BREAKING: shooting at Holocaust Museum in D.C.

[HopeOverFear]

MSNBC is reporting a suspect with a rifle entered the D.C. Holocaust Museum and shot a guard. The alleged shooter was also shot.

US Park police report three people have been shot at the Holocaust Museum At least two of the victims are believed to be in critical condition. DC police report the shooter was injured and is in custody.

[grantcart]

1. Reporting three people in the Museum were shot.

[babylonsister]

2. Can't wait to hear who this guy listened to for 'entertainment'. nt

[HopeOverFear]

4. I know right?

[Sebastian Doyle]

5. Hal Turner would be my guess

As lame as Mush, Hannity, and O'Reilly are, I doubt they would suggest anybody target a museum.

[madeline_con]

Maybe the museum wasn't the target. Fundies hate Jews. n/t

[babylonsister]

10. That's what I meant-what r/w hack has it in for Jewish people? nt

[madeline_con]

12. Hal Turner was arrested for crossing the free speech line.

I'm just saying it's a possibility some listener took his anti-Semitic rants to heart.

Right-wing radio host fights charges
Saturday, June 6, 2009
BY MATTHEW VAN DUSEN

NORTH BERGEN – Far-right radio host Hal Turner will spend the weekend in jail as he awaits a Monday court date where he will fight extradition to Connecticut on charges of inciting violence, according to his lawyer.

Township police arrested Turner, 47, on Wednesday at the request of the Connecticut Capitol Police, who have a warrant charging him for allegedly asking followers to "take up arms" against two legislators and a state official on his blog Tuesday.
...

Many commentators disagree with Turner, who has been called a racist, white supremacist and an anti-Semite. He frequently posts the addresses of officials and judges with whom he disagrees and makes reference to the power of the people to violently overthrow tyrannical governments....

http://www.northjersey.com/news/crimeandcourts/47114427.html

[MadBadger]

32. Hes a fundie, just not a fundamentalist Christian

[MadBadger]

9. Judging by the scene of the crime, I wouldnt guess the usual RW suspects.

Unless the KKK has a radio station.

[vaberella]

11. Damn...I never thought some race war would happen. But there are a lot of racial motivated attacks.

And it's freaking me out. The extreme Right Wing is one scary shit.

[ccharles000]

3. how sad

[damntexdem]

6. How did the suspect manage to enter the museum with a rifle?

Did the suspect have a very-long violin case?

[Sebastian Doyle]

7. He may not have actually made it in the door

If a guard was shot, and the shooter himself was hit, that would be my guess. Although just walking around DC with a goddamn rifle should be obvious enough.

[Beacool]

8. Oh my, so much violence.

I think that the Holocaust Museum is the most moving, memorable and disturbing museum in the Smithsonian.

It's depressing to see what human beings can do to one another. Although the museum tries to make people leave with a sense of hope for humanity with the exhibits on the top floor.

There's so much hate out there.......

:cry:

[Ocracoker16]

48. not part of Smithsonian

[madeline_con]

13. MSNBC reporter says it's not terrorism....

that it's just the work of an individual, not terrorism. Why can't an individual be a terrorist? :wtf:

[vaberella]

16. I have no clue. Because this person terrorized a people and a community and now nation. n/t

[babylonsister]

19. Funny, I had that conversation

last night with my husband when claiming I want the guy who assasinated the abortion doc to be held as a terrorist, because he had his ring of people who encouraged violence and terrorism at clinics.

He thought we were going too far by labeling everyone 'terrorist' when some people are 'just' murderers. I'd have to know what this guy's background is before calling him anything.

But their intent is the same.

[lxlxlxl]

14. An 80 year old shooter?

Wow...someone who might actually be a wwii vet?

[vaberella]

17. Are you shitting me?! n/t

[grantcart]

20. maybe 89 years old

[DeschutesRiver]

23. They just said he was born in 1920, member of white supremacist group

anti-government, etc. So that makes him just shy of 90. Likely been rotten to his core for his entire life, given his belief system.

Am just thankful they stopped him before he killed any museum visitors, esp. with all those groups of kids there.

[SuperTrouper]

27. Confirmed 89 year old shooter connected to anti-government and

White supremacist group

[DrToast]

31. You mean the type of person in that DHS report?

The one that Republicans said was nonsense.

[blocker73]

43. yeah scary hein.......

[Patsy Stone]

15. "White Man Patriotism" at work again?

Disgusting.

[lxlxlxl]

21. you called it right...

james von brunn -- all sorts of white supremacist / antisemetic stuff...

