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my2sense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 03:47 PM
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Rahm Emanuel talks to Carville, Stephanopoulos & Begala daily
Edited on Tue Jan-27-09 03:47 PM by my2sense
(The Politico) The conversations don’t begin with hello. They don’t end with goodbye. Most often they pick up with a low, drawling voice uttering something between a sentence and a grunt.

“Wahzgoanawn?”

For those not accustomed to hearing James Carville when he is trying to enunciate more clearly for television, that translates to: “What’s going on?”

So begins another morning in what may count as Washington’s longest-running conversation - a street-corner bull session between four old friends who suddenly find themselves standing once more at the busiest intersection of politics and media in Washington.

Carville calls White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel.

Emanuel calls ABC News Chief Washington Correspondent George Stephanopoulos.

A bit later, CNN commentator Paul Begala, who is not quite the early bird that his friends are, will complete the circle with a rapid set of calls to all three.

Different versions of this round-robin chatter have been taking place, with few interruptions, every workday for nearly a generation.

“I refer to it as the 17-year-long conference call,” said Emanuel, who starts calling his friends at 6 a.m. “You can tap into it anytime you want.”

Everyone likes to deride the “conventional wisdom.” In fairness, though, the wisdom is not yet conventional at the moment it is hatched.

And in any given news cycle, it is quite likely that Washington’s prevailing political and media interpretation - at least on the Democratic side - is being hatched on these calls.

The process happens not by design but as the byproduct of pre-dawn badinage - a smart-set take on the world that gets amplified by the prominent platforms all of them hold and by the dozens of later calls and lunches and rants that they will carry on with others throughout the day.

In that sense, the morning calls - no single one of which usually lasts more than a few minutes - among this gang of four is the headwaters of at least one major tributary of Washington politics.

Under other circumstances, the morning calls between Emanuel, Carville, Stephanopoulos and Begala - pollster Stan Greenberg is another frequent member of the core group, a kind of “fifth Beatle” - might be a Society of Has-Beens, reliving ancient glories from the Little Rock “War Room.”

It was Emanuel’s ascension into Barack Obama’s inner circle - even as Carville and Begala remained closely linked with the defeated Clinton political machine - that saved the group from irrelevance.

The calls “are about what’s happening, what the implications are of what’s happening and what’s going on,” said Emanuel.

Mary Matalin, who as Carville’s wife has overheard probably thousands of the group’s calls, describes the conversation as more profane, more sports-centric versions of a knitting club.

“They talk like they are girls,” she said. “The conversations start in the middle and they end in the middle, and if they talk at night, they’ll start in the morning with no break in the flow.”

“To me, the first purpose is friendship,” said Matalin, “and the second purpose is information-sharing.”

According to Begala, the expectation of a daily call is so great that Emanuel will sometimes call him and shout impatiently, “I can’t talk right now!” and then hang up.

While the rapid succession of conversations creates the effect of a single conference call, that is not actually the case. Carville described himself as an antediluvian who does not do e-mail or own a BlackBerry and has been on only a few actual conference calls.

But he said he has come to rely on the calls as his daily fixture.

When one of the callers is traveling, he says, his reaction is, “Where's my coffee, where’s my glasses ... Goddamn, where you been?”

Begala offers the most academic interpretation of the calls and their daily survey of political news.

Emanuel is the most likely to be talking policy, usually some program Democrats can use to score points in the daily partisan brawl with Republicans.

Begala’s own interest, as a former speechwriter, is in rhetoric - what is likely to be the sound bite that will echo through the news cycle.

Carville is the wild card, “a genius,” in Begala’s view, “who can look at the same operative facts as everyone else and come to a different conclusion.”

Stephanopoulos’ role is as the analyst and the skeptic. “George is really a big-systems thinker,” Begala said. “As a journalist, he is half of a political scientist, and because he’s not in the partisan battles anymore, he sees things differently.”

It is a sensitive point for Stephanopoulos, who shot to fame as a Bill Clinton retainer and has worked hard to fashion a reputation as an independent journalist.

He said he does not surrender that role when he gets on the calls, nor does he surrender personal feelings that go back nearly 20 years.

“We are all good friends,” he said. “We just like talking to each other, and I learn a lot from it ... and that’s why we have been doing it for so long.”

Still, the line between journalism and politics is not always bright. Begala said he often can’t remember the originator of any particular insight: “We talk so much - was this my idea that James changed, or was this George’s observation that Rahm tweaked?”

