Oh, No, He DIY'NT!!!

[NanceGreggs]

Another week of the Obama Presidency passes – and oh, no, he diy’nt …

He didn’t ignore any intelligence briefings that resulted in a major attack on NYC and Washington D.C.

He didn’t allow anyone on his staff to out a covert CIA agent.

He didn’t direct that anyone be tortured while touting his “I’m a good Christian” credentials.

He didn’t launch a “Shock & Awe” offensive against a nation he claimed had WMDs which were never there.

He didn’t go on vacation while a US city was left to drown.

He didn’t use the words “misunderestimate” or “put food on your family” – no, not even once.

He didn’t address a single crisis by reading “The Pet Goat” to a schoolroom full of kids.

He didn’t land on an aircraft carrier anywhere, at any time – photographed in front of a “Mission Accomplished” banner or otherwise.

He didn’t embarrass the nation by acting like a buffoon on the world stage.

He didn’t fall off a bike or choke on a pretzel in a drunken stupor, and call it an “unfortunate accident”.

He didn’t appeal to anyone’s paranoia, homophobia, or xenophobia in order to advance any agenda.

He didn’t babble incoherently in front of a microphone or TV camera, requiring scores of MSM talking hairdos to spend hours “explaining” what he really meant to say.

He didn’t hand out any no-bid contracts to companies in which his family and/or VP or cabinet members are major shareholders.

He didn’t give Jeff Gannon press credentials, no less call on him during a press conference.

He didn’t resort to discussing the “Axis of Evil”, nor any other scare tactic to instil fear in the citizenry.

He didn’t attempt to give Angela Merkel a back massage, nor insist on speaking to any foreign leader with his mouth full of food.

He didn’t greet a single foreign dignitary, military leader, organization representative, soldier, charity head, nor ordinary citizen (foreign or domestic) with a chimp-like smirk and the profound words, “Heh-heh.”

Considering the glorious history of our nation – with the glaring exception of the past eight years – it seems downright astonishing that we, as a country, can now revel in the simple joy of a president who doesn’t make a complete ass of himself, and us, every time he opens his mouth in public.

Seems like a lifetime since that happened. And I, for one, just can’t seem to get the smile off my face.

Thanks, President Obama – not only for what you’re doing, but for all the things you don’t do. I appreciate it more than I can say.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. Amen, Nance!

Isn't this some kind of miracle?

K&R

:hug:

[BlooInBloo]

2. Suggested thread theme song...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCvIw7DMHXc

[grantcart]

3. He also didn't push me to the edge of reason

[AtomicKitten]

4. So that's what competence looks like!

[FrenchieCat]

5. We hadn't seen it in so long,

its almost like we forgot what its like, hey?

It is a great feeling! :thumbsup:

[AtomicKitten]

18. hey, he pinged this 3-pointer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j87k1j4CpOw

[OwnedByFerrets]

6. Yes, that is great Nance....and I say that with NO

sarcasm in my voice....but there is so much more that he DIDNT do that he SHOUDA done.
Like tell Holder to reverse the charges against Gov. Siegelman. OR telling Holder to being investigations into war crimes.
Yes, I appreciate those things too, but I intend to keep pushing for those OTHER things he DIDNT do.

[FrenchieCat]

10. Calling a game at the top of the first inning is idiotic,

But I guess folks need something to do. :shrug:

[OwnedByFerrets]

13. You lost your credibility a long time ago.

Don't bother answering. I am going to mute you again. Something I regret ever undoing.

[BlooInBloo]

44. You can't mute anyone. You can only cover your ears and whine.

[OwnedByFerrets]

92. Actually, you are only half way correct.....I can't mute, but

I can damn sure ignore. The part that was incorrect was the whine part. I am not a sycophant like some are here.

[DevonRex]

49. The only one whose credibility has been lost is you. Mute me too,

if you haven't already. I'll reciprocate gladly.

