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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 01:58 PM
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For all the legitimate griping about Obama's subtle approach, you have to give him credit...
on healthcare. He IS pushing this out to the front in a way no President has for decades. It would be just as easy for him to set it on the backburner and let the next guy or gal deal with it, just like every other President has done since before most of us were born.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 02:00 PM
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1. and yet, he is siding with the repukes in wanting to limit malpractice suits, claiming
it will help bring down health care costs, and he doesn't want to talk single payer, or universal health care, which is the ONLY way this crappy system is going to get fixed.


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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 02:01 PM
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2. But don't you see, that's what's so brilliantly subtle!
He will lure by the Republicans into voting for the health care bill by giving them everything they want.

Genius! Sheer genius!
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 02:19 PM
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5. He doesn't want to limit malpractice suits
He wants to eliminate situations where malpractice can occur. He is not advocating for a cap either. He wants to work in areas that would promote quality assurance where there are mechanisms in place to prevent many of the mistakes that are made.

He spoke about this today in his speech before the AMA.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 02:23 PM
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6. Obviously somebody's not paying attention.
Edited on Mon Jun-15-09 02:23 PM by Dawgs
And, he talks about single payer healthcare all of the time. Just because you've decided to not paying attention, doesn't mean it's not happening.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 02:36 PM
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8. Could you quote him on that? cause I didn't hear what you obviously heard
Edited on Mon Jun-15-09 02:36 PM by FrenchieCat
today.

Thanks! :hi:
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 02:54 PM
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10. I was referring to what I read in my paper this morning. have not heard the speech
and the online edition of the paper isn't showing that particular article.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 03:04 PM
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13. Well if you listen and believe the MSM to the extent that you
speak as though you know something that isn't so,
I guess you will be one of the misinformed the media
counts on. :eyes:
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 03:27 PM
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18. This is part of what he said
I'm sure the full transcript will be posted later

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"I'm not advocating caps on malpractice awards, which I personally believe can be unfair to people who've been wrongfully harmed, but I do think we need to explore a range of ideas about how to put patient safety first, how to let doctors focus on practicing medicine, how to encourage broader use of evidence-based guidelines,"
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WonderGrunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 03:22 PM
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16. Once the bill passes
We can change it back any way we want during reconciliation.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 02:05 PM
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3. I saw and heard the entire speech. It's workable and doable IMO. I liked it...n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 02:15 PM
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4. There are some around here
who will never give him credit on anything..they think their hate is going to carry the day.
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 02:23 PM
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7. Never.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 02:41 PM
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9. The jury's still out on that one
Although it IS his biggest test since the bar exam- and so one hopes that these are signs that he recognizes it.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 02:59 PM
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11. I don't see a clear strategy from Obama on health care. Can you explain it?
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 03:03 PM
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12. Honestly no, because I'm not Rahm Emanuel or David Axelrod. But I can
Edited on Mon Jun-15-09 03:03 PM by Bread and Circus
comment on what I see, and that is a President who is urging congress, the ins cos., the AMA, and the American people to embrace health care reform that is large in scope.

No one is forcing him to do so.

This is more than any President I can remember doing.

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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 03:20 PM
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15. The simple fact is, he is encouraging the dialogue, and the dialogue
will lead, inexorably, to single-payer EVEN IF HE DOESN'T WANT IT TO.

It is part of the conversation, and that genie is not going to go back into the bottle.

Even if all we get for now is half-assed 'reforms', in the long run single-payer is inevitable.

IMHO.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 03:25 PM
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17. I am just afraid our health care system is going to crash before the Democrats have
the courage to do what needs to be done with a single payer plan.

I hate the thought of things getting worse.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 03:29 PM
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19. Me too. nt
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 03:17 PM
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14. How about this


1) Establish a consensus that the current situation is untenable

2) Build wide agreement that action is essential, that the current situation is going to bring economic ruin

3) Bring as many people to the table and eliminate all of the straw man arguments against reform

4) Divide the different corporate interests so that the AMA and the insurance industry do not provide a combined front. Divide the corporate interests among Doctors by appealing to the 'healers' among them to assert leadership.

5) Reassure people that if what they have works, they don't have to change.

6) After there is wide agreement on the above introduce a public option in order to make sure that everyone is covered and that the insurance companies are not simply getting support on mandatory coverage, "keeping them honest"

7) Continue to set the debate in such a way that reform cannot be reflexively pilloried.

8) Engage the public to keep pressure.

9) Negotiate the details to ensure a good, not perfect, public option.
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WHAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 04:55 PM
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20. That's really good...
it deserves its own post.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 05:19 PM
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21. It's classified.
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