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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 10:34 PM
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Frank Rich: Has a (Obama's) 'Katrina moment' arrived?
Edited on Sat Mar-21-09 10:43 PM by brentspeak


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/22/opinion/22rich.html

By FRANK RICH
Published: March 21, 2009
A CHARMING visit with Jay Leno won’t fix it. A 90 percent tax on bankers’ bonuses won’t fix it. Firing Timothy Geithner won’t fix it. Unless and until Barack Obama addresses the full depth of Americans’ anger with his full arsenal of policy smarts and political gifts, his presidency and, worse, our economy will be paralyzed. It would be foolish to dismiss as hyperbole the stark warning delivered by Paulette Altmaier of Cupertino, Calif., in a letter to the editor published by The Times last week: “President Obama may not realize it yet, but his Katrina moment has arrived.”

Six weeks ago I wrote in this space that the country’s surge of populist rage could devour the president’s best-laid plans, including the essential Act II of the bank rescue, if he didn’t get in front of it. The occasion then was the Tom Daschle firestorm. The White House seemed utterly blindsided by the public’s revulsion at the moneyed insiders’ culture illuminated by Daschle’s post-Senate career. Yet last week’s events suggest that the administration learned nothing from that brush with disaster.

Otherwise it never would have used Lawrence Summers, the chief economic adviser, as a messenger just as the A.I.G. rage was reaching a full boil last weekend. Summers is so tone-deaf that he makes Geithner seem like Bobby Kennedy.

Bob Schieffer of CBS asked Summers the simple question that has haunted the American public since the bailouts began last fall: “Do you know, Dr. Summers, what the banks have done with all of this money that has been funneled to them through these bailouts?” What followed was a monologue of evasion that, translated into English, amounted to: Not really, but you little folk needn’t worry about it.

Yet even as Summers spoke, A.I.G. was belatedly confirming what he would not. It has, in essence, been laundering its $170 billion in taxpayers’ money by paying off its reckless partners in gambling and greed, from Goldman Sachs and Citigroup on Wall Street to Société Générale and Deutsche Bank abroad...

...To get ahead of the anger, Obama must do what he has repeatedly promised but not always done: make everything about his economic policies transparent and hold every player accountable. His administration must start actually answering the questions that officials like Geithner and Summers routinely duck.

Inquiring Americans have the right to know why it took six months for us to learn (some of) what A.I.G. did with our money. We need to understand why some of that money was used to bail out foreign banks. And why Goldman, which declared that its potential losses with A.I.G. were “immaterial,” nonetheless got the largest-known A.I.G. handout of taxpayers’ cash ($12.9 billion) while also receiving a TARP bailout. We need to be told why retention bonuses went to some 50 bankers who not only were in the toxic A.I.G. unit but who left despite the “retention” jackpots. We must be told why taxpayers have so little control of the bailed-out financial institutions that we now own some or most of. And where are the M.R.I.’s from those “stress tests” the Treasury Department is giving those banks?

...

...As the nation’s anger rose last week, the president took responsibility for what’s happening on his watch — more than he needed to, given the disaster he inherited. But in the credit mess, action must match words. To fall short would be to deliver us into the catastrophic hands of a Republican opposition whose only known economic program is to reject job-creating stimulus spending and root for Obama and, by extension, the country to fail. With all due deference to Ponzi schemers from Madoff to A.I.G., this would be the biggest outrage of them all.



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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 10:36 PM
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1. Why should this be a Katrina moment?
No one has died. Why would anyone use the tragedy of the Katrina deaths as a comparison? Crazy isn't it?
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Top Cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 10:51 PM
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8. Sad....
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Stellabella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 11:06 PM
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14. Exactly.
Bush's reaction to Katrina was apathy and ignorance, a city was destroyed and hundreds lost their lives. President Obama is doing his best to reverse the damage of the last eight, and, as a matter of fact, the last 30 years of repuke ruin.

This is more than a case of comparing apples and oranges. It's comparing turds (bush) to oranges.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 12:03 AM
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23. You think that no one has died from the economic collapse? Seriously?
Huh.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 10:41 AM
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31. TOTALLY! Here's some pics of dead folks from the economic collapse!
Edited on Sun Mar-22-09 10:42 AM by BlooInBloo


Oops. No - that's Katrina.
Wait - HERE'S one!



Dammit - Katrina again.
This has GOTTA be one!