[OwnedByFerrets]

93. How does one lose credibility by questioning authority?

And btw, ya cant lose what you never had. Since I never had cred with you, I cant lose it.:P

[cboy4]

82. ...

:spray:

[NanceGreggs]

23. And don't stop pushing ...

... ever. It's not just about HIM; it's about US.

[bjobotts]

89. Agreed,but isn't just wonderful to have an articulate president willing to listen

[OwnedByFerrets]

94. Yes, as I stated in my post. Its wonderful and I love what

a GREAT orator he is. He fills the world with hope.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

90. The first thing that came to mind when I read this post was how he didn't and will never hold

THEM accountable. ...I bet Jeb Bush will give it a run in 2012.

[JayMusgrove]

7. By the way, did you notice how we haven't heard a word, or seen

a press release on Bush for a few weeks now?

Do you think he's doing anything other than getting drunk these days?

Did he give up golf again this year for Lent?

Has he commented on any subject, (even the basketball March Madness brackets), since his retirement?

We never even heard what he said to a private audience in Canada.

Seems like we have heard TOO much from Cheney and (thankfully) NOT A DAMN THING from Bush.

[rvablue]

64. Cheney needs to follow Shrub and shut up. It's the one great decision I think the Shrub

has ever made. That is, to keep his yap shut and let President Obama try to fix the horrible mess Shrub created over the past 8 years.

Unfortunately, his minions like Ari Fleisher, Karl Rove and Dana Perino have been all over my teevee. But it looks like their tone-deaf PR campaign has failed and indeed, Shrub will go down as one of the worst presidents in history.

[rhett o rick]

70. I think that Pres Obama made a deal with the devils. He told bush that if he didn't pardon anyone

and kept his/their mouths shut that he and Cheney would be free from investigation/prosecution. bush understood, Cheney can't keep his mouth shut if his life depended on it.

Dear Pres Obama. If you don't want to prosecute bush/cheney for whatever reason, please give us Yo, Rove, Rummy, Berto, and Meir.

[Name removed]

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[paparush]

8. It must be baseball season because Nance just knocked that one out of the park!

Excellent as always Nance!

[rhett o rick]

9. Love you dearly Nance but...how do you feel about him "didn't" prosecute bush/cheney

for war crimes. This is very important. I am terrified that he will let these subhumans that are responsible for over a million deaths, go free.
I can't get over this hurdle.
I am not a Pres Obama basher, I love that he is doing so much good. But we have to have bush/cheney and the gang prosecuted. Even if it may affect his reelection.

[Political Tiger]

32. Obama is not a prosecutor.

He's a president.

While I know this need for revenge against Bush/Cheney is great amongst some people, to lay it all at Obama's feet is not only unfair, it's unrealistic.

[rhett o rick]

38. The desire for justice horrible war crimes isn't "revenge". Do you think bush/cheney

should not be prosecuted? And don't you think Pres Obama has a lot of say in who gets investigated and prosecuted?

I don't think there is much argument that bush/cheney committed horrible war crimes killing over a million and torturing hundreds. Cheney is most likely responsible for multiple deaths in the US for political purposes. And I still think that 9/11 needs serious investigation. These killers are still on the loose wreaking havoc.

[Political Tiger]

41. It's a fine line between revenge and justice.

Wasn't "justice" one of the many excuses used to invade Iraq??

Was the hanging of Saddam Hussein justice or revenge? Was the "justice" directed at Saddam Hussein worth it?

"An eye for eye only ends up making the whole world blind."
-Mahatma Gandhi

[rhett o rick]

43. Do you believe that bush/cheney should be tried for war crimes or let go? nm

[Political Tiger]

48. I can think of many things Bush/Cheney should be tried for.

But what I want is unimportant.

Many people think Clinton should be tried for "war crimes." Should he? We already tried (impeached) him once in the name of "justice." Should he now be tried for perceived "war crimes" he supposedly committed in Bosnia? Many have made that argument for years. What about his bombing of Baghdad as "justice" for the so-called Iraqi plot to assassinate George HW Bush? Or his actions towards Afghanistan and/or Sudan?

