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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 07:34 PM
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Baby in womb receives heart surgery... Wow this is a first...
http://www.globaltv.com/globaltv/national/story.html?id=1575454
In a Canadian first, doctors at Toronto's Mount Sinai and SickKids hospitals have successfully performed heart surgery on a baby still in the womb.

A news release Thursday said the doctors expanded the baby's aortic valve using a balloon catheter inserted through the mother's abdomen to prevent the baby's heart from failing before birth.

"This allowed the baby to remain safely in utero for a crucial extra month," the statement said.

The baby, Oceane McKenzie, was born at Mount Sinai Hospital on April 15. Within an hour, she was taken to the cardiac diagnostic and intervention unit at SickKids to undergo another procedure. A third procedure followed a few weeks later.

"Doctors say she is well on the road to recovery and will be going home soon," the statement said.

The hospitals have scheduled a news conference today with Oceane and her parents, Vicki and Ian McKenzie, as well as the head of the fetal cardiac program at Toronto's Hospital for Sick Children, Dr. Edgar Jaeggi, and Dr. Greg Ryan, the head of the fetal medicine unit at Mount Sinai Hospital.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 07:42 PM
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1. Wonderful news but it highlights an issue for government sponsored health care, resource allocation
and rationing.

What cost-benefit model will congress approve to determine whether such medical procedures will be approved?
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 07:46 PM
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Very true, hell we can't even get any kind of health care in this country. n/t
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 12:56 PM
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18. What "rationing"?
Who's proposing rationing? We don't have rationing in Canada.
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rustydog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 07:46 PM
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2. Shit, if they can do this, Why not give Dick cheny a heart?
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 07:48 PM
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4. Far to late, he's to far gone.... n/t
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 08:05 PM
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6. Yeah, no hope there.
The organ would reject HIM.
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 10:17 PM
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9. DUZY!!! n/t
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 07:47 PM
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3. but, but I thought socialized health care stifled medical research and development?
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 07:49 PM
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5. That would be only in the US of A.. Don't ya know.. n/t
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 08:07 PM
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7. Oh, you are so right about that.
I mean, it's not like they first developed insulin therapy in Toronto or anything. :rofl:
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 12:07 AM
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12. Well, the insulin was before nationalized health insurance
That was back in the 20's. My alma mater, the University of Toronto, had a lovely memorial dedicated to the university doctors who discovered insulin.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 11:05 PM
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10. And that Canadians had to come to the states to get
elective or innovative procedures.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 11:25 PM
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11. Good point. n/t
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Yo_Mama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 12:38 AM
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14. Well, just for accuracy's sake
The first fetal heart procedure (pretty much the same as this) was done at Boston Children's in 2001.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/272323

I thought I remembered that. Their blood vessels are so tiny - I can't see how you could do this. It must take extreme guts for a doctor to try this.

I don't think national health care necessarily stifles research and innovation. It's a matter of what the citizens decide they collectively want to pay for, that's all.

And as for insulin first being used in Toronto, that was in the 1920s, and they sure didn't have socialized healthcare then. I forget the exact date, but I think one of the provinces established the first publicly funded healthcare plan in the 1940s. Healthcare in Canada is still run by the provinces. The federal government provides a share of the funds.

Not that I am implying that Canada doesn't have an excellent medical system. It does. But not everything is covered either. I recently read something saying that about 30% of health expenses aren't covered, and it was from an official source. You have to pay for your own prescriptions, etc. I have a hunch that Canadians are just more realistic about what can be done.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 08:14 PM
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8. Mount Sinai is a pretty good hospital. nt
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 12:31 AM
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13. Yup..that's my hospital in NYC. n/t
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 07:53 AM
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16. This is Mount Sinai in Toronto. nt
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 10:17 AM
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17. I know. I read the article...I was just referencing Mount Sinai's as great hospitals. n/t
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 03:02 PM
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20. They're all related? I didn't know that. nt
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 07:06 AM
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15. Well, there's no way this is true. Why . . . they don't even have
doctors in Canada, let alone hospitals.:sarcasm:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 12:58 PM
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19. It's only the first time in Canada
I believe it's been done several times elsewhere. And the first one was done in the US.
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