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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 04:05 PM Original message |
Molly Ivins warned us about the repeal of Glass-Steagall in 1999. Yes, Phil Gramm's responsible. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
1. Why didn't the greatest political communicator of a generation lead a battle to fight Gramm on |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Bill Clinton and his economic team were FOR it, that's why. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 04:20 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. The head of Obama's team was for it, too |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 05:45 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Yup. The GOP led the effort, but boy did the Democrats go along. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Sure he regrets it...did Bush2 and 9-11 make him regret deepsixing BCCI? No. |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 08:05 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. I guess the question is how Gramm's bill got put into a giant Omnibus bill. |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:33 AM Response to Reply #10 |
34. The final version of the bill passed by the Senate 90-8 and by the House 362-57 |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 10:16 AM Response to Reply #34 |
39. For the overall bill FOR their Dem pres - you know Bill didn't lead a battle against Gramm measure |
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Baby Snooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 03:56 PM Response to Reply #34 |
63. He still signed it.... |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 10:35 AM Response to Reply #4 |
42. The elected officials who are as smart as Molly are a minority in our party. |
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FailureToCommunicate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:20 AM Response to Reply #3 |
27. Bill had little choice: By 1999 there was an veto proof Republican majority in |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:35 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Bush would've challenged a Dem majority in a full court press against a bill he didn't want. |
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FailureToCommunicate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 10:25 AM Response to Reply #30 |
41. Hindsight is 20/20 on this bill ruining Western Civilization. There was so little |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 10:44 AM Response to Reply #41 |
46. So, Bill never led a Dem capitulation to deregulation in the 90s, but, if he did it was only because |
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TayTay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:52 AM Response to Reply #27 |
32. So you are saying this bill was signed because |
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FailureToCommunicate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 10:15 AM Response to Reply #32 |
38. I certainly DO NOT think it was "morally responsible behavior" by Clinton, but |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 10:20 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. That Republican majority existed because Bill deepsixed BCCI matters that should've exposed GOP |
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FailureToCommunicate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 10:41 AM Response to Reply #40 |
45. Say what? BCCI? BCCI was liquidated in 1991 before Clinton was President. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 10:56 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Yes, you're missing something. Kerry's Dec1992 BCCI report had a list of outstanding matters |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 11:12 AM Response to Reply #47 |
51. well played.. |
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FailureToCommunicate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. "less informed" perhaps, but hardly "ill-informed" |
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FailureToCommunicate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:02 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. Fine. Thanks for taking the time to help us understand the history a little better. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:37 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. Not really anyone's fault - corpmedia certainly never allowed public to understand the import of |
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FailureToCommunicate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 01:15 PM Response to Reply #47 |
59. Thanks for the link. Jaw dropping, indeed. Anyone done a book or...? on this subject? |
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kaygore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #3 |
56. Clinton was the best Republican president of the 2nd half of the 20th Century |
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tooko13 (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 03:57 PM Response to Reply #56 |
64. Correct!!! |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 03:27 PM Response to Reply #56 |
68. Gore never gets the credit on that - I remember clearly that he streamlined government |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
2. I miss Molly Ivins |
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mikekohr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 06:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. Molly was/is one of America's unsung heroes |
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blue neen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 09:30 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. . |
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davidwparker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
5. Rec'd for Molly's insight and yet another example of Clinton selling us down |
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FailureToCommunicate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:21 AM Response to Reply #5 |
28. See post #27... above |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:38 AM Response to Reply #28 |
35. 20/20 hindsight |
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moundsview (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
6. There was a guy here last year that kept pointing this out |
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wroberts189 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
7. please forgive my language but fck'n KNR nt |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
8. Oh now THERE'S a surprise. (not). Gramm is another one of those dirtbags whose hand.. |
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Bennyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 06:44 PM Response to Original message |
12. I miss Molly..... |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
13. Bill Clinton signed the repeal, and Molly was right (as usual). |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
15. Man Molly nailed it |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
17. Error: You've already recommended that thread |
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blue neen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
18. Perhaps Jon Stewart could have Phil Gramm on as a guest on his show. |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:12 AM Response to Reply #18 |
26. I'd love to see a horde chase Gramm into a closet like they did Jeb. |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-18-09 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
19. If ever you could say that one person was responsible for this mess, It's Gramm |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 06:35 AM Response to Original message |
20. K&R! We loved Molly! |
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nomaco-10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 06:59 AM Response to Original message |
21. Here's a great article from motherjones exposing Gramm... |
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whathappened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:28 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. scams |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:48 AM Response to Reply #21 |
31. Thanks for the link. A must read. |
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disndat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 10:35 AM Response to Reply #21 |
43. I hope Sen Charles Schumer |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 03:42 PM Response to Reply #43 |
60. I would not vote for Schumer in a one man race... |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:49 AM Response to Original message |
23. Elizabeth Warren just spoke about the importance of Glass-Steagall on Morning Joe... |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 06:30 PM Response to Reply #23 |
66. Me, too. Warren was great! Obama mentioned her specifically yesterday at the Costa Mesa townhall. |
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1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:55 AM Response to Original message |
24. This is the root of the evil of this problem - The bonuses are a symptom of this disease of greed! |
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carlos3k (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:02 AM Response to Original message |
25. I (heart) Molly |
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BlueJac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 08:23 AM Response to Original message |
29. Bill and his shills helped! |
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WarhammerTwo (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
33. Can't Congress... |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 09:54 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Stocks and bondage |
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WarhammerTwo (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 10:00 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Now that's a great idea! |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
44. "Nobody could have seen this coming"! |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 10:58 AM Response to Reply #44 |
48. You obviously don't understand bankruptcy is for those who are not 'too big to fail.' |
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bluescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
49. I miss Molly so much |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
50. A PBS Frontline G/S Timeline |
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FailureToCommunicate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:15 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Great link, thanks! |
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sallylou666 (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
57. Molly warned us about everything |
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ihavenobias (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
58. K & R. Does anyone know how Molly's awesome criticisms were handled at the time? |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 03:44 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. The MSM did what it always does with unpleasant truth...IGNORED IT. Marginalized the speaker. |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
62. Molly Ivins was brilliant, witty, insightful and she is sorely missed, every single day. |
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antimatter98 (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
65. Clinton signed the bill and Larry Summers as Treasury Sec., loved it. |
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sohndrsmith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 07:01 PM Response to Original message |
67. more on this, (and AIG-FP based in CT, fwiw): |
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