But let's not stop there.

What about Reagan? Should we dig him up and try him for his many crimes? Should Roosevelt have been tried for his "war crimes?" How about Abraham Lincoln? It can be argued he committed "war crimes." Many say some of, if not all our earliest presidents committed "war crimes" against Native-Americans.

As Noam Chomsky said, "If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged."

It's a slippery slope here.

On this thread there is a person who states "Obama appointed to the Treasury a man whose credentials and actions are more likely to send them both to prison or impeachment, along with the rest of the initial economic team."

So after we put Bush in jail, do we go after Obama?

[rhett o rick]

53. Help me understand what you are sayin. You don't think that our current government should

investigate and prosecute bush/cheney because there have been other war crimes that went unpunished?

It is that logic that has us way down the slippery slope. The war criminals come back to repeat.

I say go for broke. We have already lost free-America. Punishing the war criminals might start us on the slippery slope back to freedom.

[TankLV]

46. to answer your questions:

It was REVENGE coupled with ARROGANCE and POLITICAL EXPEDIENCY to invade Iraq.

It was a WAR CRIME and a travesty of any semblence to try, let alone execute Saddam, and pure REVENGE.

IGNORING WAR CRIMES is in itself an INJUSTICE, and is in no way shape or form even comparable to what bush* and the other WAR CRIMINALS did...

not even a "nice try" but and EPIC FAIL on your part...

[Political Tiger]

50. As I said, it's a fine line between justice and revenge.

One person's "justice" is another's "revenge, consequently, one person's "revenge" is another's "justice."

I think you proved my point.

[rhett o rick]

76. And your point is...........

Let me guess, you don't think bush/cheney should be tried for war crimes because "there is a fine line betwee justice and revenge"?

You have never answered the question as to whether you think our government should investigate and prosecute bush/cheney for war crimes.

[Political Tiger]

81. I know you want a simple yes or no answer

And the simple answer is yes.

A somewhat more detailed answer can be found here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8323480&mesg_id=8323719

Oh, by the way, you never answered if you think Clinton, Reagan, Roosevelt, Lincoln, etc. should have been tried for their "war crimes?"

[rhett o rick]

96. My response is in that thread. nm

[TankLV]

45. It has to everything to do with JUSTICE, and absolutely nothing at all to do with "revenge"...

to make such a statement is pathetic at best...

[Political Tiger]

51. Sure...and the impeachment of Clinton

was all about "justice," right?

Often times, "justice" is in the eye of the beholder.

[rhett o rick]

74. Clinton was impeached for lying about sex, bush murdered over a million.

Try to keep some perspective.

[Political Tiger]

80. The problem is this is not about "justice," it's about YOU.

It's about your lust for what you call "justice." You're more concerned about it than most of the survivors of the "over a million" Bush "murdered." Common sense tells me that they, not you, should have more of a vested interest in seeing Bush prosecuted. Yet no massive protests by the victims of the "over a million " by Bush! One would think the families and friends of those "over a million " by Bush would be making sure their voices are heard all over the world, by, for instance, holding huge demonstrations throughout their country, yet as a whole these "over a million" seem rather passive on the issue. Strange.

Why is it more important to you than than the actual victims of Bush's mass murders? Could it be your need for revenge?

You see, because I am able to take a dispassionate stand on the issue, I am able to keep it all in perspective. You. on the other hand, are driven by pure emotion, by the need to get even with someone you hate. I hate Bush too, but at the same time I am able to think clearly and see the whole picture, not just the parts I want to see.

[rhett o rick]

95. You continue to call justice, revenge. The two are distinctly different.

If someone robbed you and you had them arrested, is that revenge?

If someone killed your child and you had them arrested, is that revenge?

Not to me in either case.

As far as the poor survivors in Iraq, most are starving and don’t have the luxury of protesting. Their immediate concern is survival. But their children and grandchildren will not forget and most likely try to fly planes into our buildings.

