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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-06-09 01:52 PM
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NYT: Obama to Forge a Greater Role on Health Care. Grassley says 'he'd better use kid gloves.'
Obama to Forge a Greater Role on Health Care

By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG

WASHINGTON — After months of insisting he would leave the details to Congress, President Obama has concluded that he must exert greater control over the health care debate and is preparing an intense push for legislation that will include speeches, town-hall-style meetings and much deeper engagement with lawmakers, senior White House officials say.

Mindful of the failures of former President Bill Clinton, whose intricate proposal for universal care collapsed on Capitol Hill 15 years ago, Mr. Obama until now had charted a different course, setting forth broad principles and concentrating on bringing disparate factions — doctors, insurers, hospitals, pharmaceutical companies, labor unions — to the negotiating table.

But Mr. Obama has grown concerned that he is losing the debate over certain policy prescriptions he favors, like a government-run insurance plan to compete with the private sector, said one Democrat familiar with his thinking. With Congress beginning a burst of work on the measure, top advisers say, the president is determined to make certain the final bill bears his stamp.

“Ultimately, as happened with the recovery act, it will become President Obama’s plan,“ the White House budget director, Peter R. Orszag, said in an interview. “I think you will see that evolution occurring over the next few weeks. We will be weighing in more definitively, and you will see him out there.”

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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/07/us/politics/07policy.html?hp
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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-06-09 01:58 PM
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1. I'm pretty excited about what's coming next
It'll be good to see Obama out there campaigning for something again.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-06-09 02:00 PM
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3. OFA Health Care Organizing Kickoff - today
http://www.barackobama.com WE need to be out there too.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-06-09 02:00 PM
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4. OFA Health Care Organizing Kickoff - today
http://www.barackobama.com WE need to be out there too.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-06-09 01:59 PM
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2. So he's going to start acting like the leader of the Democratic Party? Good. About time.
Edited on Sat Jun-06-09 02:03 PM by Better Believe It
Now the bill must at least included a strong public option.

If it doesn't, the bill should be voted down by most Senate and House Democrats .... it should become known as the Republican bill.

That's the only kind of bill that would be bi-partisan with some conservative Democrats voting for it.

If Obama uses "kid gloves", as a weak President would do, on reluctant Democrats, Republicans and the insurance industry he will lose the fight.

Better no bill than one without at least a meaningful public option.
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asphalt.jungle Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-06-09 03:31 PM
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8. yeah because stomping on congressional egos is a surefire way to get things done in washington
you have to show them who's boss and they won't try to sabotage you with the knowledge that their district/state is safe. :sarcasm:
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-06-09 04:25 PM
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11. Yep- the approach YOU imply has worked so effectively hasn't it?
I suppose some folks never learn.
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asphalt.jungle Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-06-09 05:29 PM
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12. He got the stimulus bill that he wanted
Edited on Sat Jun-06-09 05:30 PM by asphalt.jungle
The dems in congress debated it, cut things, added things and at the end of the day it came in at the same amount he originally requested in the outline. Now being out front on an issue and telling congress how it's going to be worked so well for Clinton, they sure got in line. :sarcasm:
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-06-09 05:37 PM
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13. With federal revenue sharing and pandemic preparedness funds slashed
Heck of a job!

Heck of roll over that hurts the economy and WILL hurt Democrats on the state and local level. AND at a time when there couldn't have been more of a perceived need and political capital.

If the administration wants to get responsible health care - or damn near anything else with ideological and/or intense lobbiest and corrupt influences through this congress, it's going to have to twist arms and use sticks as well as carrots.

Anyone who doesn't think so hasn't been paying attention to the dynamics. Not to mention that, gee, how is it that Republicans seem to pass even the most egregious and unpopular policies, when the Dems can barely manage band aids when they have 65-70% of public support? Seems to objective observers that there's a lesson there....
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asphalt.jungle Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-06-09 08:05 PM
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14. those weren't in his outline, he got what he wanted.
Edited on Sat Jun-06-09 08:08 PM by asphalt.jungle
Link 1

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28545581

Outline of Obama’s Stimulus Plan:
January 9, 2009 6:50 AM Age: 149 days
BY: SOURCE: MSNBC.COM RESEARCH, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS AND REUTERS

The Plan

President-elect Barack Obama offered up a few more clues on Thursday about what sorts of programs he would like to see in a record-large economic stimulus package. He intends to invest in energy, education, health care and infrastructure.