Gah - still Katrina.
Katrina, Katrina, Katrina.




Compare Obama to Katrina? Fuck all those who support that.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 11:34 AM
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36. L.A. man kills wife, 5 kids, himself, cops say
L.A. man kills wife, 5 kids, himself, cops say
Father apparently distraught over job problems shoots family

updated 3:23 p.m. PT, Tues., Jan. 27, 2009
LOS ANGELES - A medical technician fatally shot his wife, five young children and himself Monday after claiming in a note to a TV station that he and his wife both had just been fired from their jobs. Police urged those facing tough economic times to get help rather than resort to violence.

"Today our worst fear was realized," Los Angeles Deputy Chief Kenneth Garner said. "It's just not a solution. There's just so many ways you find alternatives to doing something so horrific and drastic as this."

In the letter he faxed to a TV station, Ervin Lupoe claimed he and his wife both had been fired and that she suggested they kill themselves and their children, too.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28876453/
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 11:40 AM
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38. Once again - not Katrina, jackass.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 11:54 AM
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41. You're rght. It will end up being much, much worse.
People lose their jobs and can't get medical treatment. Malnutrition increases. The money sources for feeding starvation victims dries up. Families can't put food on their table.

The whole infrastructure created to fight hunger, famine, and disease is collapsing because the money is no longer there.

If you're too short-sighted to realize that there this infrastructure collapse will affect millions and millions and millions of people, then may I politely suggest that perhaps you are the jackass in this discussion?
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:12 PM
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44. You shouldn't be polite about it.
He/she is a jackass.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 11:40 AM
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37. Can cash-strapped world find emergency funds for poor?
09 Mar 2009 13:34:00 GMT
Written by: Megan Rowling

Kufu Mohamed cries outside his tukul as his mother Amima arrives home with the body of his four-year-old sister Michu who died of malnutrition near Sheshemene, southern Ethiopia.
REUTERS/Radu Sigheti

http://www.alertnet.org/db/an_art/20316/2009/02/9-133427-1.htm
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 11:42 AM
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39. How the economy affects your heart.
How the economy affects your heart.

Los Angeles Times - ‎Mar 20, 2009‎

Depression, anxiety and chronic life stress all raise the risk of coronary artery disease. (Source: 1999 study in Circulation)

Stress, high blood pressure and smoking are major risk factors for cardiovascular disease. (Source: 2008 essay published by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)

Stressful events that are shared by an entire community, such as earthquakes and the Sept. 11 attacks, increase the incidence of sudden cardiac death. (Sources: 1996 study in New England Journal of Medicine, 1999 study in Circulation and 2004 study in Journal of the American College of Cardiology)

Job pressure and excessive work hours were linked to smoking in men in a study of 1,101 Australian workers. (Source: 2007 study in American Journal of Industrial Medicine)

A 33% to 40% increase in systolic blood pressure was reported among white-collar Canadian workers with high levels of cumulative work stress. (Source: 2006 study in American Journal of Public Health)

A direct link between psychological distress and poor cardiovascular health was found in a study of 6,576 Scottish men and women tracked for an average of more than seven years.

Risk of cardiovascular disease and death rose by more than 50% among people with depression and anxiety in the Scottish study. Smoking accounted for 41% of the risk; high blood pressure was responsible for an additional 13%. (Source: 2008 study in Journal of the American College of Cardiology)

Almost double the risk of heart attack or death was found in coronary artery disease patients with the highest level of anxiety.

Among those patients, a 10% increased risk of heart attack or death was found in those whose anxiety rose over time. (Source: 2007 study in Journal of the American College of Cardiology)

Among 735 older men (mean age 60), the 15% who were most anxious had a 30% to 40% increased risk of heart attack. The higher the degree of anxiousness, the higher the risk — even when age, blood pressure, cholesterol and other factors were taken into account. (Source: 2008 study in Journal of the American College of Cardiology)

Anger and hostility prompt behavioral changes -- such as smoking, overeating and lack of exercise -- that increase the risk of cardiovascular events. A 19% rise in risk was found among those who were previously healthy, along with a 23% increase in those who already had heart disease. (Source: 2009 study in Journal of the American College of Cardiology)

— Karen Kaplan
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 11:48 AM
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40. 21% of Americans scramble to pay medical, drug bills
21% of Americans scramble to pay medical, drug bills
Updated 3/13/2009 11:01 AM
By Liz Szabo and Julie Appleby, USA TODAY

Denise Prosser, 39, has battled cancer since she was a toddler.

