how about a middle ground between fawning and bashing?

[Enrique]

I know people object to those terms. The people who are fawning say, why am I not allowed to support Obama? The people who are bashing some democrat say, why am I not allowed to criticize dems?

Well, I think it's extremely important to support dems, and at the same time just as important to criticize them when they do bad things. Just not take either too far.

What does "too far" mean? It's a judgment call, but I think there are clear examples where people take ordinary, even bad, things that Obama does and turn them into "genius" or a "smackdown" of republicans. And examples of people taking ordinary, even good, things, things that Obama was praised for, but which get turned into "caving" or "cowardice" when someone else does them.

The alternative I am suggesting is that when something is evaluated, that it be evaluated based on thought and not on some unrealistic ad hominem basis, either good or bad.

[JeffR]

1. "evaluated based on thought and not on some unrealistic ad hominem basis"

I think you're trying to shut down GDP completely with this sort of crazy concept.
;-)

[Xipe Totec]

8. ROFL!

:rofl:

[Number23]

2. I'm with ya, man! I'm a Fasher and proud of it!

Or is it a Bawner??

I'll love when I have something to love and I'll hate when I have something to hate. So far, I've seen very little to hate and much to love from that man in the White House.

[Enrique]

9. yours might be better

I was going to call us Fashists. :hi:

[Eryemil]

25. Remember kids, bawner rhymes with boner!

[jkshaw]

3. Perhaps we could drop the whole damn subject?

[Cha]

32. There ya go~ Besides I have seen anyone

"fawn"..so there.

[ZombieHorde]

4. Moderation is for jerks.

[Enrique]

5. what about honesty?

suppose someone trashes Harry Reid for doing something and praises Obama to the heavens for doing the same thing.

Am I a jerk for objecting to this?

[ZombieHorde]

13. Honesty is for unwashed bank robbers.

[dalaigh lllama]

29. OT. That picture totally cracked me up

:rofl:

[The Brethren]

6. I think for myself regarding politics.

I agree or disagree with any politician regardless of their party based on my judgment on them and their actions. Regardless which party a politician belongs to once they enter office they took an oath to protect our country and our constitution.....and to do their job. That is what I expect from them.




The Stimulus Plan ("American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009"): Orig. House version -- http://appropriations.house.gov/pdf/RecoveryBill01-15-09.pdf , House spreadsheet -- http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pV-c6t5fOVmNorqMpHvnCMw ; Senate version -- http://appropriations.senate.gov/News/2009_02_02_The_American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act_of_2009.pdf ; and Senate compromise -- http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-1 , Text and $$$ details of Senate compromise -- http://appropriations.senate.gov/News/2009_02_08_UPDATED_Appropriations_Provisions_of_American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act.pdf?CFID=4043629&CFTOKEN=40573040 in addition to -- http://readthestimulus.org/amdth1.pdf ; along with -- http://www.readthestimulus.org/ .

[BlooInBloo]

7. Bullshit false equivalence. No point in reading anything else you say.

[Enrique]

10. wow strong reaction

and rude, and undeserved.

[BlooInBloo]

12. Improvement. You went 2 for 3 on that last one. Keep going!

[kwenu]

11. How about we just let folks post the thread that they want and we can participate however we want?

[ZombieHorde]

15. "just let folks post the thread that they want"

Even if the thread is called; "how about a middle ground between fawning and bashing?"?

[kwenu]

16. Yes! Exactly!

[FrenchieCat]

14. How about we understand that this ain't just any President?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5062106&mesg_id=5062106

[ZombieHorde]

18. You're right...

He is the current President, which is the most important President of all.

[angee_is_mad]

20. WOW

WOW

[PurityOfEssence]

21. How does racism against Obama justify trampling anyone who questions his actions?

Does he get a blank check because of this? Worse still, do you contend that any disagreement with any of his actions is some kind of latent racism? What is the point of citing this other thread of yours? Is this a cry to rally people or justify unquestioned, complete support across the board?

What's this got to do with ANYTHING?

Is bigotry against him from some other subculture somewhere else a justification to clamp down and reign supreme HERE?

What's this got to do with the habit some people have of crushing anyone who questions ANY of his actions?

[FLyellowdog]

17. I prefer fawning with some rules applied.

http://www.sonic.net/dana/fawns/wild.html

[Marrah_G]

19. Most people are in the middle ground

A few cannot find the middle ground if you dug a whole in it and buried them there.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

22. seems like we have all go too much time on our hands

waste of time talking about it

[sampsonblk]

23. Reasonable dissent is good, fawning is unwise in any form (nt)

[Blue_Tires]

24. bash the fawning and fawn over the bashing

Détente

[Two Americas]

26. what is wrong with both?

Let the fawners fawn - no problem.

Let the critics express their views - no problem.

The only problem I ever had with the fawners (your word - I think admiration for Obama is fine and can be constructive) is when they attack critics and dissenters, not for what they are saying but rather with insinuations of disloyalty or worse because they are expressing anything other than fawning. Were it happening the other way around, I would defend the fawners.

As for the critics, I sometimes agree, and sometimes disagree, depending upon the specifics of the argument. It is not all or nothing - for or against Obama.

[enigmatic]

27. I really enjoy your posts, TA

Just want to let you know:)

[Two Americas]

31. thanks enigmatic

I really appreciate you taking the time to say that.

[olegramps]

28. I don't know about fawning but I do know that Obama needs our dedicated support.

If President Obama has any chance of correcting the disastrous condition that the Republicans have left the in county in, he must have our dedicated unqualified support. Every attempt by the Republicans to discredit him must be met with unified opposition. If he has to compromise to met his objectives, so be it. I pledge that he will have my support. There is no doubt that we are in danger of being overwhelmed by the magnitude of the gross malfeasance and corruption that the Republicans are direct responsible for bring on the nation.

It is sad that at this time in my life that I have actually grown to despise so many of my fellow Americans. The Republicans no longer represent a voice of moderation and caution, but represent the most outrageous degrees of extremism. They have embraced the most radical elements of our society ranging from out right religious fanatics and radio propagandists spewing messages of hatred to a cadre of the most greedy thieving bastards that the nation has ever known. They even surpass the Robber Barons in their greed. Make no mistake, the Republicans are absolutely accountable for this near hopeless situation that has not only affected our nation, but the entire world.

If we are to have any hope of righting the ship, then Obama requires our dedicated support. The Republicans are drowning in the cesspool they have created and will take down the country with them if we allow it. They are desperate and have struck out against President Obama with a viciousness that has little parallel. The are so consumed with hatred and greed that they have shown that they are willing to destroy the Republic. Their refusal to support the necessary stimulus legislation upon which the very continuance of the nation depends makes them traitors. They believe that the millions that they have stolen will insulate them from the catastrophe that they have wrought.

A new age may very well be emerging in which they may well be held accountable. If the situation becomes desperate enough and the people enraged by the greed of crooks that have ripped off the working class an economic revolution could be in the making. The people may very well demand passage of legislation that will raise taxes on the wealthy to levels of 90 percent or more and inheritance taxes that will confiscate their ill gotten billions. It may indeed become a death tax. The death of the moneyed aristocracy that the Founding Fathers of the nation feared could replace the old aristocracy of privilege by birth. It is entirely possible that this may transpire if the situation doesn't improve. If it comes to this just make sure that when these bastards drown that you are standing on their heads pushing them under.

[AtomicKitten]

30. How about DU'ers stop trying to qualify what others think, eh? n/t