Al Hunt, the Washington bureau chief for Bloomberg News, said he talks with Carville almost every day - one of a roster of Washington reporters in that category. There is no parallel, he said, to a group of friends who has remained so central to the daily shaping of Washington conversation as these Clinton-era comrades.

Many of the Reaganites, he said, could not stand each other while in office and had little interest in daily chats once out. None of Jimmy Carter’s gang remained influential. Nor did many of George H.W. Bush’s aides - even once another Bush returned to Washington.

“These people had nothing to do with the mix, the conversation, the chatter, what have you, of what was going on with W.,” said Hunt.

One reason the conversations are interesting, said Hunt, is that, between them, there is rarely more than one degree of separation from virtually any subject in the news. Emanuel, in addition to his White House role, made a fortune in investment banking and has a brother who is a top Hollywood agent. Stephanopoulos moves in top media circles. So do Begala and Carville, both of whom appear on CNN and know numerous actors and writers.

“You can’t think of many bases you don’t cover,” said Hunt. “Maybe morticians?”

Even so, there have been times - actually several of them over the years - when all four faced reversals of fortune. In 1993, a skeptical Hillary Clinton nearly succeeded in throwing Emanuel out of Bill Clinton’s White House, and did succeed for a season in sharply reducing his influence. After the disastrous 1994 elections, Begala, Carville and Stephanopoulos watched with dismay as consultant Dick Morris brushed them aside for control of the 1996 reelection campaign. Once out of the White House, Stephanopoulos for a time struggled to put his imprint on ABC’s “This Week,” though it is now on a ratings upswing and, since the death of NBC’s Tim Russert, is bidding for top-dog status among the Sunday shows.

Amid these ups and downs, the core group on the morning calls has seen three of them get married (only Begala was in 1991) and had 11 children among them.

So when Emanuel was deciding whether to leave his Chicago congressional seat - he had hoped to someday be the first Jewish speaker of the House - to become Obama’s chief of staff, he said he turned for advice to the same group of three friends he has been consulting for years.

“It’s a testament to the power of friendship in a place that really does run on relationships,” said Dee Dee Myers, who worked with all four members of the daily call in the 1992 campaign. “In such a fickle town, they know the phone always rings.”
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 03:49 PM
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1. Fuck Politico!
Aside from that, you've exceeded Copyright laws that DU admin wants followed,
and you've neglected to provide the link.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 03:49 PM
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2. Good. Smart people share. nt
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 03:49 PM
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3. I would NEVER trust anyone who sleeps with Mary Matalin.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 06:33 PM
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32. +1
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 03:50 PM
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4. This is fine. People will make friends and such, but you know what,
when people talk about elites covering for each other and acting in ways that are in conflict with their professions or the public interest, this is Exhibit A in proving that there is a two-tier system in the US. Just saying...
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 04:10 PM
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5. I hope Emanuel will respect the President's confidence
Stephanopoulis didn't hold Clinton's confidences. I'm surprised that he's still friends with the rest of them. One time when he interviewed Pres. Clinton he mentioned how uncomfortable they both were.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 04:11 PM
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6. Doubt it. This relationship is troubling
They all have big mouths.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 04:20 PM
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7. They do have big mouths
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 12:37 AM
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40. Steph wrote a book....in 1999
http://www.businessweek.com/1999/99_13/b3622087.htm

http://articles.latimes.com/1999/mar/12/news/mn-16480

Carville, Rahm, and Begala undermined a good man who helped our party get the White House back.

They did it deliberately and with malice.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1360

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/838

Those four have every right to talk to each other every day, but I trust none of them. If they are the new face of the party then we are screwed in 2010 and maybe 2012.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 04:25 PM
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8. I remember
Edited on Tue Jan-27-09 04:28 PM by ErinBerin84
reading in Stephanopoulos's memoir (I only read it because it suddenly appeared in my house, I swear. It must have been a gift from someone, though I'm not sure who it was from or for) that he talked to Rahm and Carville after he left the whitehouse, and they had a rule never to talk about Whitehouse stuff....I hope Rahm keeps a tight lip. But ew, Carville and Mary Matalin. I was hoping Carville would be irrelevent. Wasn't he moving to New Orleans and retiring, or was that just a dream I had?
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 04:28 PM
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9. The Politico needs to go on the unreliable source list.
I am convinced they are a right wing rag; out to make Obama look bad.
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my2sense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 05:50 PM
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24. The story is running on Huffington Post as well
apparently their source is Politico. Sorry, didn't know it was not a good source.
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 04:37 PM
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10. Fucking DLC!
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 04:41 PM
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11. I opened the same thread in the General Discussion forum
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 04:45 PM
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12. "You can’t think of many bases you don’t cover," said Hunt. "Maybe morticians?"