As for my “lust” for justice (and I will concede that there is revenge mixed in), George W. Bush and Richard Cheney acted as my representatives when they brutally murdered over a million innocent Iraqi’s and tortured over a hundred to death. I am responsible because they acted in my behalf. Just like the Germans during Hitler’s reign are responsible, I am responsible, as are you.

Do you refuse to answer my question? Do you think our government should investigate and prosecute the bush administration for war crimes?

[MadMaddie]

97. It's only been 3 months

There are more pressing issues....

Look Spain has started the ball rolling and it will gain momentum...

The Hague will not be far off...President Obama has to pick his battles wisely right now....he cannot get sidetracked by trying to appear as the leader of this effort.

Eric Holder is already starting to make changes and he will find more evidence of crimes that cannot be ignored.

What is the saying about justice being slow...it is sometimes. I would rather have the case(s) evidence so carefully documented and precise that there are no loopholes for these scumbags to squeeze through.

Being impatient and hasty can allow mistakes and the possibility that they could walk.

[rhett o rick]

98. I am coming around. I can't help being impatient to get them behind bars

where they can't kill again.

[zeemike]

11. It almost seems like a dream now.

And to think it went on for 8 frigging years.

[Mira]

12. Perfect rundown of what we were spared this week, we the deserving, we the worn down.

The more I get to watch and listen to our President competently and thoughtfully and responsibly go about our business, the more glaring what has been done to us becomes.
And we struggled so to make it stop.

Gracias a Dios that horrible chapter has closed to the degree we don't have to see/hear/suffer having any more of it along with the monstrous embarassments.

You described it well, and I applaud you.

:kick:

[Political Heretic]

14. These are absolutely fantastic didn'ts! We need to be looking for the "dids" as well:

Not a day goes by when I'm not greatful this man is President and not either Bush or McCain. This list of "didn'ts" is part of the reason why. At the same time, we also need to be looking forward to the "dids" as well. It will never, ever, ever be enough to simply be "better" than that trash. Being "better" than the worst president in history is not a high bar, and its not enough to salvage our country that has gone so far off the rails in so many areas.

Now, I'm going to choose my words to express my feelings very carefully so pay attention to the words and try not to "read in" a bunch of stuff to what I say:


I am strongly opposed to the chosen financial recovery strategy

I have deep regrets that EFCA was not made more of a policy priority

I have profound uncertainty about the Presidents proposed strategy in the Middle East

I am saddened, but do not blame president for not chosen to focus more agressively on bringing criminals from the last administration to justice.

I am worried about our civil rights, especially privacy, given a President that voted for FISA and has authorized his Department of Justice to maintain Bush Admistration arguments on several secrecy and civil rights cases. I don't fully know what that means yet - I don't understand why its being done, only that organizations that I trust deeply are extremely upset (such as the ACLU).

Notice that in all of these statements, there's only two where someone might say that my mind is pretty made up. I oppose this financial recovery strategy and I'm not sure what it would take to change my mind. I'm really sad that the adminsitration elected not to make EFCA more of a policy priorty when it was introduced in congress.

But beyond that, mostly what I have are questions and uncertainties. So I am thrilled that our President represents such a refreshing change from the horror and disgrace that was George W. Bush. But I'm full of uncertainty about where we are headed.

I'm going to be talking about that. People are just going to have to get used to it. Sometimes I'll be upset at the adminsitration for something I feel is a mistake. Sometimes I'll be thrilled with the administration for something I feel is major victory. And sometimes I'll just be - as much as we have come to demonize this word here on DU - concerned.

And that's just the way it is.