His advisers have indicated that the approximately $775 billion package will be spread over two years, with the biggest chunk -- $300 billion -- reserved for tax cuts. The package is intended to spark more consumer spending and generate about 3.2 million jobs by the first quarter of 2011, the advisers say. Details reported so far:

Tax relief

• The $300 billion in tax cuts includes $500 for most workers and $1,000 for couples, at a cost of about $140 billion to $150 billion over two years, the Associated Press reports. The individual tax cuts may be awarded through withholding less from worker paychecks, effectively making them about $10 to $20 larger each week.

Payroll taxes

• Payroll taxes withheld by the government would be cut as well, according to the AP. The break would be retroactive to Jan. 1, and couples receiving the $1,000 tax cut also would keep an extra $80 a month under this provision.

Child tax credit

• More than 5 million American children who are poor would be eligible for a $1,000-per-child tax credit for the first time, according to the New York Times. The tax benefit also would be given to millions more poor children who now qualify for only partial credit, The New York Times reported.

Jobless benefits

• Some $77 billion would be used to extend unemployment benefits and to subsidize health care for people who have lost their jobs, according to the AP.

Jumpstart on jobs

• A substantial amount of money would be devoted to job-creation projects such as roads and bridges and toward long-term goals such as alternative energy programs.

Business breaks

• For businesses, the plan would allow firms that incurred losses last year to take a credit against profits dating back five years instead of the two years currently allowed, the AP reported. One proposal under consideration would give businesses a $500-per-worker break on payroll taxes, according to the Times.

Aid to state governments

• State budgets have taken a huge hit from falling property and sales tax revenues, and governors have urged Obama to help. According to Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com, the return on that investment is $1.36 per dollar spent.

Adam Posen, an economist with the Peterson Institute for International Economics, said helping states bridge budget gaps would help keep teachers and police officers on the job.

Accountability

• The stimulus plan won't include money for politicians' pet projects and will include provisions to ensure transparency and accountability to taxpayers and Congress, Obama officials told the AP. An oversight board would be created to meet publicly and issue reports to Congress on how the money is being spent. A user-friendly Internet site also would allow people to track the flow of funds, the officials said.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-06-09 03:53 PM
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9. He's ALWAYS acted like the leader of the Democratic Party. You just don't like him.
What are you talking about?

He's always pushed a strong public option. He's advocated for it, so it's not a "must at least" It's always been primary and not optional on the bill he wanted written. He's always put that on the table, he campaigned on it, he put all over his website and the WH site so what the hell is your point? He wanted the Senate to take the initiative and congress because he has a lot on his plate, but now he's decided to step in----probably after recognizing the failure of the Senate to stand by him (Democrats in particular). However, giving leeway to have others play a part never showed him to be weak or not a leader. Actually it showed that he wanted to distribute importance and have the committees that exist in Washington work the way they should be working. Currently they only go in for yearly lunch breaks and nothing more.

I love that...a "weak President" is one who uses "kid gloves" ---yet so far Obama has taken an almost laissez-faire attitude which is allowing the Republican party to implode. Lastly, Bush pushed his views forward and plenty of Dems voted to bring us into a War the people bloody well hate.


I'd rather have Obama doing it the way he knows how rather than having a "strong President", as would fit Bush by your estimation, any day of the week considering how much he's accompolishing.
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-06-09 02:01 PM
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5. Most excellent!
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-06-09 02:02 PM
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6. THis is exciting. Makes me think Obama is behind Kennedy's leaked plan
:)
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Kdillard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-06-09 02:04 PM
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7. Kennedy very much wants this to be his legacy and from what I have seen
it is a good plan so I am thinking yes.
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Abq_Sarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 01:52 AM
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16. I need to see more solid numbers
From the employer end. It's not particularly feasible in this economic climate to ask small businesses who currently can't afford to provide coverage to start paying for coverage. That could wipe out a lot of jobs.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 09:14 AM
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17. Not if insurance coverage is affordable, and subsidized, when required.
These are some of the forty-seven million uninsured in this country and who need to be covered if we are to have universal coverage.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-06-09 04:14 PM
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10. If dealing straight with the corporate fuckers doesn't work, HULK SMASH!
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-06-09 08:08 PM
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15. lol
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