And every other interest outside of politics, banking and the media.

No Manufacturing
No Labor
No Farming
No Retail
No Housing
No....

But none of that is really important. Just politics, banking and the media.


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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 04:52 PM
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13. What's the outrage about????????
Several guys who met through politics maintain a friendship of many years and talk to each other regularly.

So??????????

:shrug:
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 05:06 PM
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14. Many Clinton Democrats see Steph as a Judas.

Anti-DLCers don't like the other three. And people worry that Emmanuel will leak.

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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 05:34 PM
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18. Well, maybe people should learn a lesson from these 4.
One can have friends who we may differ with politically (even though they are all Dems). Some folks here are too inflexible. Imagine if among their daily talks they had included some conservative guys. DU would just explode from the sheer outrage!!!!

:crazy:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 12:42 AM
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41. Look up Steph's book from 1999
He hurt the Clintons with the book. All Too Human.

He could do the same to Obama.

The other three, Rahm, Carville, and Begala all despise any grassroots ever connected with Dean.

That makes me an outsider in the party I worked for 5 years.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 05:11 PM
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15. I think it's cool. They have their own mobile think tank.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 05:30 PM
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17. So did I.
That's why I posted it on GD. It's interesting to see how these people have managed to maintain a friendship despite the different paths that they have taken since the Clinton years.

:-)
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Shiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 05:41 PM
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22. I was thinking the same exact thing
These guys are such good friends, they can just pick up where the conversation left off hours or even days earlier. Seriously, how is that not cool? I wish I had such close friends.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 05:45 PM
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23. I know.
Sometimes I think that people here live in a parallel world. Normal people maintain friendships of years. Politics may have thrown them together, but friendship is what keeps them united.

;)
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Shiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 05:50 PM
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25. Yeah
The people here see only the politics. Some things just transcend work...
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 05:57 PM
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26. Exactly!!!
Edited on Tue Jan-27-09 05:57 PM by Beacool
I have friends of all political persuasions, from conservatives to some who are very close to being communists. What unites us has nothing to do with politics (I also have my political friends from Hillary's campaign and other campaigns).

;-)
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Shiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 06:07 PM
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28. Same here!
One of my best friends in college was so far right on some things it was almost scary, and my other best friend was slightly to the left of Karl Marx. Yet the three of us got along great - mostly because we decided to never discuss politics unless we were drunk.

I hung around with both because they were simply great people to hang around with - funny, smart, easy to get along with, all that jazz. Plus the far left girl was really cute (dated her for a bit, had a lot of fun, decided friendship with *ahem* occaissonal benefits - her idea - was more preferable, not really important.) We all still talk on occasion, but we are, unfortunately, no longer as close as we used to be.

But I have this feeling that if we all happened to run into each other one day, nothing will have changed. ;)
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 06:13 PM
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29. Exactly!!!
I have friends who I never talk politics with (including those who supported Obama during the primaries, LOL). The same way I have cultured friends with whom I go to the opera and others with whom I go to sporting events. Respect and tolerance is the key, these people enrich my life and I hope that in some small way I enrich theirs.

;-)
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Shiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 06:19 PM
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30. We are so on the same page
The same page of the same book, only a paragraph away (I supported Obama :P ). I would totally hang out with you. :D
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 06:35 PM
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33. Me too.
Let me clarify that with the Obama folks, I meant we didn't talk politics during the primaries. Now we talk politics as long as no one attacks the others' fav. candidate.

:hi:
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 05:35 PM
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19. Yup. And with Rahm "Don't fucking fuck with me, motherfucker" Emanuel, I'm just not worried.
I think it's good to have an ongoing conversation, especially with these four people. Emanuel has not ever, EVER been known for violating confidences, and I don't think anybody doubts how seriously he takes his job.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 05:29 PM
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16. The latter three are like cockroaches who will never stop fouling everything
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 05:36 PM
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20. Rahm is a smart guy
despite this evidence to the contrary. :rofl:
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 05:40 PM
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21. I don't see this as a positive "just a coupla guys talkin" thing..
Matalin was right on the inside with the neo-cons and the Office of Special Plans in the Pentagon.. Stephanopolis is a pusher of RW frames... Begala has been such a weak kneed Dem for so long he is damn near ineffectual.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 12:06 AM
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37. It is not a positive, you are right. It's the inner circle shutting folks out.
And they should be careful with Georgie S.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 06:00 PM
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27. There's a hysterical account of an Emanuel/Carville cell phone conversation in "The Thumpin'"
Imagine the two of the screaming at each other...
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 06:31 PM
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31. I would pay to hear those two arguing.
Their personalities are so overblown. They probably would first almost kill each other and then say WTF and go out drinking.