Yet Prosser can't afford her next cancer treatment — a radioactive therapy that she's supposed to receive once a year — because she and her husband lost their jobs in December. Without insurance, she has postponed the radiation indefinitely and is taking only half of her asthma medications — sacrifices that often leave her gasping for air and could allow her cancer to come surging back.

"I can't walk more than 100 feet without sounding like I just ran a marathon," says Prosser, of Galloway, N.J.

Prosser is among millions of Americans who struggled last year to pay for health care or medications, the largest poll ever conducted by Gallup shows.

FIND MORE STORIES IN: Congress | New Jersey | Africa | Mississippi | Hawaii | Medicare | Hispanics | Cancer Society | National Academy of Sciences | Institute of Medicine | Galloway | Prosser | Cancer Action Network | Gallup-Healthways Well-Being Index | Jim Harter
As the economy fell, the percentage who reported having trouble paying for needed health care or medicines during the previous 12 months rose from 18% in January 2008 to 21% in December, according to the poll of 355,334 Americans. Each percentage point change in the full survey represents about 2.2 million people, says Jim Harter, Gallup's chief scientist for well-being and workplace management.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2009-03-10-gallup-medical-bills_N.htm
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 12:06 PM
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42. Oh, and nice plagiarism, dude.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 07:33 PM
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49. Sure they have, but this isn't new. This is the culmination of a really hard effort
on the part of REPUBLICANS, for the past 30 years, from Reagan to the present, to destroy our country by enriching the already-rich and sucking the lifeblood out of everyone else.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 10:48 AM
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32. You don't think that the recession has killed anybody? Think again.
How many of the recently unemployed have also lost their health insurance along with their job? After all, few unemployed workers can afford COBRA. And without access to decent health care, how many of them are dying or will die?
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 07:32 PM
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48. Blame the Repukes - they've worked hard on creating this for 30 years nt
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 07:48 PM
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50. Yes, of course it's their fault. But...
just saying that is not good enough. Regardless of whose fault it is, we have got to work to fix the mess they left us in.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 07:50 PM
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51. Absolutely. What we're seeing is their work and it's landed on our lap like this
All broken. But I hope to God we don't forget who did this and start thinking Obama did it. He's been in two months.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 10:36 PM
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2. Wow. Another false headline. You guys coordinate well.
Edited on Sat Mar-21-09 10:36 PM by BlooInBloo
EDIT: It's funny because you people are the ones who bitch about others' integrity.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 10:40 PM
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3. That's not the correct headline but it is a good column.
yes i know, off with his head.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 10:42 PM
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4. The exact headline is "Has a 'Katrina moment' arrived?"
Edited on Sat Mar-21-09 10:42 PM by brentspeak
I paraphrased it for clarity; that's why I didn't place it in quotes. It means the same exact thing, though.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 10:43 PM
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5. Brent you can't paraphrase in here, or they'll release the hounds.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 10:48 PM
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7. .


;)
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 11:02 PM
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11. Release the hounds of hell! lol
Edited on Sat Mar-21-09 11:03 PM by Sarah Ibarruri
On the other hand, I think Frank Rich should not have used Katrina. (note, now that I'm reading it, I see he didn't really) Anyhow.... what GW Bush did plus decades of bad and unrepaired infrastructure thanks to Repukes, caused SO MANY deaths that I'm still unaware how many actually died. I think they lied about the number.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 10:47 PM
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6. not sure about the title, but good article.
Also not sure that the fact Summers played a big role in making sure the shenanigans WERE legal is much of a secret either, though it is dirty. And he did give Obama credit for some of his rhetoric (though not for the perceived staged outrage) and for saying he took responsiblity, but stressed that this will be a crucial test in making sure his words match his actions.
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 10:56 PM
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9. Katrina had obvious solutions. This many-sided problem not so obvious.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 10:59 PM
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10. 60 days in and he already has a Katrina?
at this rate Obama will not be allowed to govern by anyone. When the left is taking such an unfair shot in what is otherwise a fair piece, I feel sorry for us.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 11:10 PM
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15. yeah
I like the piece and agree with most of it , but the title kind of depresses me. Not sure that I agree with that one, there is probably a better comparison.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 11:03 PM
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12. Obama has been in office TWO MONTHS.
Edited on Sat Mar-21-09 11:08 PM by Avalux
This shit pisses me off. Obama is taking responsibility for the mess and it's true people are calling for Geithner and Summers to be fired. But with the enormity of the mess, rational people will understand there will be missteps and that it will take time.