Oh yeah.... K&R

[quickesst]

26. That's all good and well....

...and I agree with you. I just hope that the even-handed critics/praisers will seek to separate themselves from the obvious anti-Obama crowd who have a clear agenda of undermining everything this president does. I am always disappointed that people who conduct themselves as you do either come to the rescue of the "agenda" crowd, erroneously believing the push-back is directed at them, or they say nothing at all. If I see something written, and recognize that it is not directed at me and my views, I do not seek to make it my own just because it is a twisted version, and has a few similarities. That is just my personal opinion, and it carries over into many more issues being "discussed" here. They are not your friends, or your allies. Thanks.
quickesst

[Political Heretic]

28. You know I'm trying to figure out how to do that. The best I can figure is just calling them out..

I'll have to perhaps start trying to call out some of these morons who give normal reasonable people a bad name.

I did this during the primaries. As an Obama supporter, when some full blood irrational Clinton haters would make comments I would give my standard "**THIS IS AN OBAMA POLICE ACTION***" subject line and then call them out for being dicks. :)

Maybe that will help.

[Laurab]

15. Me too! Thanks, Nance! K&R nt

[JohnnyLib2]

16. Nice one!

:applause:

[AwakeAtLast]

17. Thank you for the clear and logical thoughts about our great President

A hearty K & R for you!

:kick:

[Demeter]

19. On the Other Hand....

Obama appointed to the Treasury a man whose credentials and actions are more likely to send them both to prison or impeachment, along with the rest of the initial economic team. These Wall Street revolving-door financiers are gutting our economy and rewarding their buddies and future employers with sums beyond the ability of our understanding, let alone our pocketbooks.

Yes, it's nice that we don't have a complete fool in the highest office of the land.

It would be better if we had someone who knew anything about the economy, economic theory, or just how to pick a good Treasurer.

[Every Man A King]

20. You think Pres Obama should go to prison? n/t

[Demeter]

22. I think It's a Possibility Unless he Repudiates Summers, Geithner, et al.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

39. I think this may be the funniest post I have ever read on DU

n/t

[Political Tiger]

36. LOL!

Great! One poster on this thread is wondering why Obama hasn't put Bush & Cheney in jail yet, and now we have one ready to put Obama in jail!
:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:

[ccharles000]

21. Excellent as always

[The Wizard]

24. "He didn’t embarrass the nation by acting like a buffoon...."

Bush wasn't acting.

[polmaven]

58. You've got a point there, Wizard...

It was not an act.

[ekwhite]

25. Thank Vishnu for an intelligent president

While I don't agree with everything Obama has done, I don't have to cringe when his name is mentioned.

[MannyGoldstein]

27. He *Didn't* Stick Up For The Middle Class

He's feeding what's left of us to the bankers. But he's doing it so smoothly that it doesn't hurt a bit.

[Political Heretic]

29. He hasn't done "nothing" for the middle class

His domestic spending priorities are first rate - hard to get better than what he's had on ARR and the Budget

But his approach to the financial crisis I agree, is woefully lacking.

[Fearless]

30. He is allowing gay people to be murdered in Iraq...

:banghead:

[geek tragedy]

56. To the extent he's allowing people to be murdered in the

United States. Those murders are horrifying, but the guy isn't superman or jesus.

[Fearless]

65. I repeat... he's letting the Iraqi government kill gays.

I don't see how it takes superman or jesus to stop this.

[geek tragedy]

73. I misread your comment, sorry.

Yeah, something needs to be done about that.

[Fearless]

86. OK

:thumbsup:

[chasitynola]

31. Isn't it nice

that we don't have to hold our collective breaths when our President goes overseas? Ahhh. Sweet relief.

[Butch350]

33. I'll buy that for a dollar!

[L0oniX]

34. He didn't go after the war crimes perpetrators as well.

[saltpoint]

35. Agree. I like the new guy and I'm smiling the same smile.

Recommended.

[Irishonly]

37. What he did do

was make us proud. Has anyone else noticed you are not holding your breath when he starts to speak? After eight years of hoping when Bush opened his mouth, no words would come I now look forward to hearing what our president has to say.

[immoderate]

40. Well he puts on a good show...

I hope he gets around to changing policy pretty soon.

