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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 06:01 AM
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If the Obama admnistration prosecutes bushco, they will be pretty singular
not just in terms of U.S. history, but in the context of modern history. It's not just the U.S. that doesn't prosecute past power holders. Add France, Spain and dozens of other countries that have seen serious abuses of power in their immediate past.

Should Obama do it? I think so, but I do recognize that this is something that is rarer than hen's teeth.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 06:36 AM
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1. Even half-assed prosecution might be a deterrent.
If people are convicted, even of lesser offenses than actual torture, this might be a real service to future generations.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 06:45 AM
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2. I don't think prosecution acts as a deterrent
The Nuremberg trials don't appear to have done that, but we're the nation that trumpets that we're superior, and that no one is above the law. For that reason alone we should try to live up to our own hype. And personally speaking, I want the perps to be punished for their bad acts.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 07:13 AM
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5. The Nuremberg trials are one of the best arguments for prosecution as deterrent.
Prosecution brings things to light, and put the offender's face out there for everyone to see--it's why the Right was so eager to depose Bill Clinton. Those who can be shamed are, and even the young who didn't witness the crimes get see the defendants pilloried or cleared. Prosecution is part of the reason why the name Hitler has endured so long as a symbol of evil.

Imagine the world that didn't prosecute at Nuremberg, and didn't track down the war criminals decades later.

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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 06:51 AM
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3. Yes, see this thread from last night:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8389144

The historical likelihood is that there will be no prosecution of Bush.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 06:57 AM
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4. my point is that it's not only this country in which an administration
doesn't prosecute those that preceded it. it's pretty much worldwide.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 07:16 AM
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6. Many war criminals are removed from office, not prosecuted later
That's how the system is supposed to work. Failing that, the USA has a responsibility to do something after the fact.

Right now, John Demanjanuk is on his way to be prosecuted for crimes he allegedly committed over 65 years ago.

How do we extradite him for his crimes when our former president is also a war criminal?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 07:19 AM
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7. How does Spain investigate bushco
when they never held themselves accountable for torture and mass murder under Franco?

That's the way the world spins.
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razorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 08:44 AM
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8. The reason past leaders are not usually prosecuted is to avoid setting precedents.
No president wants to put a predecessor on trial, because his successor could do the same thing to him later on, especially if he or she is of another party. It doesn't even have to be for a good reason. If something is done once, it WILL happen again. That's the nature of power.
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 01:23 PM
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9. sorry, it seems prosecution is what seems to keep prosecution from happening
I recall the prosecution of clinton for a peccadillo and the congress was afraid to do anything to boosh because they feared it would look like retribution for impeaching Clinton ...sorry...PROSECUTION SHOULD GO FORWARD...EVEN IF HE IS PARDONED!
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 01:48 PM
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10. good call on all points...sigh...
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Quezacoatl Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 02:29 PM
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11. Watergate and Iran Contra
It may be unlikely that Bush and Cheney will be charged but there were hearings on Watergate and Iran Contra and charges were brought against officials as a result.



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