Underestimation: The O Administration

[vaberella]

I have heard on this site when I joined all about Rove. Rovian tactics, Rove this or Rove that. Many people said that's crap. Rove isn't as smart as some people like to think. Other's said Rove was extremely ingenious in his tactics (of course those were a limited few). However I think now, Rove and so many others have met a man with a team that are beyond the "normal" initiatives.

I don't think O is a genius of the first water although his resume would argue otherwise. But I do think he is most definitely a lawyer inside and out and he's extremely knowledgable in how government works and the American people and their wants.

I seriously have to say even Rove has never met someone like O and his admin...I mean sure Rahm sort of fumbled a few nights ago..but over all he's the man. On another front, the moves O has made are just impressive. He takes a level of heat...heat a few of us knew would not last in the long run. A few of us suspected something was up. Others compared it to chess...when I think it's not. I remember a poster who said, (paraphrasing) "It's not that O is playing chess while we play checkers. What people don't see is that there are two games being played. O is playing one, while everyone else is playing another." I think that's fitting right now.


Another poster said, "I'll wait before I get egg on my face." Apparently he was speaking from experience.

I noticed a lot of people disgusted by O, I have to admit I don't see them posting after this event. Most of whom I understood their feelings.

I'm currently watching MSNBC and I really dislike Chuck Todd and that twit Andrea Mitchell. As I mentioned in my first statement...rather than listening to O, they claim the left was pushing this. I won't say the left has made themselves loud. But O doesn't represent the left alone. The nation is not 100% left. He's representing our best interest and I'd like to give him his dues. The man (President O) is a lawyer and he never really backpedaled. People around him said things, he never said he wasn't prosecute these guys. His focus was always around the CIA agents who carried out the actions.

All in all this post is just my thoughts on the situation and the amount of underestimation of our President. I realize we're not used to this...especially after 8 years of drama. However, I think in future it would be best, and this is for the supporters even the reluctant ones, for us to give the Pres some leeway in what he plans on doing before we jump up and down in righteous indignation. In the end it just divides the board. Then if things are still not changing we should mobilize. However, I'd like to not get into fights and annoyance when we don't have all the facts or the news.

This was something I realized when there was so much info being thrown at me all over the place with many contradicting points. Then within a few days we have things moving as we should. In any event, this is a board I like and I fully support and believe in O and his advocacy of change. I'd like to give him the breadth of time to make changes. Bush had 8 years to run us into the ground. It can't take O 90 days to magic wand our troubles away.


Little post on commentary.

[ginnyinWI]

1. You are so right.

He is playing a different game. He's thinking outside the proverbial box--he's got a brilliant mind and uses it.

I've learned to reserve judgement on this man, because it takes the brightest among us several days or more to figure out what he's doing and where it will go.

In addition to the smarts you mentioned, I think he's got a very keen knowledge of human nature--a lot more than the average.

[tabatha]

2. Yes, you summarized it well.

He is playing a different game because he is not playing politics. His mission is to get this country on the correct path, by listening considering, planning and moving. He is not trying to implement an agenda like the Republicans. He is also not worried about himself at all. All one got when Bush approached the microphone or the public was - here I am, aren't I great. Look at my swagger.

[FrenchieCat]

3. CYNIC: One who is prematurely disappointed with the future based on the past

Iagree that the Cynics who attempt to shake
the faith of those who really feel we "know" who Barack Obama is,
don't do it because of anything so much about this President,
but because of their experience with the past administration,
including the let downs that they known time and time again.

So to those cynics who may be reading this,
I simply recommend the practice of the virtue called patience...
whether it is on subjects such as NAFTA, Education, Health Care, etc...
Whatever you see on the surface, make sure to look into the nuance,
and the political roadblocks that might answer the reason for any given approach.

That said, I believe that this President wants to hear from us,
and so I don't discourage speaking out when one sees the necessity....
We are afterall, the ones that we have been waiting for.

I recommend to those who haven't, to read both of Barack Obama's books,
as they provide a clear purview of where he is coming from,
as well as where he is going.

We have the makings of one of the greatest President in our history on our hands....
and we should appreciate that possibility.

And yes, he is playing a differen game,
Which is why, in not following the rules of the game the others played,
he is now our President.

[vaberella]

8. +1. Excellent post. n/t

[HopeOverFear]

4. The next outrage du jour: NAFTA

trust me, they'll move onto something else now that they can't bitch about this anymore.

[FrenchieCat]

5. According to the administration, NAFTA can be amended without being re-opened....

So there is not there, there.

[Egnever]

9. When has that stopped them?

The sad thing is a lot of people read the ridiculous screeds and buy into them not knowing any better.

[Hellataz]

6. Good Post. nt

[Cha]

7. Thanks Vabrella for your commentary and

if anyone wants to give andrea and chuck a heads up on reality..here's their email addys.

Andrea Mitchell [e-mail]

Chuck Todd
E-mail: [e-mail]

[mzmolly]

10. I would simply prefer to judge the body of Obama's work as President

once he's had more than a few months to muddle through the complex bag of sh*t he's been left with.

[Hutzpa]

11. Are you trying to take away Nances' title????

B-) Thats a fight I would pay big bucks to see...anyways

excellent post, excellent summation...

:thumbsup:


:kick:

[Froward69]

12. I was one who

did not support Obama in the primary's... initially... It took awhile for me to warm up to him. This was only my own caution.

However now I am close to becoming more than a supporter, more than a fan... but an honest to god fanatic.

he proves himself every day it would seem. and Like "Teflon president regan" Obama has (like the repugs are starting to howl) a Bubble. More like a force field to me. not that i would tarnish his armor in any way. but to have a President I agree with at most every turn is indeed refreshing.
Sometimes I do not agree with him... (like the marijuana question and thus his laughter or dragging his feet on torture) but he then surprises me with his actually doing what I agree with.

Waiting for the iron to be hot enough to strike I guess.

If I were young enough I would enlist.

I am still waiting for the legalizing pot part though.

[vaberella]

16. +1. n/t

[ginnyinWI]

19. It is said about Reagan that he talked like a conservative,

but governed like a moderate. That's why he was as successful as he was, and why conservatives are convinced that the conservative agenda actually works. They think Reagan was one.

Maybe this president will succeed by talking like a centrist but then actually governing to the left of that. Sounds like a plan to me! Not to the point of dishonesty, mind you--just a matter of emphasis.

[Adelante]

13. Thank you

Recommended.

[annabanana]

14. If you look AT THE WORDS that Obama has used, from day one..

HE has been saying the same thing all along.

It's the interpretations of his words that have changed. The assumptions of the press have run full speed in the wrong direction.

When he repeats what he has always said, they think he's changed direction.

The press is a stupid many-headed beast that moves by consensus, not by thought.

[vaberella]

15. Exactly, so then he's forced to basically clarify over and over and over again.

It's like the reporters are deaf and some looney "leftists" too.

[AtomicKitten]

17. Excellent post. Thank you.

:applause:

[GeorgeGist]

18. Nonsense.