--imm

[indimuse]

42. Bravo!

KNR!:kick: :)

[firedupdem]

47. K&R Thanks Nance! n/t

[WyoHiker]

52. Time to raise the bar

I can't celebrate the man just because he's better than W.

I DEMAND that our presidents be better than W.

So, he's cleared this hurdle. whoo effin' hoo.

On to bigger and better things, please?

[ginnyinWI]

54. I watched the replay of the Prague speech this morning.

I saw another John F. Kennedy. I saw another Jackie Kennedy too.

So proud of our leader now. :patriot:

[LittleGirl]

55. Our Global President

I love sitting here in Germany, clicking through the European news channels and having scores shown cheering on our President. I tell ya, the smile never leaves my face with that kind of news! Thanks Nance

[NanceGreggs]

59. Welcome to DU, LittleGirl!

Here's a :hi: from across the miles!

[bigwillq]

68. Hello.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[Catshrink]

57. And yet, still no dog.

[LuckyLib]

60. And let us, as we respect the tough decisions and understand

the huge mountain of shit that Obama has inherited, at least "revel in the simple joy of a president who doesn’t make a complete ass of himself, and us, every time he opens his mouth in public."

In my house, when I hear the voice of the President, I'm saying "turn that up" rather than "shut that idiot off!" It's wonderful!

[TheKentuckian]

61. Pushing for what is needed and appreciating many ( even if by some estimates, tiny) steps

in the right direction are not even close to mutually exclusive. I think friction would drastically be reduced if people would keep that in mind when discussing our progress (and lack thereof).

Having thick skin, remembering that a spoon full of sugar helps the medicine go down, and not being upset that some are relatively content (especially considering who large segments of the population have been pleased with over the last thirty years or so) would make the quality of discourse go up by leaps and bounds.

One downside of passion is increased likelihood of emotion fueled responses. In our fucked up system we're as close to all being on the same side as we can get but spend more energy witch hunting our own than keeping the ever pesky and malevolent wolves at bay.

[Dollface]

62. I was wondering why I couldn't watch enough of his visit. It was disbelief mixed with relief.

[Mira]

63. He also didn't stand at a podium and lean forward garbling:"Lunch awaits us".

[Wetzelbill]

66. I'm pretty sure he told somebody to bring it on though

I remember that one....

[NanceGreggs]

67. Ha ha!

:hi:

[Wetzelbill]

71. jeez it almost seems odd to see you around here

instead of facebook.:)

[NanceGreggs]

72. I have the same feeling ...

... when I see YOU here!

[Vinca]

69. Well said. And I haven't seen him clear brush once.

[trof]

75. Yeah, read this!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8323619

[Enthusiast]

77. Nance strikes again! K&R nt

[Senator]

78. Sorry, But He Did Direct That Torture Be Continued...

...by failing (for literally years) to acknowledge their suffering and call for impeachment/prosecution/punishment of their perpetrators -- as he was treaty-boung to do.

He is extending their ordeal. And his failure is worse than the bushcheney crimes. (Yes, worse. A few criminals, we can stand -- a corrupt police force, we cannot.)

Unless and until he stops "looking away forward" it matters very little about what else he did or didn't do.

Because he "didn't" begin to Redeem Our National Soul.

--

[gmoney]

83. And the Red River area was flooding while he was off in Europe...

Not saying he did wrong, but he isn't filling sandbags at the moment.

[NanceGreggs]

84. Has it ever occurred to you that ...

... if asked, your fellow citizens would fill-in-the-blank in the statement "Unless and until he deals with ________, it matters very little what else he did or didn't do," differently than you have?

How about homelessness, joblessness, affordable health care, the economy, the environment, withdrawal from Iraq/Afghanistan, improved education, an increase in scientific/medical research, a return to fiscal sanity, an end to corporate excess, more stringent laws to protect wildlife, more oversight/regulation over food products allowed into the marketplace - as you can see, thanks to BushCo and those who supported him, the list is lengthy and covers a myriad of issues in need of action.