The transition between administrations was just as the Bush Administration operated - incompetent and secretive. There are MANY people still in key roles in the government who are there for one reason only; sabotage. Keep that in mind too.

I still want to know who would replace Geithner and Summers. Seriously. Criticism is fine but what is the alternative?
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 11:17 PM
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18. It pisses me off too nt
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 11:04 PM
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13. Dear Mr. Rich,
Dear Mr. Rich,

Please know that Hurricane Katrina, where people lost their lives, has nothing in common with our current ongoing financial crisis. President Obama's stimulus package is akin to what Katrina never got. Lives were lost in the Katrina disaster. Here we are talking about money; not the same.

But why don't you ask the hard question, Mr. Rich? Why are people just now becoming outraged? It is the same situation that we were dealing with 6 months ago, and the only thing that has changed is who is in the presidency. Am I supposed to be outraged at this President already? Really?

I voted for hope, and was told that I should be patient because it would take some time to get out of this mess. Now that I am being patient, I'm being ordered to be outraged instead. So which should it be? I walked into the grocery store yesterday and asked a couple of people in line if they were outraged? They looked at me strangely and asked....about what? So I'm starting to think that people aren't so much outraged, as much as they are tired of being told how they should feel by the journalists and the television personalities. I've been outraged a really long time, and now that finally someone has come along that appears to be ready to give me some relief, the educated sort have decided that instead, I'm supposed to be mad as hell. I don't get it. Can't you guys make up your minds?

I voted for Sen. Obama, and considering how ineffective everyone else has been, I think I'll stick to allowing him to do what he has chosen to do, so that I can see if it works or not.

Sen. Obama has many critics, and I'm sure he is used to it. But I wonder how he can get any work done when everyone is second guessing him at every turn. I just asked that if he is to be re-elected or not in 4 years time, let it be based on his decisions. I'm tired of the armchair quarterbacks that don't have to deal with the realities of politics and the unhelpful media who wants to appear as though it has all of the answers. You guys really just don't.

Respectfully
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 11:12 PM
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16. You're as tone deaf as Larry Summers
The greed of the bankers has done to our economy what Hurricane Katrina did to New Orleans and neighboring areas -- created a disaster. Obama's point men for his economic policies -- Geithner and Summers -- have misjudged the depth of the problem. That is why Krugman, Galbraith and now Rich have criticized Obama on handling this banking fiasco. Geithner's plan is not much different than Hank Paulson's.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 11:27 PM
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20. You obviously know that I disagree with you right?
Last time you responded to one of my posts, you called me all kinds of things. Why should I agree with you now?
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 11:31 AM
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35. You and I have never liked each other and it looks like it will stay that way
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 11:19 PM
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19. Wonderfully said! Thank you! nt
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 10:52 AM
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34. The President is supposed to be second-guessed all the time
Edited on Sun Mar-22-09 10:53 AM by TayTay
That is the nature of discussion in a Democracy. This is what was missing in the Bush-Cheney years. A vibrant public political discussion with vigorous dissent is what is needed in this country.

Barack Obama knows this. He understands that the Presidency attracts criticism. He would not have run for the job if he didn't understand that he will be in the crucible of public opinion for the next 4-8 years. He stated, repeatedly, that he did not want to be surrounded by "yes men" because that is what had calcified the last Presidency and helped to put this country into the trouble it is in now.

I do not understand why people on DU don't get this. Offering a different opinion is not disloyal or hoping for the failure of another. It is a symptom of a fully functioning, participatory democracy in which good ideas bubble up from all kinds of sources, inside the official government and outside of it, and should be considered.

For God's sake, Barack Obama ran on this. He specifically said how much he values informed dissent and what it means to the creative, political and intellectual process of forming government policy.

