com/topic/bill-maher
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bigjohn16 Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:55 PM
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34. Bill was spot on with his criticism and I agree with the sentiment.
Bush had terrible ideas but when he wanted something he got it. Bill never suggested the President do any of the things you listed just be willing to draw a line in the sand and stand his ground on the issues that matter. Where is the "reasonable compromise" when the other side is saying no to everything you put forward. If an ineffectual and weak President is what we want to put forward for the next 8 years then staying the course will get us there. If we want true health, economic, and social reform then we need a President who is willing to not give the other side an inch when it comes to some core principles of the Democratic Party. Remember we won and it's time the President and those we elected in Congress to start acting like it. If not now then when?
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Diamonique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 10:11 PM
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41. Bravo! I agree 100%
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mtf80123 Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 10:18 PM
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43. Bravo!!
My sentiments too.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 08:18 AM
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70. Bush lied us into war. Do you want Obama to lie to us?
I don't.

:shrug:
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bigjohn16 Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 08:35 AM
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71. I want him to leave Iraq and then lie us back in they'd never see it coming. nt
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 10:53 PM
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48. There's a reason why there are three branches of the Federal government and not just one...
... and there's a reason why Bill Maher is not working in any of them.

Trot on Bill .... trot on.
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O is 44 Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 10:59 PM
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50. Thank you for saying this
most critics seem to forget the 3 branches of the Federal Government part.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 11:13 PM
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51. And I can name them too!
The Presidnet ...... the Congress ...... and the Vice President!!! :)

I have a wingnut friend who REALLY thinks the three branches are the Executive, the House and the Senate. Claims that the Democrats are now in COMPLETE control of the government.

Did you all hear that? The right thinks the Democrats have total control and some on the left think Obama has NO control.

When opposite sides disagree on the same premise, it usually means both of them are wrong. :)
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O is 44 Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 11:41 PM
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54. I hear ya...
I think some on both sides could use a refresher course in civics. After 8 years of the blending of all 3 into the executive branch the confusion is somewhat understandable.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 12:44 AM
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59. Ha! People choose to forget that and they want Obama to be Bush. Ramrod through everything,
and forget that there are divisions in his power.
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 01:03 AM
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60. only 4 recs so far,what bs
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 02:24 AM
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65. There's a reason.
Maher never suggested a) through i). The OP is lying like Drudge.

And... I'm not Letterman, I won't apologize.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 01:55 AM
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61. The President has a limited amount of time to set his agenda..
and start acting, with force. That's something that Bush seemed to understand, maybe from being a witness to Presidential politics from the inside for 12 years. I agree with Maher's assertion, and it's obvious that Maher isn't condoning illegal and nefarious acts on the part of the administration. LBJ strongarmed his way to reform without having to resort to Bush style tactics.
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 02:12 AM
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64. He has the most aggressive agenda
in foreign and domestic agenda in a generation,but he's not acting with force?
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ObamaKerryDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 01:36 PM
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72. Exactly!
Edited on Tue Jun-16-09 01:36 PM by ObamaKerryDem
Don't get me wrong, I like Bill a lot, but this has got to be the dumbest thing he's ever said. I mean, I understand it in theory, but IMHO, it's kind of hypocritical for someone to spend the last eight years lambasting Bush (though well deserved) for those tactics, then turn around and want the next, more ideologically-in-line-with you president to exhibit the same attitude, only with policies you like. And we all saw how well THAT ended up working for W..

Sorry, Bill, but you're wrong on this one.

K&R:kick:
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