[Patsy Stone]

37. 88 years old

and he can still lift (let alone) handle a rifle. A hero among his kind, I'm sure. :puke:

[vaberella]

18. The cat shot a cop. Oh man. Might be multiple officers shot. n/t

[SuperTrouper]

22. MSNBC:Shooter has possible ties to White Supremacist group nt

[vaberella]

24. Oh for Christ's Sake. Ugh...I'm gutted. n/t

[ClarkUSA]

25. Tragic. That's the second incidence of violent right-wing extremism in a week.

It's time to crack down hard on groups that spawn these domestic terrorists.

[fugop]

26. But ... but ... but ....

Janet Napolitano should resign! For a report saying right-wing extremism may be on the rise! Shame on her for suggesting...

Ah fuck it. This is so freakin' sad. How much hate do you have to have eating at your soul to do this at 90 years old?

[ClarkUSA]

30. Exactly what I thought... I'll bet Republicans won't say a damned word about it.

Ah fuck it. This is so freakin' sad. How much hate do you have to have eating at your soul to do this at 90 years old?

What's really sad is how many kids this freak must've raised to follow in his hate-filled footsteps. He's a martyr to them now.

[babylonsister]

28. Some background here, though the wiki link is now locked...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:James_von_Brunn

James W. von Brunn, b.1920, attempted to place the Federal Resrve Board of Governors under legal, non-violent citizens arrest, 12-7-81. Von Brunn charged the FED with treason and other high crimes. The FED, a private stock-company, owned by International bankers, financed the construction of manufacturing plants in the Soviet Union during the "Cold War." War materials, produced by FED financed plants, were used by the Enemy against American military forces in Viet Nam, and elsewhere.

Von Brunn was tried and convicted by a Washington, D.C. kangaroo court; then sentenced to eleven years in federal prison by Judge Harriet Rosen Taylor; the sentence was confirmed by a racially motivated Appeals Court. Von Brunn was imprisoned for 6.5-years.

Von Brunn champions Western Culture,and the practice of Eugenics. He states that Marxism-Multiculturalism-Judaism is the Enemy of Mankind.citing Talmudic quotes to "Kill the Best Gentiles !"

Von Brunn was president of his college fraternity, SAE. He served as PT-Boat captain, USNR, during WW2, earning 4-battle stars and a Commendation Ribbon. His early business career was in NYC as copywriter, art-director and film producer; later as a real-estate broker; and lastly as a writer-artist.

[get the red out]

29. Move along

There is no domestic terrorism, just a lone looney over and over and over.................

[Clio the Leo]

33. Check out Freeptopia's remarks.......

.... before the full details came out, most assuming that the shooter MUST have been a Muslim emboldened by the President's recent behaviour....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2268878/posts

.... and once his identity comes out ... many claiming that the media is running a BS story. One of them even saying, "Good thing he doesn’t have a german-sounding name!"

oh my

[vaberella]

34. I know.

And they were saying Obama will be apologizing for their actions. This is the second right wing extremist attack and at this point..I'm done with these people.

[mvd]

35. Third if you count the church shooting

I think true bipartisanship is impossible at this point. Obama tried his best.

[vaberella]

36. Oh right...I forgot about that one. Yup. n/t

[Clio the Leo]

38. Well, fortunately they dont represent the moderates he was going after anyway....

bipartisanship was never about working with the FAR right.

[mvd]

39. Unfortunately, those moderates are very few even in the Repub. party in Congress

That's the reality we have to work with.

[Clio the Leo]

40. but....

.... there are FAR more moderate voters outside of the DC Beltway .... and demonstrating to them his DESIRE to want to work in a bipartisan way was the goal from the beginning. He doesn't have to be successful, he just has to TRY. ;)

[mvd]

41. He's already tried, which I think was smart, based on his campaign

But now it's becoming obvious that you can't keep doing it forever, except with Snowe maybe. After all, most in the Repuke party are fine with hate speech from Limbaugh, Hannity, etc.

[Clio the Leo]

44. Well, I hate to tell you this but....

.... he's not going to stop any time soon. The very first chapter in "Audacity" dealt with partisan bickering and the problems he believes it causes. Time and time again, he's said he's interested in solutions .... by any means necessary. ;)

The guy who did this....


Is the same guy who did this...


... and his motivation is the same.

He believes that, as long as we continue to choose sides over choosing a common goal, we're never going to get anything done. It's how he rolls ... take it or leave.

[mvd]

45. A worthy goal, no doubt

Problem is that the Repukes will oppose him no matter what he does. So hopefully, he won't let it water down his opinion on things like the health care plan.

Washington will always be partisan to a degree, and it's much worse with the Repukes.

[Clio the Leo]

46. Of course they will....

.... that's the point. He extends an open hand, they slap it down, and he wins more votes in the process.

Again, the goal is not be successful in gaining bipartisan support, but APPEARING to want it. ;)

[mvd]

47. I can see that

Hope he can be successful in the current atmosphere.

[SuperTrouper]

49. They are a despicable bunch

[blocker73]

42. my prayers are with the injured