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sarah553807 Donating Member (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 08:49 PM
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Buchanan Mocks Sotomayor For Learning English By Reading Children’s Books
Edited on Mon Jun-01-09 08:50 PM by sarah553807
BUCHANAN: Well I, again in that Saturday piece, she went to Princeton. She graduated first in her class it said. But she herself said she read, basically classic children’s books to read and learn the language and she read basic English grammars and she got help from tutors. I think that,I mean if you’re, frankly if you’re in college and you’re working on Pinocchio or on the troll under the bridge, I don’t think that’s college work.





Buchanan is referencing a recent New York Times article, which talked about how hard Sotomayor had to work to graduate at the top of her class from Princeton:

Judge Sotomayor is not known to have identified herself as a beneficiary of affirmative action, but she has described her academic struggles as a new student at Princeton from a Roman Catholic school in the Bronx — one of about 20 Hispanics on a campus with more than 2,000 students.

She spent summers reading children’s classics she had missed in a Spanish-speaking home and “re-teaching” herself to write “proper English” by reading elementary grammar books. Only with the outside help of a professor who served as her mentor did she catch up academically, ultimately graduating at the top of her class.


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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 08:52 PM
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1. If there's a hell I hope it's big enough. nt
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 08:59 PM
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7. Surely it is.
He attends/ed church in my old neighborhood; fortunately we didn't, nor did our kids go to school there.

:evilfrown:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 08:54 PM
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2. Only drooling trolls would find
anything other than complete admiration for the way Sotomayor learned and earned her way to the top.

poor poor little jealous fuckwad.
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sarah553807 Donating Member (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 08:55 PM
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3. It's funny when they bash hispanics for not learning english
but when they try,they're made fun of.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 08:58 PM
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6. It's pathetic that he has
a forum for his stupid bigoted attacks.
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 10:05 PM
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18. Yes, and parades himself as a "Christian" and the supposed true Christians
who are so appalled by the Tiller murder say NOTHING to discredit him. Nothing.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 08:56 PM
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4. One more example of Pat's racism,as if we needed it
And of course, also his stupidity. I wish they would come to understand his redundant status and put him in some home for retired bigots.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 08:57 PM
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5. I learned English by reading children's books too.








just saying
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 09:01 PM
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9. MOST kids do!
:rofl:
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 09:36 PM
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14. tomorrow Pat will come up w/ the shocking ....
..... kids learn math by working w/ numbers.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 10:23 PM
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20. What, no Wacky Wednesday?
Pfft.
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 09:00 PM
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8. Pukecannon! Just wear your Klan regalia on MSNBC!
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 09:05 PM
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10. Uh, so did I.
How did he learn? Cave wall drawings?

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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 09:06 PM
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11. Gee, that's how I learned English as a child.
I was born in another country, and came here not knowing any English.

Within a year, after reading lots of children's books, several per week, with assistance from my father, I knew English well enough to get almost straight A's in K-6, and be elected 6th grade class President by my peers.

However, I see Pat's point. Those children's books prevented me from getting 100% straight A's. :eyes:
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 08:48 AM
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21. I teach adults in ESOL. One of my tools is the poetry of Shel Silverstein and other
poems/songs that children sing. ESOL teachers use them to instruct English learners about the timing of our language. Even native English speaking children sing/speak them ("the WHEELS on the BUS go ROUND and ROUND...") English is a stress timed language. Spanish is a syllable timed language. The difference is that in Spanish every syllable is given equal time. In English this is not the case; syllables in certain words are routinely dropped. Sometimes I sing the song "Little Boxes" to my learners so they can understand this: Little BOXES on the HILLside, little BOXES made of TICKy TACKy...

Learning time stress is essential to learning English.
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dalaigh lllama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 09:09 AM
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27. Someone should ask Buchanan what second language HE speaks fluently
and how he learned proficiency in it. I somehow doubt he has any clue on how a second language is acquired.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 11:10 AM
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36. I'm sure ole Pat would say that it's "un-American" to speak any language other than English.
As one RW fundie is quoted as saying about English, "If it was good enough for Jesus Christ it's good enough for me!"
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 12:48 PM
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40. Lucky students! I love Shel Silverstein. What a treat to learn English with his words.
I wonder if some of your former students giggled when they saw "Little Boxes" used as the theme song for "Weeds"? ;)
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 02:53 PM
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46. Actually, I found it difficult to use with one of my students, a woman from China.
She loved singing it with me but the meaning was lost on her. I had to shift tactics...

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 09:08 PM
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12. Direct link...
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 09:21 PM
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13. He's got some balls bringing Clarence Thomas up as an example of
somebody who understands the law. It's also good to know that he thinks the drug addled gas bag has good instincts on who should be a Supreme Court justice.
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 09:38 PM
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15. Hey Buchanan - I Got One Thing To Say - My Pet Goat........nt
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 09:40 PM
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16. Like duh...that is how children learn to read English everyday.
As a preschool teacher, shame on him! Reading to children and reading as an adult improves you English no matter what kind of book you read. Idiot.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 09:50 PM
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17. Gee Pat, I guess that semester that I had of Children's Literature didn't count then
I mean after all, I was reading a couple of kid's books a week there for a college level class. Hmmm.

And frankly, kid's lit is how most people in this country, at one time or another in their lives, learn how to read, write and speak the language. Of course given Pat's atrocious grammar and speaking, I see he skipped that part.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 10:15 PM
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19. Oh Pat, Pat, Pat it so hard to be any more racist.
At least she was reading! Fuck you Pat!

