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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:05 PM
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McCain, Graham and Lieberman to Obama: don't prosecute torture memo architects

Trio Of Senators Ask Obama Not To Prosecute Bush Attorneys

By Brian Beutler - April 22, 2009

Senators John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and Joe Lieberman have sent a letter to President Obama urging him not to prosecute Bush Justice Department officials who wrote legal rationales for torture. "(T)he Department of Justice is currently conducting an internal ethics review of the OLC memos," the trio write, "but that is a quite a different matter from making legal advice with which we may disagree into a crime."

This has been a common refrain from these three for some time, but this letter belies the facts that the use of torture predated the memos that were written to retroactively justify it, and that the Attorney General has independent authority to investigate and, possibly, prosecute their authors. I've pasted the full text of the letter below the fold.

We write with concern about proposals to prosecute previous administration officials for their legal analysis related to the CIA interrogation program. Pursuing such prosecutions would, we believe, have serious negative effects on the candor with which officials in any administration provide their best advice, and would take our country in a backward-looking direction at a time when our detainee-related challenges demand that we look forward. "We agree with your position that CIA interrogators, carrying out operations that had been deemed lawful by the Attorney General, should not be the subject of prosecution. Indeed, we addressed such a possibility in the 2005 Detainee Treatment Act, which holds that "good faith reliance on advice of counsel should be an important factor, among others," when considering whether CIA interrogators had good reason to believe that their activities were legal. "We disagree, however, with Administration statements suggesting that the lawyers who provided such counsel may now be open to prosecution. Some of the legal analysis included in the OLC memos released last week was, we believe, deeply flawed. We have also strongly opposed the overly coercive interrogation techniques, including waterboarding, that these memos deemed legal. We do not believe, however, that legal analysis should be criminalized, as proposals to prosecute government lawyers suggest. Moving in such a direction would have a deeply chilling effect on the ability of lawyers in any administration to provide their client - the U.S. Government - with their best legal advice. Providing poor legal advice is always undesirable, and the Department of Justice is currently conducting an internal ethics review of the OLC memos, but that is a quite a different matter from making legal advice with which we may disagree into a crime. "Given the great challenges that face our country in dealing with detainees currently held at Guantanamo Bay, Bagram Airfield, and elsewhere, along with detainees that will undoubtedly fall into U.S. custody as the result of future operations, we have every interest in looking forward to solutions, not backward to recriminations. That is why we do not support the idea of a commission that would focus on the mistakes of the past. "As you have made clear, we are a nation at war. Appreciating that reality, we look forward to working with you on the panoply of detainee issues, ranging from interrogation standards to the disposition of detainee cases, which will engage our country going forward. In the interest of national security, it is the future, rather than the past, on which we believe America's gaze must be fixed.



Summary: Dear President Obama, please consider torture legal as long as it's based on the opinions of war criminals. Love, the three stooges.

There is no justification for torture
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:08 PM
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1. Say "pretty please", assholes!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:08 PM
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2. Lieberman, same as it ever was. I figured he wouldn't change. nt
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:14 PM
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9. Notice they're only focused on the DOJ officials?
What about Rumsfeld, Cheney and Bush?

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:41 PM
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16. I imagine they don't want to breathe their names until someone
else does. Then we'll undoubtedly hear from the three terras.
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SuperTrouper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 03:09 PM
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20. When are we going to get rid of this jerk in CT? nt
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:09 PM
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3. Lieberman has no problem with waterboarding. Did he read this letter before signing it?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:10 PM
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6. This letter is an acknowledgment that war crimes were committed. n/t


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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:24 PM
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13. Liebermann wouldn't want to be opposed to techniques of the 51st state.
Edited on Wed Apr-22-09 02:25 PM by HereSince1628
He is totally compromised by issues surrounding dual loyalties.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:09 PM
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4. Don't taze me, bro!
:rofl:
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:10 PM
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5. Send your letter to Attorney General Holder. It's his decision, as it should be.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:13 PM
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8. exactly. (nt)
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:13 PM
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7. My Dear Boys... I'll forward your letter to my AG. Love, Obama.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:14 PM
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10. They're trying to absolve themselves ...
McLame may have given lip service to being against torture,
but he and his fellow musketeers supported BuschCo in their
efforts ... I don't even remember McLame being all that
outraged when it was revealed RatBastard added a fucking
SIGNING STATEMENT to his "anti-torture" bill ...
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:16 PM
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11. Ahhh, the three amigos again!
But not as funny as the ones in the film!

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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:16 PM
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12. What a surprise. The Three Stooges
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:28 PM
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14. A deeply chilling effect on lawyers trying to provide the governemnt
with the best legal advice? What are you out of your fucking minds? The last fucking advice they gave was to fucking torture people. This should have a deeply chilling effect. It should make fucking sure that the best legal advice is fucking LEGAL!

God damn it, these people are assholes.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:31 PM
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15. Does McCain wish for his Vietnamese torturers to be absolved as well?
Just wondering.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:43 PM
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17. Not Obama's call. (nt)
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:52 PM
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18. Providing poor legal advice is always undesirable
lol

Yeah and 183 waterboarding seems legal to somebody.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 03:08 PM
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19. Bush condoned it and he was in charge
so 'his head should roll'
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 03:10 PM
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21. I thought we neutered Lieberfuck's pathetic ass back in January!
He's like Jason from the Friday the 13th movies...keeps coming back from the political dead! :mad:
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 03:12 PM
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22. I don't know whether to laugh or get estatic
this is like finding the biggest diamond mankind has ever seen.

Woot....these three???

Remember the crapolla they pulled regarding Obama....they knew alright, they knew
what was coming, and they saw the signs on the wall.


THEY ARE TOAST!!!
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 03:31 PM
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23. Here they go again..
the three Funkateers,they think that they will gain some upper hand because McCain was tortured..
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 03:42 PM
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24. World to McCain, Graham and Lieberman: No one gives a CRAP what you think.
Is it 2012 yet? We can be rid of these buffoons soon enough.
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Rebel Scum Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 03:43 PM
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25. Some one needs to remind them again...they lost!
But now BO has some paper to house train the new dog...
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