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masuki bance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 07:13 PM
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This is what we get- Chavez: Obama seems to lack knowledge on region
Edited on Sat Mar-21-09 07:20 PM by masuki bance
Associated Press
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said President Barack Obama doesn't seem to know much about what's going on in Latin America.

Chavez made the remark in clips of an interview with Al-Jazeera shown late Friday, also saying Brazil's president came away from his recent talks with Obama not entirely pleased.

"What I read between the lines," Chavez said, is that "Obama has for now _ and that can be overcome _ a great lack of knowledge about what's really going on here" in Latin America.

The Venezuelan leader also said he thinks Obama "is still reading the same garbage the advisers pass on to him." He told the pan-Arab TV channel that Obama seems to be taking advice from many of the same officials who worked under former President George Bush.


Despite tensions with the U.S., Chavez has at times expressed hope of better relations with Obama.

Chavez said Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva "didn't leave very pleased with Obama's response" during their March 14 meeting in Washington. Chavez had given Silva a green light to discuss Venezuela with Obama.

In Brazil, the presidential press office said it would not immediately comment on Chavez's remarks.

Calls to U.S. Embassy spokesperson in Caracas were not immediately returned.

Venezuela's socialist president is due to attend a summit in Trinidad next month where Obama will also be among the leaders.





When Obama's own supporters make the same claims about Obama's team, why should we be surprised when others start to echo the criticisms?


edit to fix link, thanks.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 07:16 PM
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1. I would like to read what President Chavez said in the original
Edited on Sat Mar-21-09 07:16 PM by EFerrari
because I don't trust AP.

ETA: The link seems to be broken.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 07:32 PM
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6. This link should work & it doesn't seem to be the AP but an Australian outlet?
Edited on Sat Mar-21-09 07:34 PM by EFerrari
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LittleBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 07:18 PM
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2. You're right. Chavez = terrorist
People who criticize Obama = anti-American = terrorist?

Yes, let's correlate Venezuelan criticism with DU critics. :rofl:

I get it; over the next x years, we're going to hear about how every world leader's criticism is made possible by us. Sound like someone you know?
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Kdillard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 07:23 PM
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3. Interesting I wonder what he feels Obama is misinformed about in regards to the region.
Edited on Sat Mar-21-09 07:39 PM by Kdillard
Exactly what answers were the Brazilian President hoping for at the meeting. I hope Chavez isn't under the impression that Obama is a pushover or that they see eye to eye in their worldview.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 07:25 PM
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4. Ughh, who the fuck cares?
Obama disagrees politically with a lot of things Chavez does and vice versa. Yet he's still going to sell us oil and we're still going to buy it. We will still be a major player in world affairs and Venezuela will still be a relatively minor one.

This "Chavez Boogeyman" game that the US media plays is beyond irritating.
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espiral Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 02:52 AM
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9. re:
"Venezuela will still be a relatively minor one"

Don't count on it.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 03:06 AM
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11. Compared to the United States, Venezuela has virtually no power over world affairs
If they really wanted to stand up to the United States he would get serious about cutting off the oil. But everybody knows that it's an empty threat because Venezuela can't survive without us buying their oil. When Chavez actually puts his money where his mouth is, I will take him seriously. Right now he's just another world leader in line with 100's of others who disagree with US foreign policy.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 07:29 PM
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5. Oh look. It's his friend, Che(ap) G(onad).
What the "man" said and what he did were two grossly different things.

Chavez is playing politics of the lowest sort. Can't imagine from whom he learned it...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 07:35 PM
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7. You don't even know what he said. Your knees must be constantly sore.
lol
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espiral Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 02:52 AM
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10. re:
Yet more hatred of a good and valorous man. What *is* it with this place?
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 02:39 AM
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8. I agree with Chavez on both points, that, a) Obama has very bad advisers on Latin America, and
b) that the holdover Bushwhacks are causing trouble, probably deliberately.

And I'm sorry to hear that Lula da Silva didn't get through to Obama, or not as much as he would like to have done--because it is very, very, VERY important that Obama understand that leftist leaders like Chavez and Morales in Bolivia are mainstream in their countries (60% to 70% approval ratings) and are respected by and closely allied with the center-left leaders like Lulu. "Divide and conquer" will not work, and, if the worst happens, that Rumsfeld* instigates the war he had all planned, as a private corporate resource war, and whether or not he is able to draw U.S. forces in, the U.S. will lose, and the result will be a permanent breach between the northern and southern halves of this hemisphere; but, even short of the worst, to continue the Bushwhack policy of hostility, psyops, propaganda and aggression against the leftist tide that has swept South America, and is moving into Central America, is to create the vast majority of the people of the Latin America as "the enemy." Nothing good will come it.

Chavez is not talking through his hat. I've been following events in South America for a long time, and was paying particular attention to U.S. presidential candidate statements on this subject, and to Obama's transition period, to the present. And what I have seen are wildly mixed signals. During Obama's inauguration week, somebody set up an Obama interview with Univision (a rightwing 'news' monopoly in South America), and handed him a script, which he followed, that accused Chavez of "supporting terrorism" and of being "bad for the progress of the region." The script could have been written by Rumsfeld himself, or by the Miami mafia. Talk about starting off on the wrong foot! It couldn't have been more abrasive or false. (Chavez reacted. He said that "it smells of Bush"--and it surely did.)

