before retiring, I just like to say that I absolutely DESPISE . . .

[OneBlueSky]

this presidential campaign and everything about it . . . ridiculous sideshow issues are displacing issues that SHOULD be discussed; somehow Bush is running on a record that SHOULD, in a rational world, get him 0% of the vote; Kerry can't seem to find his footing and his message remains garbled and not targeting many of Bush's weakest areas; the media is obviously trying their damnedest to suppress anything Kerry does say and give Bush a free pass; and about half the country is stupid and uninformed enough to express their intention to vote for Bush despite it being totally contrary to their best interests . . . not to mention the fact that he either LIHOPed or MIHOPed the events of 9/11 (and every day I tend more to MIHOP) . . .

my personal inclination for the past couple of days has been to just sit this out and let the chips fall because:

if Kerry can't beat Bush, with all his vulnerabilities, he certainly doesn't deserve to be president;

if Kerry does beat Bush (in the legitimate vote), he'll likely lose anyhow due to Bush's control of the voting apparatus; and

if Bush is given another four years by the American people, they deserve what they're undoubtedly going to get . . . unfortunately, the rest of us are going to get it too . . .

yes, I'm frustrated as hell and ranting in ways that I'll regret tomorrow . . . but I'm tired, I'm pissed off, I hate George Bush and all he stands for, and my gut is telling me that he's going to steal this election come hell or high water . . . good night . . .

[dave123williams]

1. Do what you CAN do. You MUST VOTE.

It's always darkest before the dawn. We're going to WIN this fucking thing.

[jsw_81]

2. That's exactly how I feel

[UNION.JACK]

3. Would I be correct in assuming

If Nader pulls in 3 to 5 percent of the vote Kerry would be justified in crying rape, It would hand the election to Bush on a silver platter?

[abrock]

5. Nader won't pull 3-5% even if he is revealed to be Jesus Christ himself

[dammit905]

7. Actually...

(AP) Washington D.C. - Ralph Nader Argues That He Is The Living Christ.

http://www.yahoo.com/news/ralphchristsuperstar.html

[abrock]

16. Ah, but it isn't proven. (meaning the media has not embraced the idea)

[ayane-chan]

4. Repug attack machine

If Kerry can't beat Bush, your really can't blame him because he's trying his best against the corporate repug attackers and the biased media and the corrupt judges and everything.

I agree, I don't see how so many people can be duped into voting against their best interests. Look at like the Log Cabin Republicans (logcabin.org). Hello? Hmm, lets see, if I were gay, I would want to vote for a bunch of homophobes and nazis who will make the Mathew Shephard incident look like a walk on the beach.

I'm getting depressed...

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[VOX]

18. "I'm sick of posts..."

You just got here!!!!

[chimp chump]

22. How about PinkPistols?

Here's some very liberal gays who love their guns.

http://www.pinkpistols.org

No one's going to bash or murder these guys without a fight. They'll gun 'em down. The bashers will quit as soon as a few of them get shot.

[IndianaGreen]

6. The campaign is incoherent, and it is not Kerry's entire fault

Skinner posted a press release from the Kerry campaign the other day in which Kerry challenged Cheney to admit that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 as Colin Powell had stated on Meet the Press on Sunday.

Do you follow me so far? Good!

The House Democrats voted overwhelmingly for a GOP sponsored resolution that linked Iraq to 9/11.

Both events happened within the same week!

How can you have a coherent message when the Congressional Democrats are at odds with what Kerry says, and Kerry is at odds with what that idiot McCauliff is saying?

Karl Rove is not some evil genius, as many Democrats have convinced themselves he is. Instead, Rove is a good campaign manager that knows how to orchestrate a disciplined message from the candidate and his surrogates. You will never see the GOP pull the rug from Bush as the Congressional Democrats did to Kerry on the Iraq-9/11 thingy.

[Bread and Circus]

20. Exactly, well said. Frankly I am more mad at the Democratic

Party more than anything.

The GOP is just being its greedy, nasty self. Whatdaya expect?