Picking up a children's classic to improve her English is something I think ole Pat would support. Pat doesn't like anyone that doesn't look like him, sound like him.....

She still graduated at the top of her class.

The right wing doesn't like minorities or women who get educations and are high achievers. Men like Pat are intimidated by people that are smarter then they are.
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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 08:55 AM
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22. So the lesson here is:
Sotomayor is so friggin' bright that she not only graduated at the top of her class at Princeton, but she did so without even having a complete understanding of the English language first. And, instead of partying and having a good time during the summers.. she took it upon herself to master English instead.

So, thank-you Mr. Buchanan for pointing out both Sonya's extremely high intelligence AS WELL as her admirable work ethic!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 08:56 AM
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23. Look and see. See Dick. See Jane. See Sally. See Spot and Puff.
See Pat, notorious bigot.

Spew, Pat, spew!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 09:01 AM
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24. If you graduate at the top of your class from Princeton it seems to me
you must have a hell of a lot on the ball.

Bravo, Judge Sotomayor.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 09:05 AM
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25. What method did you use to learn Spanish, Pat? Or any of the
many other languages you speak?

You fucking anal crevice, you.
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NatBurner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 01:39 PM
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44. ^^
my thoughts exactly
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 09:09 AM
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26. The steps she made leading up to her commanding accomplishment at
an Ivy League school included what looks to me to be some of the soundest pedagogy on earth.

Loud, sustained cheers for Judge Sotomayor. Pat Buchanan can go suck a doorknob.
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 09:17 AM
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28. As opposed to students at Regent Univ., who don't take Elementary Grammar until their 4th year. nt
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 09:35 AM
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29. A moralizer who demoralizes
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 09:36 AM
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30. Patsy learned it reading "The Turner Diaries."
That was Amurican Histury to him.

I learned to read with comic books. Some of them were Classic comics. They were about Ivanhoe and such. Because of that, I read the books later on. I also became bilingual reading Sargeant Rock comics. I can count to 3 in German.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 01:25 PM
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43. Or "Mein Kampf"
The pop-up edition.
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EquallyExhausted Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 10:34 AM
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31. not surprisingly he totally misses the point of that anecdote
i've heard her tell this story before, and the point is that she spent time reading some of the children's classics and other classic works that she hadn't been taught in school, in order to better understand common literary references that were made in her courses; stuff which it is often taken for granted that all children will have learned in school. sure sounds like a lazy dummy doesn't she? :eyes:
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 10:39 AM
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32. So she graduated at the top of her class, despite having to re-learn English at the same time
Edited on Tue Jun-02-09 10:40 AM by Occam Bandage
she had to learn the course material in English. And this is a sign of lower intelligence.

:crazy:
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 10:40 AM
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33. why MSNBC has him on I can never understand
if there was a left wing version of Buchanan that person would never be seen on TV even once, let alone be a regular commentator.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 10:46 AM
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34. Most kids can be taught to read before kindergarten by the parents
taking the time to sit down and reading children's books with them. Sadly most don't take the time or make an effort.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 10:55 AM
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35. I would love to see Buchanan struggle learning a second language


Everyone who has struggled knows exactly what she was doing, how difficult it is and how much she should be admired for becoming so profecient in two languages. Maybe Pat can get as proficient in one.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 11:45 AM
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37. Buchanan, another right wing warmonger who didn't serve. He was
exempt for Reiter's Syndrome ... Google it.

http://www.nndb.com/people/053/000023981/
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 12:39 PM
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38. I bet Sotomayor knows
What a VP does. Unlike Pat's beauty queen who was nominated for the job.
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 12:46 PM
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39. Pat .. Reach much?
The Nay-sayers are really picking nits while voicing objection to this nominee.

I'd tell him to stfu, but he looks the fool again, so where's the harm?
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 12:52 PM
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41. And look how much more erudite she is than the nativist, Pat Buchanan.
Her IQ must outpace him in the quadruple digits to accomplish such a feat by a non-native speaker.
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kimmylavin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 01:07 PM
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42. What the hell is English grammars?
And I took several college level classes on children's lit.
The study of language, myth and lessons learned was fascinating.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 02:07 PM
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45. Fuck that loser. He wants everyone to learn english but mocks their attempts to do so?
Asswipe. :grr:
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 03:32 PM
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47. WTF? How is it relevent HOW she improved her English? She did it on her own initiative.
She didn't ask for special treatment because her English was inadequate. She worked hard and corrected the situation. Isn't that what the loudmouths on the right say they want people to do?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 03:51 PM
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48. Sorry Pat, but so did he. We all learned our language from children's books
because at one time we were children, even Pat!
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 06:58 PM
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49. I read kid-level stuff to work on my Spanish. Pat is an asshole!
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sheila mae Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 07:40 PM
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50. This story confuses me. You mean that while at Princeton (during summers)
she used kiddie books to bone up on English, as well as enlisted a prof to assist her? Does anyone know how she got into Princeton in the first place? I mean, it's an Ivy League school, she comes from very humble means, admitted that her English wasn't too hot (and don't they have to write essays to get in?), most likely had no connections...Was it merely her grades?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 07:44 PM
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51. Maybe Pat feels that 6-year olds should begin with Proust and Melville,
forcing people learning English later on as adults to do the same.

Then again, what does Pat know? He was a Nixon defender.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 10:32 PM
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52. It's been a couple days now on this, and I'm still real mad at Pat Buchanan.
We could do with his sexist and racist trash talk on Judge Sotomayor.


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