During the same period (leading up to the national vote on term limits in Venezuela--circa Jan. '09), the rightwing opposition in Venezuela was caught returning from a meeting with a Bushwhack diplomat in Puerto Rico, where they were soliciting $2 million for the campaign to defeat the proposal to lift term limits. (Accepting foreign money for a political campaign is illegal in Venezuela, as it is here.) Then someone with common sense and knowledge of the facts on Venezuela became a spokesperson at the State Dept. and, when asked about the Venezuelan initiative, said that Venezuela is a democracy, with honest, fair elections, and the initiative was an internal matter (i.e., none of our business).

Then the next week, the Bushwhacks--who still preside at the embassy in Colombia, and in the high position of Asst. Sec of State for the western hemisphere--were back at it, creating holes for Obama to fall into, when he attends the Summit of the Americas, in a few weeks.

The context for all this is the Bushwhack attempted coup in Bolivia, this last September--funded and organized right out of the U.S. embassy. The coup failed, and the primary reason for its failure was the strong and unanimous action of the new South American common market, UNASUR, in backing Evo Morales' government. One result of that Bushwhack coup effort was that both Bolivia and Venezuela threw the U.S. ambassadors out of their countries.

Further context: a year ago (early 2008), the Bushwhacks tried to start a war between Colombia and Ecuador/Venezuela, and were also rebuffed and defeated in that effort. And the lies, psyops and propaganda--so intense against Chavez, and also against Evo Morales of Bolivia and Rafael Correa of Ecuador, that they approach pre-war levels--have also utterly failed to make the slightest dent in any of those leaders' popularity, which remain in the 70% range; nor has any of this relentless propaganda succeeded in pushing these and other leftist and center-leftist leaders away from each other. It has only solidified them. That is the new reality in South America, and increasingly in Central America.

"Divide and conquer" is useless. It didn't work for eight years--even during the rocky period of the U.S.-Bushwhack-supported rightwing coup in Venezuela in 2002. Since that time, numerous new leftist governments have been elected, and they have only grown closer, stronger and more adamantly and solidly opposed to U.S. meddling and aggression. "Divide and conquer" is even less likely to work now. It is the wrong thing to do.

And this is what Chavez is referring to--the obvious mixed signals, the confusion, the bad advice, and the continuing influence of Bushwhack embassy, State Dept. and--no doubt--CIA and military officials.

It has been obvious to me that Obama has been otherwise occupied, and that Latin America has been on the "back-burner." That is understandable, given what he was faced with in his first two months in office: the Bushwhack Financial 9/11 and its consequences, and two on-going wars. But he should NOT underestimate the trouble that these Bushwhacks can make for him, and he should purge them from their positions immediately.

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*(The first hint of Rumsfeld's war plan for regaining global corporate predator control of Venezuela's and Ecuador's oil, and Bolivia's gas and oil, occurred on Dec 1, 2007, when Rumsfeld (by then, 'retired') published an op-ed in the Washington Post, entitled, "The Smart Way to Defeat Tyrants Like Chavez," in which he urged "swift action" by the U.S. in support of "friends and allies" in South America. Since the Bushwhacks had almost no "friends and allies" in South America, he more than likely meant fascist groups planning coups within countries with leftist governments, and specifically those with big oil reserves: Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia.

(This op-ed was soon followed by the Bushwhack effort to instigate a war between Colombia and Venezuela/Ecuador. They were largely defeated in this purpose by Chavez--whom Lula da Silva called "the great peacemaker," for his efforts to stop that war. Rumsfeld's op-ed was later followed by the Bushwhack-instigated coup attempt in Bolivia, where the outline of Rumsfeld's plan became clear: fascist groups in the oil-rich provinces declare their "independence" from the leftist national government, and proceed with riots, killings and other destabilization, in order to split off the oil rich provinces into a fascist mini-state in control of the resources.

(Rafael Correa, president of Ecuador, stated that this was a coordinated, three-country Bush strategy--to instigate secessionist civil wars in Venezuela, Ecuador and Bolivia. And there is other evidence for such a strategy. In Bolivia, it was the eastern provinces, adjacent to Paraguay, where the Bushwhacks probably thought they had a safe, right-wing controlled route for troops and other support into Bolivia--but Paraguay meanwhile elected a leftist president. In Venezuela, it is the oil-rich northern province of Zulia, on the Caribbean coast, adjacent to Colombia ($6 BILLION in Bushwhack military aid). The Bushwhacks reconstituted the U.S. 4th Fleet (mothballed since WW II) to harry this section of Venezuela's coast. In Ecuador, it is also the oil-rich northern region, adjacent to Colombia. There is evidence of fascist coup plotters and secessionists in all three places.

(These three countries and their many allies have great reason to detest Bushwhack policy, and to hope for and work for a policy of mutual respect and cooperation, based on facts and truth, not on evil intentions to steal other peoples' oil, to kill for that purpose and to oppress and enslave the people of Latin America, which the U.S. has a very long history of doing.)

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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:57 AM
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12. Thanks. nt
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