:7
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GreatCaesarsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 08:06 PM
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34. the sixth Beatle
dick cheney probably got a daily report from the NSA
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 08:14 PM
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35. he he "The gang of four"


that's hilarious. I have to say though, I like all those folks, and better them giving advice than the creeps that have run DC for the last 8 years.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 12:05 AM
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36. This really is not okay. Rahm is chief of staff.
Now I can see why so many of us are on the outside of the party now.

If Rahm is the new party hero along with Carville and Begala...then they do not need me to be active.

They have it all under control. Some of you here need to read up on Georgie S and the Clintons.

Those guys are why Dean is lacking in a place in party leadership....they took care of it.

They don't need us...they have their little circle.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 05:29 PM
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53. wow. rahm is making the decision, not obama? thats disappointing. nt
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camera obscura Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 12:06 AM
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38. Not surprising and not particularly encouraging either.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 12:07 AM
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39. Here's the link
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 01:40 AM
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42. The Problem Here Is The Blabbing Carville Does To Matalin
In 2004 when Kerry decided to contest Ohio, as soon as he found out, Carville got on the phone to her. She, at the WH at the time, immediately told Cheney who told Rove and *. They immediately got onto Blackwell and told him to 'handle' it. I certainly hope Obama's plans are not being overheard by, or told to, Matalin.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 01:54 AM
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43. True. Also a problem....3 of the 4 musketeers were involved
in getting Dean out of the party leadership. Carville said he should be fired, included Rahm in his efforts which were aired on CNN. Begala called Dean a VT a**hole, and said he hired nosepickers.

If these are the 3 who talk daily and fill the ear of the president, then we are in trouble.

Obama is better than they are.

Rahm belittled Dean as a Vermonter, ridiculed him for being from that state.

His pumped up ego will hurt our party.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 10:25 AM
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45. When did they get rid of Dean?
He appears to have stepped down of his own volition.

:eyes:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 10:37 AM
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47. they didn't. Some people just need someone to blame
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 11:45 AM
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48. I figured as much............
:eyes:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 01:16 PM
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50. I don't NEED to blame, I just do it because it is true and hurts us.
He is not a person who cares anything about the party, just his own glory.

I don't NEED someone to blame....I blame them because they are doing what they should not be doing.

They should not be talking on the phone with Matalin listening in...with George S. on the call. That is just plain wrong, and if you defend it you are putting your blinders on.

Carville implicates Rahm and Clintons

Flush with victory after the election, Rahm’s allies, led by Carville, try to mount a coup at the DNC by publicly attacking Dean and suggesting he be replaced by Harold Ford, a Tennessee moderate who just lost a Senate race. “You can’t go into 2008 having a party chairman that is completely disconnected from the congressional leadership and the campaign committees,” Carville tells me, further pounding the wedge that divides the Deaniacs and the Clintonites. When I ask if Rahm agrees, Carville says, “It’s not any secret that Rahm has expressed disdain for Dean and not very secret that Rahm and I are close. It doesn’t take a lot of dot-connecting here.”

What about the Clintons, who, given Hillary’s presidential ambitions, have more cause for concern about who runs the DNC in 2008? “Let’s just say nobody has called me telling me this is a bad idea. Sometimes silence is eloquence.” Not only did Carville’s coup fail but it arguably strengthened Dean, who, speaking before his state-party allies, mocked the attempt as a desperate attack from the “old Democratic Party.” Cutting his losses, Rahm quickly leaked word to the press that he and Dean had negotiated a truce.


Rahm detested Dean and never missed a chance to ridicule him. This is from the book called The Thumpin which was written with Rahm's full knowledge and consent and which was timed to come out to give Rahm all the glory for the 2006 win.

Rahm ridicules Dean, Vermont, and activists

When Emanuel and Sen. Charles Schumer of New York met with Dean to ask him to shift money to congressional races, Emanuel mocked the former Vermont governor as a political lightweight from a tiny, rural, homogenous state. "No disrespect, but some of us are arrogant enough, we come from Chicago, we think we know what it means to knock on a door," Bendavid quotes Emanuel as telling Dean. Emanuel "slammed his hand on the table," then continued his tirade: "Look, Chuck comes from Brooklyn. I come from Chicago. It ain't Burlington, Vermont. Now, we understand that Burlington knows a lot about grassroots politics and we know nothing. I know your field plan -- it doesn't exist. I've gone around the country with these races. I've seen your people. There's no plan, Howard."