However, the whole Democratic Party is in dysfunctional disarray ran by a bunch of idiots - Both in Washington and at the local level where I live.

Ineffectual and impotent.

[deutsey]

23. It's this kind of bullshit that you describe that

has made me leave the Democratic Party. I'm voting for Kerry, but as a lifelong Democrat, I have to say that since 2000 I have become increasingly embarrassed by and angered at this Party and now consider myself a progressive Independent.

[the Kelly Gang]

9. how can anyone get the message out with a biased media ?..give

Kerry some credit just for going up against Bush..that's the bravest and hardest thing he's done so far..my only hope is that if Bush is re-elected enough of these young Republicans get drafted and find out what it'a all about

[Seabiscuit]

10. Can you please explain to me MIHOP and LIPHOP?

What do those acronyms stand for, and in what context?

I've seen them countless times and haven't had the courage to admit I have no idea what they mean until now. Perhaps because I agree with so many of your posts, I'm making a personal request to you to help me out here.

[IndianaGreen]

12. LIHOP = Let it happen on purpose (such as 9/11)

MIHOP is the other variant on LIHOP, made it happen on purpose.

[Seabiscuit]

14. Thanks. Makes sense.

Unless no one's spelled it out for you before. :)

[Seabiscuit]

15. So in your humble opinion, was Bush's involvement in 9/11

MIHOP or LIHOP?

IMHO, it was MIHOP.

[IndianaGreen]

17. I lean towards the LIHOP

Michael Moore's documentary is devastating!

[Seabiscuit]

25. On second thought, you're right.

LIHOP. Bush couldn't *make* it happen, but after viewing Moore's Farenheit 911, there's absolutely no doubt in my mind that 9/11 was a case of LIHOP. It's also consistent with the PNAC's position papers calling for the need for a catastrophic domestic "Pearl Harbor" event in order to garner public support for their obsession to invade Iraq and begin taking over the Middle East militarily. Bush and his PNAC'ers who run him and his administration knew OBL had it all planned, and had tons of warnings that it would happen very close to when it did happen, and did absolutely nothing to prevent it. They let it happen on purpose.

[BushOutNow]

11. go negative!

Ah, my sentiments exactly. It is a frustrating election and Kerry's campaign is adding to the frustration. We need to play dirty, get negative, I know Democrats are afraid of that, but it works!

[izzie]

13. I will vote for Kerry. I like a President that thinks.

I do think Bush is telling people what they wish to hear. He will save the world and it is so much easier to believe than the truth. If his voters can not face the Vietnam lose how do you think they will face the one we are in now? I just do not understand why people think any of these countries would act any other way. Wouldn't they fight back if a country came here and took over?

[chimp chump]

19. Get over it

What whiny and depressing crap. I feel sorry for you. Wait, no, I don't. I feel sorry for anyone who read this drivel.

Venting your depression or rage over the vicissitudes of a very dynamic race against an incumbent president isn't attractive. It doesn't help you win any new voters. It doesn't help you be more calm and attractive and more persuasive when you go door-to-door. It doesn't help you attract new and positive workers for your campaign. It makes you feel like a loser which can make you a loser. And it makes you stressed out which can harm your own health.

There is way too much wailing and whining here. Otherwise interesting threads start to sound like they require psychiatric advice, not political commentary. And quite often, whining simply hides a sheer lack of anything useful or constructive to say or do.

Get out and take a walk. Forget the election for a day. When you get your attitude corrected, then go back to work for your candidate.

Stop this annoying whining. It's a nasty habit that must be deliberately broken if you are to be happy and successful in anything you do.

[missouri dem]

21. It's up to us.

I agree 100%. I am sick of the doom and gloom. When I get mad or depressed I go out and walk another block for the party. If Kerry is not elected it will be OUR fault for not working hard enough. We have less than 50 days to take back our country and now is not the time for whining and crying. Buck up and get to work and we will win this election.

[newyawker99]

24. Hi missouri dem!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast: