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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 05:51 PM
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If the Green Party was the major opposition party in the USA.......
Dems in power of 3 branches with the Green Party in major opposition - wouldn't that be interesting!

No GOP.

How do you picture that world?
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vinylsolution Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:07 PM
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1. That would be one way of dragging....
.... the DC Dems back over to the left, where most of the American people are.

Imagine Green, instead of Greed.


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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:12 PM
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3. You honestly believe that most (50% + 1) of American people are to the left?
That may be wishful thinking, but I don't see it as reality.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:25 PM
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4. It depends upon what you mean by "left".
yes and no.

It depends upon the issues.

Do most people want to keep our troops in Iraq?

Do most people want to see a major build-up and occupation of Afghanistan?

Do most people want national healthcare coverage or would they prefer to pay ALL medical bills out of any cash they have set aside?

Do most people think the Wall Street banksters and corporate tycoons have done a fantastic job and should continue running the economy?

Do most people think they make to much money?

Do most people think working people should have a right to organize labor unions?

Do most people think that people who have been laid-off should get assistance from the government?

Do most people think the social security should be eliminated?

On these and many more issues a majority of people are to the left and not right-wingnuts.



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vinylsolution Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:27 PM
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6. Absolutely!
When asked, most people do support policies like universal healthcare, an end to an economy based on war, fair taxation, and the reining-in of corporate power.

All of these are Progressive values.

Sadly, most people are brainwashed by the corporate media into believing they (and America) are somehow 'Conservative'.




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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 07:09 PM
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14. Just because people may have some progressive values, it does not make them Progressives.
I'll take the DU stance of unless you have a link or proof of some kind, it is just your opinion.
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damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:09 PM
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2. OMG, I'd be a fascist!
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:27 PM
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5. It would rain chocolate
Magic beans would be accepted as currency.
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alsame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:32 PM
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7. It would be nice to have an opposition party that didn't
hate the American people.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:33 PM
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8. I had a similar thought--what would happen if Obama just let GOP implode instead of giving it CPR?
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damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:50 PM
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12. He's HELPING it implode itself.
Edited on Tue Feb-10-09 06:50 PM by damonm
See the editorial in today's Daily Kos:

From the very beginning of his administration, less than three weeks ago, Obama has known that he has a commanding majority in the House of Representatives. In the House all that is required to prevail is a simple majority, so Obama has always known that he would be able to pass some version of a stimulus through the House. Barack Obama made a great display of reaching across the aisle to persuade House Republicans to climb aboard and support a bill that Obama already knew he could pass without a single Republican vote. Why would Barack Obama do such a thing?

The mainstream media bit and bit hard. If Barack Obama was pursuing those Republican votes, then it must be that he needed those votes somehow--though certainly not to pass the stimulus, he just needed them somehow, and the Republican Party was winning some kind of major victory by withholding from Obama votes that he seemed to want for some reason.

Or perhaps something very different happened. Perhaps Barack Obama set a trap for the Republicans, a trap they fell for with startling gullibility.

My evidence for this? Remember, I don't believe in honeymoons or mandates: either you can do something or you can't--and it is already well-established that Barack Obama had the votes in the House of Representatives to pass a version of the stimulus bill without a single Republican vote. So why didn't Obama simply have Nancy Pelosi quickly pass the stimulus and move on to persuding the Senate? Why did Barack Obama visit Capitol Hill and bring dozens of cameras and put the Republican leadership in the spotlight? Why invite to cocktails and put the Republican leadership in the spotlight? Why throw a Superbowl party and put Republican leadership in the spotlight? Why has Barack Obama worked so diligently to put the Republican leadership in the spotlight and on the record?


Full thing at http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/2/9/93530/64491/480/695142
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:57 PM
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13. Then a more populist party might emerge
Which is precisely why the Dems and M$M are helping to breathe life back into the Repub party.

Unfortunately.
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GinaMaria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:34 PM
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9. I see that as a possible future
but, the CONS will not just disappear. They will likely migrate to the Democratic Party because it will be the only way they can get elected and move the party farther right. The progressives may split off as a result. Just one potential possibility. We're seeing signs of that strain on DU right now. I hope we can hold it together, but if DU is a microcosm....
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 12:19 AM
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18. The cons would just become Dems like you said.
And progressives will have less power in their own smaller party. Center/Right vs. Left. Not good.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:35 PM
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10. That's what would happen if we instituted UHC. The RW would disappear.
The center would shift leftward.
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vinylsolution Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:39 PM
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11. Wouldn't it be a lot more fun....
.... to see Cynthia McKinney on Meet The Press, or the Larry King thing?

Instead of the usual parade of fascists and their enablers...




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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 09:49 PM
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15. I believe that world is inevitable. I look forward to it. n/t
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 11:55 PM
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16. maybe this market crash may be a way of 'cleansing' the system?
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 12:15 AM
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17. The Republican Party has been captured by its own, insane rhetoric.
David Michael Green makes a very good argument that the Republican Party is doomed because its constituents will not let it behave in any sane manner that might actually save the party.

Full essay here: http://www.regressiveantidote.net/Articles/What_To_Do_When_Your_Party_Sucks.html

:dem:

-Laelth
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