To say that the issue you perceive as the MOST important trumps everyone else's immediate concern is naive at best, and arrogant in the extreme.

I don't know how many hours comprise your day, but for President Obama (and the rest of us), it's still limited to twenty-four. That means priorities must be set, and some goals we all hope to be reached must wait in abeyance.

I, too, am anxious to see the torturers brought to justice. But I accept that what may be a matter of urgency for me might well be lower down on the list for others.

"He didn't begin to Redeem our National Soul."

Tell the mother of a child who goes to bed hungry every night that redeeming our national soul is not a matter of ensuring her child, and everyone else's child, is well-nourished.

Tell the jobless who can't find work that redeeming our national soul isn't about putting Americans back to work, and ending the outsourcing of jobs to cheaper labor markets.

Tell the spouse of a soldier deployed in the Middle East that redeeming our national soul doesn't start with bringing the troops home NOW, rather than LATER.

Tell the hard-working couple who are about to be bankrupted by medical bills that redeeming our national soul doesn't require an immediate complete overhaul of our healthcare system.

There is much to be dealt with, much evil to be undone, many wrongs to be righted - all being of more or less importance, depending on who you are and what you are living with.

As much as I want to see war criminals brought to justice, I am willing to stand in line behind hungry children, jobless Americans, anxious military spouses, and those about to be bankrupted through no fault of their own.

That doesn't make me complacent or uncommitted - it makes me human, and aware that my fellow citizens may have more pressing problems than seeing Bush & Co behind bars.

I inhabit this world among others, whose needs and desires, although different from mine, are of no less value than my own.

You might want to think about that - before declaring that your concept of the Redemption of our National Soul is the ONLY one that is meaningful or worthwhile.

[Senator]

99. Sure. But has it ever occurred to you that...

...if asked what "issue" they feel we have the right to torture our way to solving, they might "fill-in-the-blank" NONE?

You might want to think about that - before speaking for them.

---

[NanceGreggs]

100. Totally off topic ...

We weren't discussing whether the average American feels we have a right to torture - that is an entirely different subject.

What I took issue with was your statement that we haven't redeemed our soul as a nation, and there are many who would say that "redeeming our soul" is dependent on addressing things that you or I may not see as as much a priority as others do.

[Senator]

101. Yes. Your post certainly was...

...because we were discussing Obama's responsibility for ongoing torture. No one else's.

What you took issue with was something that wasn't said.

Be that as it may, a torturing nation has no right to even begin (what was said) considering other "priorities" or "issues" as a path to redemption.

This is the depth to which Obama has taken us and keeps us.

--

[NanceGreggs]

102. "A torturing nation has no right to even begin ...

... considering other priorities or issues as a path to redemption."

I must have missed the decree that appointed you sole decision-maker when it comes to what constitutes the "path to redemption".

[Senator]

104. While that does bear repeating, thanks...

...I thought I must have missed the point where you make a decision to say something that constitutes a response to the substance of my posts.

But I've checked again and no, no you diy'nt.

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[BobTheSubgenius]

79. Nice perspective on things.

As always.....thanks.

[grahamhgreen]

85. Should you really set such a high bar?

[GinaMaria]

87. Hey! It's only been 11 weeks. Give him a chance!

:P

[ladym55]

88. HOWEVER ...

He DID use a teleprompter to read a prepared statement to the press AND he gave an I-Pod to Queen Elizabeth.

Excuse me while I'm overcome by my feigned outrage. I'm going to the fainting couch.

[newtothegame]

91. Racist filth. Alerted. n/t

[Lilith Velkor]

103. Maybe/maybe not, but adding a Y to "DI' NT" makes the post look pretty fucking dumb.

[MagickMuffin]

106. In all fairness, “The Pet Goat” was read to W, he isn't capable of reading on that level

And Obama didn't talk with his mouth full while cursing/cussing.