Why does any kind of dissent or criticism set you off so?
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 11:13 PM
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17. It's adorable how predictable you are.
Sooo cute.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 11:28 PM
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21. He's a cutie Patootie.....
in another world.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 11:31 PM
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22. Nah, he's adorable. I could set my watch to him.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 12:12 AM
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24. The problem with this article is that Katrina really ruined Bush. Its too early for Obama to be
ruined as a President. Two months in? Sorry, I don't buy it. Geithner could be gone in a few months or his plan could work for all we know. Everything else is just pure speculation.
The populist anger is also bs. The public focuses on one thing because the media says to. Meanwhile there are so many worse things wrong with the economy then just bonuses.
Obama needs to figure a way out of the economic mess but I hardly think he would feel going on Jay Leno would "fix it". I don't think he is that naive or dumb.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 12:32 AM
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25. hyperbole
Why the FUCK are people in hyper fucking analysis mode - give the fucking guy at least his 100 days before passing judgment.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:11 AM
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26. If they would have waited 100 days before they started handing trillions of our dollars..
to Wall Street crooks, I would have waited 100 days to criticize them for it.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:13 AM
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27. I think you should go for it.
Cause it will make everything work out so much better,
or not.

Your call....just like the rest of us.

Have fun!
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:16 AM
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29. 'katrina moment'?
I should have been clearer in my post, criticism is fine, but it's hyperbole to state that this is the deciding moment in his presidency - surely you can see that this article is over the top.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:23 AM
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28. Whether this is Obama's "Katrina moment" or not,
It's obvious he won't treat it the way Bush treated his -- with incompetence, arrogance, uncaring stupidity and wide-eyed cluelessness all at the same time.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 10:36 AM
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30. Comparing this situation to Katrina is not only stupid, it's
insulting to the people who died and suffered during Hurricane Katrina.

I guess Rich figures if he compares it to Katrina, it will garner alot of attention for his column. He's probably right about that. But the comparision is irresponsible, insulting and wrong.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 10:49 AM
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33. Agreed. It's beyond disgusting. (nt)
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Frank Booth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 12:55 PM
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43. Not to defend Summers or anything,
but does Frank Rich realize that AIG isn't a bank?
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 05:22 PM
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45. This economic disaster is far worse than Katrina.

And we expect some leadership from President Obama. We may know this Tuesday if he has what it takes.


"...As the nation’s anger rose last week, the president took responsibility for what’s happening on his watch — more than he needed to, given the disaster he inherited. But in the credit mess, action must match words. To fall short would be to deliver us into the catastrophic hands of a Republican opposition whose only known economic program is to reject job-creating stimulus spending and root for Obama and, by extension, the country to fail. With all due deference to Ponzi schemers from Madoff to A.I.G., this would be the biggest outrage of them all."


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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 05:30 PM
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46. But
it isn't remotely an apples and apples comparison. Obama inherited this enormous crisis and his working diligently to address the complex and far-reaching problems. Bush ignored warning before the hurricane, saw a crisis developing and responded like a callous asshole. There are other really tragic differences that make the comparison a bit uncalled for.

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Rich should have used another comparison.





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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 05:59 PM
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47. rich is another tick on limbaugh's ass
rich, like many, observe politics in a fantasy land where talk radio is absent.

he, like many, look at this 'populist outrage' as it is steered by the 1000 stations that make up the invisible talk radio monopoly. yes the outrage is real but limbaugh and hannity and sons, with GOP-coordinated UNCONTESTED repetition nationally and locally, have enabled the corporate media to steer it at geithner and obama.



for years commentators unknowingly see the secondary effects of GOP/radio propaganda as popular outrage and don't see the source because it would give them headaches to listen to it.

GOP efforts to obstruct obama would be trivial if they had to rely on TV and print, which are still obligated to present some form of diversity of opinion, even if it is limited.

basically rich is channeling limbaugh and hannity

"What followed was a monologue of evasion that, translated into English, amounted to: Not really, but you little folk needn’t worry about it. " but maybe another analysis would be, "the bush crime family ripped off the country and we're still trying to figure it out" or 'the vault door was open when we got here"
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 02:48 AM
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52. Bush did nothing when katrina hit; he had a chance to act but didn't; from then on, he was finished
even rethugs realized he had failed to act and thereby demonstrated his incompetence

Rich is warning that Obama runs the risk of losing control of his ability to take charge now also

the populist anger is real; folks taking bus tours of aig execs' homes is just amazing....it's not manufactured by the media; rather it's real and palpable and growing stronger

it runs the risk of derailing all of O's future plans, including the necessary Stimulus plan, part two, as well as the upcoming bank solution, which will cost many, many billions more

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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 10:51 AM
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53. wahhhh.. wahhh... wahhhhhh....
here you go;
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