Grand slam insult to all.

Rahm may be able to "get things done"....but he's a damn poor choice for the face of our party. It is inexcusable for him to be letting Carville, Begala and Steph in on everyday WH business. And especially Matalin.




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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 02:15 PM
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51. you've never explained how "attacking" (criticizing) Dean equated to a "coup" attempt
:shrug:

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 01:01 PM
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49. He did step down on his own. But he wanted to remain on the national scene.
He said so publicly several times. Instead he was not even invited to the introduction of the new chair in name only at the DNC building. It is further believed and firmly believed by his DNC supporters that he was also asked NOT to be there.

Starting in 2006 right after we won...Carville said Dean should be replaced. He told untruths about Dean that were totally debunked by the blogosphere. However since Carville was on TV like a big shot he was believed. Carville called Dean incompetent...and not a single Democrat on the national scene came to his defense. Wouldn't have been proper for them to defend an outsider...after all we won..didn't we?

Carville also implicated Rahm and the Clintons as being involved in the series of attack on Dean right after we won.

Carville implicates Rahm and Clintons

Flush with victory after the election, Rahm’s allies, led by Carville, try to mount a coup at the DNC by publicly attacking Dean and suggesting he be replaced by Harold Ford, a Tennessee moderate who just lost a Senate race. “You can’t go into 2008 having a party chairman that is completely disconnected from the congressional leadership and the campaign committees,” Carville tells me, further pounding the wedge that divides the Deaniacs and the Clintonites. When I ask if Rahm agrees, Carville says, “It’s not any secret that Rahm has expressed disdain for Dean and not very secret that Rahm and I are close. It doesn’t take a lot of dot-connecting here.”

What about the Clintons, who, given Hillary’s presidential ambitions, have more cause for concern about who runs the DNC in 2008? “Let’s just say nobody has called me telling me this is a bad idea. Sometimes silence is eloquence.” Not only did Carville’s coup fail but it arguably strengthened Dean, who, speaking before his state-party allies, mocked the attempt as a desperate attack from the “old Democratic Party.” Cutting his losses, Rahm quickly leaked word to the press that he and Dean had negotiated a truce.


Rahm detested Dean and never missed a chance to ridicule him. This is from the book called The Thumpin which was written with Rahm's full knowledge and consent and which was timed to come out to give Rahm all the glory for the 2006 win.

Rahm ridicules Dean, Vermont, and activists

When Emanuel and Sen. Charles Schumer of New York met with Dean to ask him to shift money to congressional races, Emanuel mocked the former Vermont governor as a political lightweight from a tiny, rural, homogenous state. "No disrespect, but some of us are arrogant enough, we come from Chicago, we think we know what it means to knock on a door," Bendavid quotes Emanuel as telling Dean. Emanuel "slammed his hand on the table," then continued his tirade: "Look, Chuck comes from Brooklyn. I come from Chicago. It ain't Burlington, Vermont. Now, we understand that Burlington knows a lot about grassroots politics and we know nothing. I know your field plan -- it doesn't exist. I've gone around the country with these races. I've seen your people. There's no plan, Howard."


Grand slam insult to all.

Rahm may be able to "get things done"....but he's a damn poor choice for the face of our party. It is inexcusable for him to be letting Carville, Begala and Steph in on everyday WH business.

I detest the man, and the more I see of him the less I will be inclined to donate any more money to the party.

There is nothing you and I can say that we will agree on about this little man who detests so many people because he is superior.

He was part of the Clinton WH, he is talking daily with others from the Clinton WH...plus one who wrote a book about Clinton called All Too Human.

If Obama is after unity and getting along, Rahm was not the man to do it. It is a slam at way too many in our own party.



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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 02:00 AM
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44. oh barf....I thought we'd be rid of these assholes. They sound like frat boys.
:puke:

And yes, Stepholocus is a f'in backstabbing rat and Carville blabs absolutely everything to that evil harpie he sleeps with.

Rahm needs to raise himself to the office to which he has been appointed. I won't hold my breath.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 10:36 AM
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46. ...
James 'Egg Stealer' Carville leaks secrets to his bad ladywife, Mary Matalin.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 05:27 PM
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52. OH MY GOD... ex-clinton aides & appointees talk to each other!
such awful people. bet they are talking about eating babies.

dingoes.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 05:46 PM
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54. I am wary of their agenda. (nt)
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